Mini 645 - Innocence Falls (Game Over)

[nureins]

I've no idea qwhat the vote count is anymore, but I'm pretty sure no one's at L-1

Far away from L-1 (if i remember well, it is L-3).

The good news I guess is that your voting movement "reduces" the list to 3 since given my understanding of the game, Goat is going to move to Ythill.

For my voting patterns, I could move to pacman if I perceive that Ythill is in risk, (or more likely, as a final movement if it is clear nobody else can be lynched). I perceive him as a noisy signal, and therefore Ill not doubt to do it...

And my second suspect (simenon, for those who dont remember) is totally out of the game, but well, seems he is not a suspect for anyone...

[Ectomancer]

vote Darox

[kuribo]

I've no idea qwhat the vote count is anymore, but I'm pretty sure no one's at L-1

Far away from L-1 (if i remember well, it is L-3).

The good news I guess is that your voting movement "reduces" the list to 3 since given my understanding of the game, Goat is going to move to Ythill.

For my voting patterns, I could move to pacman if I perceive that Ythill is in risk, (or more likely, as a final movement if it is clear nobody else can be lynched). I perceive him as a noisy signal, and therefore Ill not doubt to do it...

If everyone in this town played like this and just followed the leader, we'd be stretching Day 1 out to over 30 pages.


O WAIT

[nureins]

vote Darox

you are a pain in my (our) ass

Jahudo and Cass have discarded Darox because they thought not a consensus vote, and you vote him now haha. Counting jah and cass and pacman's mild fos on darox, this would make him to be in 5 votes...I cant understand all of you, dancing around.

Kuribo is in part correct, some of you are terrible haha. But I have a question for him. Who the hell is the leader ??

[sirdanilot]

Nureins, I meant my FoS as something to enforce how scummy Pacman's post was. It isn't a half vote or something. And even if it was, I can vote whoever I so please.

Now, it looks like votes are building up on Pacman. In my opinion, Ythill is still the better play for the town but I'm curious to see where the bandwagon goes.

And nureins, you're not the only one suspecting Simenon, he's somewhere on my scum list too (but not at the top).

[Ythill]

Obviously not me, since sirdan isn't swinging.

I've stated a willingness to compromise because I agree that we need to end this day, but I'm keeping my vote where it belongs until a lynch is within reach elsewhere. You know, in the vain hope that others read my case and vote with me.

[Ythill]

Er... cross posted. My first statement was in response to nuriens.

[Jahudo]

Just for reference here's the doppelganger posts. Darox: What if someone is still on the fence with nureins? How does an unsubstantiated claim move this game along? How does it get people to talk about nureins for instance, instead of the claim itself, when it isn't lined out?

The other people I found scummy were nureins and Cass. Cass mostly for the way she pursued Simenon, and nureins because I think he is scummy.

nuriens, look at the way you and Cass teamed up against Simenon for very poor reasons. A lot of what I see in those posts seems evident of a scumpair pushing a wagon. The way Cass jumped off looked like she realized it was a lost cause and tried to get you to get off too.

For the record I'm still ok with a sirdan-scum lynch if we're doing the concensus thing, but Darox looks like the continuation of anti-town Karne to me from these posts.

[nureins]

Obviously not me, since sirdan isn't swinging.
Er... cross posted. My first statement was in response to nuriens.

I perfectly saw it. Your voting behavior is more than coherent with the view I am getting from you. Then right now I (almost) truly believe you are townie, and I am more than happy to defend you at this stage. If a bandwagon is over you, I not only promise to switch my vote to lynch any other one (pacman or darox) but also promise a significant post to defend you...

[Goatrevolt]

I seriously am lost in the midst of vote compromises, insane number of replacements, and large walls of text. I'd like to do a player by player reread, and will start today.

[Ythill]

@Jah: Such cross-replacement behavior indicates distancing or assisted buddying, but working with three unconfirmed alignments is more problematic than two. It pains me to see such a good chance to verify your catch, yet be so certain that sirdan is scum. Good catch though. I'll consider it.

Speaking of buddying...

@nuriens: I'm touched. Really. What was your purpose in taking such a friendly stance?

[Darox]

I thought Jah was townish, right up until he said suspecting Cass was anti town.

OMGUS by proxy?

Please explain how suspecting Cass is an anti town action, thanks.

[Jahudo]

Please explain how suspecting Cass is an anti town action, thanks.

I said Karne was anti-town. He made that statement about nureins/Cass buddying and after we asked him things about it he ignored it, but he continued to post on other stuff until he was replaced.

I don't have a read on your actions but I'd like to know if your suspicion on nureins/Cass vs. Simenon can tell us anything new that hasn't been said or unsaid before.

[Darox]

The posts you quoted showed me suspecting Cass for attacking Simenon, and of Karne suspecting nureins & Cass for attacking Simenon.

The only difference in those quotes is that Karne suspects both Cass and Karne as a team, where as I do not.

So, the only similarity between the two is we both think Cass is scummy for her attacks on Simenon, which means logically since you think I am continuing Karne's anti town actions, you think suspecting Cass is anti town.

If this is not the case, why on earth did you post those two quotes.

[Jahudo]

The other people I found scummy were nureins and Cass. Cass mostly for the way she pursued Simenon, and nureins because I think he is scummy.

Ok so the second sentence does not explain why nureins, but since he also pursued Simenon I can only wonder if his "way" there was indicative of scum behavior. Is this accurate, or was he towny in that situation?

And as to 'suspecting Cass is anti town', I'm mainly trying to find out why only some of the people who attacked Simenon back then looked scummy. I'm pretty sure I had a role in it, but that was so long ago it was written on stone tablets.

[nureins]

@nuriens: I'm touched. Really. What was your purpose in taking such a friendly stance?

I usually answer the posts containing my name. If you direct your words to me and I find your attitude townie, what do you want me to say ? something negative not to appear as buddying ? I dont do such things...buddying is a different thing for me. I was just stating my personal impression over what you commented/inquired me.

And defending you could take me hours, given your playstyle, so I just announced it, and hopefully I dont need to do it haha (this is a joke, but I found it adequate. my serious answer is the first paragraph)

[sirdanilot]

Nureins, assuming someone is town is very bad, even worse than assuming someone is scum. Why would you defend Ythill? Can't he defend himself? Seriously, stop talking for other players and tell them what they can and can't do.

Also, where's Simenon and nhat?

[nureins]

Nureins, assuming someone is town is very bad, even worse than assuming someone is scum. Why would you defend Ythill? Can't he defend himself?

I have not ASSUMED anything. I found Ythill's exercise on Pacman adequate to clarify positions. And if Ythill is seriously bandwagoned, I am going to write a similar defense for him, since I think he is MOST LIKELY townie. I find very natural and clarifying that this can be done precisely by me, the one to whom he directed his first aggressive attack (even if you cannot remember this attack, it has been very funny how you forgot to comment about it and focused on ythill mild attack on jahudo...).

And yes, he can defend also, and I doubt he is seriously bandwagoned, so hopefully I have not to write a long post...

Seriously, stop talking for other players and tell them what they can and can't do.

I just said what I was going to do, not what ppl could or couldnt do.
Precisely, it is you who is telling me what I can do.

[kuribo]

The more nureins agrees with Ythill's defense of pacman, the less I agree with it.

I don't have a read on your actions but I'd like to know if your suspicion on nureins/Cass vs. Simenon can tell us anything new that hasn't been said or unsaid before.

THIRTY TWO FREAKING PAGES FOR ONE DAY. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SAID, UNSAID, AND RE-SAID A DOZEN TIMES.

[kuribo]

I also don't like nureins' buddying up:

And if Ythill is seriously bandwagoned, I am going to write a similar defense for him, since I think he is MOST LIKELY townie. I find very natural and clarifying that this can be done precisely by me, the one to whom he directed his first aggressive attack

Sounds to me like you're saying, "Look, I'll defend Ythill even though he suspected me, that totally means I can't possibly be scum!"

[kuribo]

Oh, and I once lost a game because I assumed Ythill was town. Just so you know.

[nureins]

The more nureins agrees with Ythill's defense of pacman, the less I agree with it.

I agree with Ythill's way of defending. I am not as enthusiastic about pacman as Ythill. I already stated that from the 4 of them I would only do efforts to save Ythill...and I used Ythill's defence as an example of what I announced (about which Sirdan "instructed" me not to do)...

[nureins]

I also don't like nureins' buddying up:

"Look, I'll defend Ythill even though he suspected me, that totally means I can't possibly be scum!"

No, it means:

"look how ythill method is consistent along the game"
"look how it is precisely me, one who fought with his aggressive style, now understands why is not something scummy, maybe not the best way to scumhunt, but nothing scummy"
"look how sirdan has avoided this debate all the time and tried to defend himself by saying that ythill attack was so dramatic and aggressive and blablabla, and then he was unprotected...(really melodramatic)"

It is nothing related to my scumness, but about my knowledge in his way of scumhunting. The bandwagon on him is mostly based in this aspect...

[nureins]

Oh, and I once lost a game because I assumed Ythill was town. Just so you know.

I havent lost any game because I havent finished any. But I could add, in an imaginary way:

"I once lost a game because I didnt notice how two persons shared a false language".

Please, read my post in response to Sirdan. I havent assumed anything...

[kuribo]

Oh, and I once lost a game because I assumed Ythill was town. Just so you know.

I havent lost any game because I havent finished any. But I could add, in an imaginary way:

"I once lost a game because I didnt notice how two persons shared a false language".

Please, read my post in response to Sirdan. I havent assumed anything...

I didn't say you're assuming Ythill to be town, I'm more putting it out as a general warning that he comes across as pro-town even when he's scum. He's a good player on both sides of the field.