Mini 659: The Neighborhood- Game over on Day 6

[Oman]

##Vote Tony Montana

[gorckat]

Vote Count

(6 to lynch)

TonyMontanav(3):

Darox, Oman, bionic

crywolf:

Ythill

Not voting (6):

Elias, Rashiminos, TonyMontana, crywolf, Tommy, fhqwhgads

**Fixed vote count to include bionic's vote (Not sure how I missed it, especially given the post I made in support of the ## format in MD right after I did the vote count )**

[TonyMontana]

Bionic voted me too,

mod

[bionicchop2]

Vote Count

(6 to lynch)

TonyMontanav(2):

Darox, Oman

crywolf:

Ythill

Not voting (7):

Elias, Rashiminos, TonyMontana, crywolf, bionic, Tommy, fhqwhgads

Yeah! I fixed my vote (for the tenth time this game!).

just in case

##vote TonyMontana

[Ythill]

Why would you guys pressure vote someone who's already answering questions? And then not ask any of your own?

Do you really have that much faith in Darox?

[bionicchop2]

Why would you guys pressure vote someone who's already answering questions? And then not ask any of your own?

Do you really have that much faith in Darox?

- partly seeing who would follow me
- partly waiting for Darox to outline a case. Something tells me Darox knows what they are talking about here.

The rest is just laziness as my other 3 games had an explosion of activity.

[fhqwhgads]

When you made this comment, I thought you might actually be providing us with some information. You haven't done anything of the sort.

Didn't have time to reread day 1 yet. Oh, and claiming I'll be providing more information? I have seen the same things you have seen, why would I have MORE information? Best I can do, is a fresh perspective.

You kind of soft claimed having information which would have come from the night phase and were just waiting for some more people to post before revealing. I guess I misread that one. It seemed like you had an investigation with a guilty result. The use of the word 'disclosing' was very misleading. The nature of the word disclosing is more along the lines of unveiling previously unknown information.

If you were trying to be subtle about having an investigation, I was trying to be subtle about letting you know I was waiting for the results before voting. I can see that is not the case now - if it is, you have kind of blown it by directly asking me why I expected you to have MORE information.

Ah, sorry, I can see how you would think that.

Well, my most likely subject is still Darox. The case against Tony isn't any more convincing to me and Darox hasn't done or said anything to make me suspect him any less than on day one.

Also. I'll be on V/LA for the weekend.

[Tommy]

I'm still waiting for you to explain your vote, Darox..

Tony, was this crossposted with 446?

[Darox]

Tommy, Tony is complaining about my vote on him, not my vote on Lowell.

[TonyMontana]

Tommy, Darox is explaining his vote on lowell, instead of explaining the more relevant, reasonless vote on me.

[Darox]

Could it not just be that they wanted to get the miller out of the way rather sooner than later, and save power-role hunting for when they have a better shot?
No scum wants a miller in a endgame. And the chance that user could've been fakeclaiming to protect himself would be a bonus.

I just thought of another reason to kill user. So the scum can be like "why on earth would they kill user?"

Can you please explain to me what prompted you to defend the mafia nightkill choice?

And user narrowed a cops search for scum, as well as the towns (as long as user was believed) , so yet another reason for them to take him out of the equation.

Why are you continuing to defend the mafia nightkill choice? Why do you feel the need to justify the decision?

Tony:

I still feel like his initial vote was a little suspect. The unvote @ L-1 + revote @ L-2 was null. However, what I find most suspicious afterwards was the way Tony stopped looking at other people. His posts after that vote were all defense or side-comment until the end-of-day IGMEO Oman. This while serious discussion about the Lowell lynch was taking place.

@Tony: Why did you stop hunting?

How do you know whether I'm "looking at other people"? I'm just not the instigator type.

Why did you try to seem like you might actually have other suspects then defend your lack of insight on others by passing it off as a character flaw? Why did you decide to not answer the highlighted question?

I don't like slippery arguments. Are you denying the charge or not?

The charge of not being involved in the arguing? Not denying, no.

Lets repeat the question here.

@Tony: Why did you stop hunting?

How does your answer link up to what the question is asking? Why did you feel compelled to give a weaselly non-answer to Ythill's questioning?
(Incidentally, Ythill, why did you call him out for his slippery answers the first time but not the second time?)

Vote Count

(6 to lynch)

TonyMontana:

Darox

Not voting (9):

Elias, Rashiminos, Oman, TonyMontana, crywolf, bionic, Tommy, Ythill, fhqwhgads

There is something wrong with this picture.

I'll give you a hint.
There are exactly 9 things wrong with this picture.

Dude, if you got something to say, say it. Insinuating that you have some kind of special knowledge is not gonna make everyone follow you blindly, and it's a scummy trait, so you're not doing yourself any favours.

Where did I insinuate that I had special knowledge? Why are you seemingly trying to pull a claim from me here?
(In case anyone couldn't figure it out, I was complaining that no one was voting period, not that no one was voting for Tony.)

[TonyMontana]

Can you please explain to me what prompted you to defend the mafia nightkill choice?

Uhh.. the discussion that was going on about the nightkill.

Why are you continuing to defend the mafia nightkill choice? Why do you feel the need to justify the decision?

Again, we were discussing the nightkills, and I was providing viewpoints on possible motives. And what does "defending" NK even mean? Defending to who?

How does your answer link up to what the question is asking? Why did you feel compelled to give a weaselly non-answer to Ythill's questioning?
(Incidentally, Ythill, why did you call him out for his slippery answers the first time but not the second time?)

It linked up, and Ythill understood the context, and I don't believe it went over your head either, so bring some real inquiries please.

Where did I insinuate that I had special knowledge? Why are you seemingly trying to pull a claim from me here?
(In case anyone couldn't figure it out, I was complaining that no one was voting period, not that no one was voting for Tony.)

You vote for me, saying nothing else than "This vote has reasons"
Several people go "whatever" and ask you to bring forth reasons if you got em.
You say nothing, then make the votecount comment, which could not have been interpreted as anything else than a wish for people to follow your lead.
After several requests for an explanation, you now attempt to construct some arguments against me, and is still not adressing the question.

So I ask again: What did you have in mind when you said "This vote has reasons"

[Ythill]

(Incidentally, Ythill, why did you call him out for his slippery answers the first time but not the second time?)

Um... I did. I said, "No, Tony, that's not what I said," then repeated my charge, then added, "If you want to deny it, we can discuss the specifics. If not, I want you to answer my question."

I

really

don't like the way you said there were "reasons" for your vote and then later posted an extremely weak case based on things that happened after it. I don't believe your soft claim.

Explain your vote or earn mine.

[Tommy]

Could it not just be that they wanted to get the miller out of the way rather sooner than later, and save power-role hunting for when they have a better shot?
No scum wants a miller in a endgame. And the chance that user could've been fakeclaiming to protect himself would be a bonus.

I just thought of another reason to kill user. So the scum can be like "why on earth would they kill user?"

Can you please explain to me what prompted you to defend the mafia nightkill choice?

This isn't really defence. He's trying to work out how the mafia are thinking, which is pro-town. It would be bad if he was saying, "I think X and Y are Mafia, but let's be nice and not vote for them."

[Darox]

Could it not just be that they wanted to get the miller out of the way rather sooner than later, and save power-role hunting for when they have a better shot?
No scum wants a miller in a endgame. And the chance that user could've been fakeclaiming to protect himself would be a bonus.

I just thought of another reason to kill user. So the scum can be like "why on earth would they kill user?"

Can you please explain to me what prompted you to defend the mafia nightkill choice?

This isn't really defence. He's trying to work out how the mafia are thinking, which is pro-town."

Excuse me?
How?

Just because you say it is doesn't make it so.

I could say "daykilling the confirmed cop is pro town" all I like, but it doesn't make it so.

[bionicchop2]

Tommy - why did you feel the need to answer for Tony there?

[Ythill]

Explain your vote or earn mine.

##unvote; vote: Darox

[crywolf20084]

Hey guys. Little under the weather and my power's been going in and out dispite the fact its perfectly sunny right now. I'll post again either because my power has decided to be stable, or on monday between my classes.

Sorry!

[Oman]

Tommy - why did you feel the need to answer for Tony there?

FTR Bionic is playing exactly as he did in the last game. I've got him pinned for town for now.

[gorckat]

Vote Count

(6 to lynch)

TonyMontanav(3):

Darox, Oman, bionic

Darox:

Ythill

Not voting (6):

Elias, Rashiminos, TonyMontana, crywolf, Tommy, fhqwhgads

**Rashiminos has been prodded for the second time**

[bionicchop2]

Can somebody remind me how Crywolf has managed to slip completely out of the picture here?

[Ythill]

Can somebody remind me how Crywolf has managed to slip completely out of the picture here?

Sure, Darox soft-claimed and directed the town to vote for Tony and, for some unknown reason, people have believed him. Personally, based solely on yesterday's info, I think wolf is the play. However, we've got plenty of time for that and Darox needs to answer for what he's done.

[fhqwhgads]

Back.

Well, today's actions by him, and my feelings since yesterday pretty much confirms the way I feel.

vote: Darox

[Darox]

Can somebody remind me how Crywolf has managed to slip completely out of the picture here?

Sure, Darox soft-claimed

I haven't soft claimed anything.

[Ythill]

Then give the reasons for your vote.