Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[Untrod Tripod]

Votecount 7.1

Gamma Emerald
Gypyx
midwaybear
No Yeet - 1 (Gamma)
SirCakez
Something_Smart
Zaiden

Not Voting - 5 (Gypyx, midwaybear, SirCakez, Something_Smart, Zaiden)

Deadline is March 22nd at 5PM EST. With 6 alive it's 4 to ask someone politely to leave.

[SirCakez]

potshots?

I have been making comments about Cakez pushing miselims for the past few days. That's probably unhelpful, but what seems scummy to me is that Cakez doesn't seem to really care that he just drove two green flips. I would expect more paranoia, nervousness, and less confidence from him.

I am all of these things and honestly I have no idea where to go next because I was sure it was Maria or Murder. That's why I need to do a real review.
I think I need to go back looking at Zaiden and Gypyx

[midwaybear]

Fair.
Can Gypyx, Gamma, and Cakez please claim their inventories?

[Gypyx]

you sure we should claim that?

[midwaybear]

No, but I think it might be useful.

[Gypyx]

hmm

it would maybe help to know who to vend to yeah

cuz idk, doubt i'm getting killed yeah

need to think about that when not tired

[midwaybear]

stop stalling bruh

[Gypyx]

what is there even to stall dude, it's just 3 in the morning and i don't wanna do stuff i'll regret

[midwaybear]

WHy do you think you will regret it? What is the downside?

[Gypyx]

scum knowing who to kill

[midwaybear]

scum knowing who to kill

You are a POE player, so it is fine if scum kill you?

[Gypyx]

idk, like, i think i'm kinda outside of it?

correct me if i'm wrong

[midwaybear]

Your towncase didn't do much for me, so yeah...
I think your assessment is wrong.

[Gypyx]

ah well, idk, no one bothered to tell me that i'm stupid so ya know, thought y'all just kinda agreed

[Gypyx]

anyways, got Harken / Rio Grande

[midwaybear]

I don't think you are stupid. Thanks for telling me your inventory.
The plan is basically to have all the POE players claim inventories, so we can figure out a way to distribute fruit among them. I don't think it is smart to distribute fruit to townreads like Zaiden and I because maf are able to kill a obvtown and PR in one shot.
I need to take a look at SS again before moving forward.
@Gypyx It would be helpful if you explained what made you townread me (from two days ago).

would like to remind that i pushed MT and also was pretty consistently feeling average about pooky, which is like, idk, a super hyper risky plan given that SB was getting pushed?

Can you give some specific quotes where you did these? I'll follow up once you find them. Also, are there any other interactions with flipped scum or individual moments where you think it would be hard/impossible to fake as scum for you?

[SirCakez]

I'm asking ut about my inventory because i have no idea tbh and can't be are to sort through my pms

[SirCakez]

Who are the "poe players" midway?

[midwaybear]

Who are the "poe players" midway?

For me, it is you, Gamma, and Gypyx.
I have Zaiden comfortably as town, and I will re-evaluate SS later. I want to try and keep a healthy balance with paranoia since we have a 5:1 distribution.

[Gypyx]

Spoiler:

hello, best town player of the earth here, let's catch some red PMs

I like this opening post :3

man we're on page 11, opening are like 2019, everyone forgot about them

and also that i don't have anywhere else to go tbh lol

lolwut

no one pinging me basically

random though but scum prob has an item theif

i kinda like how gypyx is pointing out similar things as me, i've noticed it more than once now. for "lhf" slots, i think jake is a lot worse deserving of the criticisms

i have played, so so many games with noraa now, so id at least like to thin ki have an above random shot at it

@morning, can you link me some games/citations? i'll definitely look closer at your arguments and things if i can see those!

oh am i?

does anyone TR the teddy bear?

Read the game and look up for reads on him yourself

that would require actual effort though


ughhhh fine

Okay so for Mr.Pooky P. Pookster

basically, i find that pooky's focus on kanna is more likely to come from scum, as he just goes around claiming that kanna is obvtown cuz relations, which isn't that strong of a reason from an outside PoV, and yet, even with such a tr on her, i don't see any posts where he actually tries to cooperate or anything (sorry if that's actually not the case)

plus he's not being very pushy, which is relatively fine on it's own but it's too the point of over friendliness, which might just be how he is now that i think about it

basically feels like he's just stalling around trying to avoid making waves and getting the town onto him

Scum Pooky was very much laid-back and not controlling in TENET recently. He seems to be playing to that meta here.

because the entire game state was being controlled by Cabd and LLD so I had no need to take control at any point except D1 when I kind of did it for lulz.

and you kind of know this since you were in the scum discord with us that I was deferring to cabd pretty much the entire game so kinda mis-reppy for you to use that to meta me here?

by the way, you're dodging the more interesting question here, why would you do that as town?

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Gypyx that is the most chaotic wall ive ever seen, i like it though and i think that you're right to drop suspicions on "Late RVS vote" and "self-metaing"

my paranoiad ass feels like this is pocketing, could you develop on why you like the self meta part?

btw Mr.Pooks, can you answer the concerns i had about you?

would like you to answer everything, but that's part of me worries ye

ok you can ask the other questions and I'll answer them.

I've played a lot of games since I've come back from a decade long hiatus,

My playstyle is not the same as it used to be, I've more or less been experimenting.

I've try-harded and taken over towngames and forced wins when it looked very bad and I've slacked and lost.

Two of the town!games I've tried insanely hard in were: Chara's Folly and Micro 960.

Both of them ended in town losses where I got mis-elimmed - both of them are largely my fault for taking over when I should not have and causing things to be worse for everyone else involved.

Two games that recently finished - College Basketball Players and Temple of Legends, I was town and I took a much more relaxed and carefree approach to the game.

In both games I did not push a single mis-elim through - I deferred to people that I respected. We lost one and won one. On reflection I think I probably could've won CBP Mini if I had taken over the game state and forced out the last scum - but I don't think it would've been enjoyable for me or her to play in such a manner.

I am happier to do less because this game sometimes has too many egos. It's about working together to solve a problem, not being the loudest voice in the room and insisting that you absolutely have to be right.

I'm not saying that way is definitely a high win-rate than my old style but I feel it is definitely more enjoyable for me.

Tenet for example as you know was really a problem for the town because too many town-side players had strong opinions and were not really listening to each other - that led to the scum being able to take advantage and town cohesion never actually happened.

ok fair

check the rest of the post i pointed out for questions but basically, why'd you not work with kanna when she was conftown to u

admittedly, spring breeze's claim looks towny in a vacuum

the issue is that i struggle to see the town intent behind hard softing a PR, knowing full well that it could give mafia information based on the way people reacted to it, only to retract the soft and claim a vanilla-esque role

it seems anti-town at best

i will say that my confidence in a SB scum world got shook a little bit, but i just dont understand how anybody playing from a town mindset would make that kind of play

like this first line:

"townie in a vacuum" is saying its townie, but only without the other things

then you go into "townie intent" but what's the scum intent?

Why can't she just be frustrated with the game state and being screamed at and just wanted people to give her some space to gather her thoughts?

anti-town at best the third line, its like saying its kanna's fault for messing up the way she claimed so even if she flips green here it's not your fault for mis-reading her, it's her fault for messing up here claim.

the final line is more hedging - and saying you can't see how a townie mindset could play like this as if the qualifier is on her to play to an exact townie model.

like people are people.

people are not robots.

people do not play exactly the correct line of play every time.

especially someone sensitive like Kanna who is getting attacked with unrelenting pressure.

So I don't see how you can be this unsympathetic and not see how she could possibly mess up.

and why can't she be scum collasping under pressure and playing incoherently

and why can't she be scum collasping under pressure and playing incoherently

Do you think town!kanna could possibly play like this?

I'm not even arguing my townread of her anymore. I'm arguing with the fact SPF is saying there's no way a town player could play this way.

maybe, but i'm not seeing the odds tilt in that direction

oh hey, i'm having MT as a slight SR personally, mainly for clidd's (slot he repped in) behaviour, and MT's ISO is just a huge void in my eyes

What's scummy about clidd's behavior, and why is her iso being a huge void scummy?

clidd basically dropped a buch of meta on you then repped out, and according to iv he has a meta of being a very good townplayer, but disliking very much being scum

so like, idk, i feel like if he was town, even if life had him busy, he would at least try to solve?

and by a huge void, i mean that i see him avoid taking stances / solving

list of all my interesting interactions with flipped scum, will add commentary later

[SirCakez]

I only have a Rio Grande

[midwaybear]

Yeah, I have some mechanical ideas, but I'd like to at least scumhunt a bit before going down that road.

[Gamma Emerald]

if i die, don't y'all even dare to touch mwb

:/

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair.
Can Gypyx, Gamma, and Cakez please claim their inventories?

I got nothing

[Gypyx]

@Gypyx It would be helpful if you explained what made you townread me (from two days ago).

missed that previously

you mean, real time days or game days?