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[esotericzoomer]

Llama is scum because the way he went about trying to push the game out of RVS felt overdone and performative

Its pretty well established that I dont like RVS. Its the boring and unproductive part of the game to me so I want it to end ASAP so we can actually focus on doing stuff. Are you saying it would have been better if I just voted Anya and then kicked back and waited for everyone else to decide the "not doing much" portion of the game was over?

i dont really see how goofing off in the beginning of the game is really that harmful, theres 10 days, we can spare some time to get situated and greet everyone before we play properly

[Umlaut]

llama, for someone so determined to get us moving out of rvs and into The Serious Game... you've expressed one (1) read so far.

I really hate this post

[LlamaFluff]

llama, for someone so determined to get us moving out of rvs and into The Serious Game... you've expressed one (1) read so far.

Not many other reads worth perusing and nothing is overly strong. Trying to get a handle on people voting me, but so far it seems more of playstyle differences which is more annoying than a heavy tell either way (from Infinity at least). I think the part that bugs me the most about people voting me is that there is someone backing me up and agreeing with my statement (mom) who are being ignored by my voters. Your push on Samantha is a bit unusual to me because you seem to be focusing on if its serious as opposed to why they are making the statement, which would shake out your original question to start. Lack of any solid town (EZ might actually be closest) read this early is a little frustrating, but it is where I am.

Llama is scum because the way he went about trying to push the game out of RVS felt overdone and performative

Its pretty well established that I dont like RVS. Its the boring and unproductive part of the game to me so I want it to end ASAP so we can actually focus on doing stuff. Are you saying it would have been better if I just voted Anya and then kicked back and waited for everyone else to decide the "not doing much" portion of the game was over?

i dont really see how goofing off in the beginning of the game is really that harmful, theres 10 days, we can spare some time to get situated and greet everyone before we play properly

Im old (probably twice as old as someone in this game) and a side effect of that is occasionally work/other life commitments destroy any semblance of free time for a day or two. 10 days is nothing as far as im concerned being from the era of D1 normally being three weeks.

[Infinity 324]

It's not playstyle it's gut

[Datisi]

llama, for someone so determined to get us moving out of rvs and into The Serious Game... you've expressed one (1) read so far.

I really hate this post

spicey. tell me more.

Your push on Samantha is a bit unusual to me because you seem to be focusing on if its serious as opposed to why they are making the statement, which would shake out your original question to start.

there is no point asking someone to elaborate on a claim they are making if they can back out from it with "it was rvs i was memeing".

[esotericzoomer]

Im old (probably twice as old as someone in this game) and a side effect of that is occasionally work/other life commitments destroy any semblance of free time for a day or two. 10 days is nothing as far as im concerned being from the era of D1 normally being three weeks.

ive played games with three week day phases and ive played games with 72 hour day phases, and im of the opinion rvs is objectively beneficial to town

content doesnt appear out of thin air, rvs is a necessity

[esotericzoomer]

llama, for someone so determined to get us moving out of rvs and into The Serious Game... you've expressed one (1) read so far.

I really hate this post

looks fine to me
its probably the elipsis thats bugging you out

[Infinity 324]

It's not playstyle it's gut

Wait, llama, if you think I'm voting you for your playstyle, why isn't that AI? It's at least an objectively bad reason for voting

[LlamaFluff]

Your push on Samantha is a bit unusual to me because you seem to be focusing on if its serious as opposed to why they are making the statement, which would shake out your original question to start.

there is no point asking someone to elaborate on a claim they are making if they can back out from it with "it was rvs i was memeing".

I think they could have done, and you give them a little more wiggle room too, the same with your question as if they say "yes its serious" the follow-up is obvious.

Im old (probably twice as old as someone in this game) and a side effect of that is occasionally work/other life commitments destroy any semblance of free time for a day or two. 10 days is nothing as far as im concerned being from the era of D1 normally being three weeks.

ive played games with three week day phases and ive played games with 72 hour day phases, and im of the opinion rvs is objectively beneficial to town

content doesnt appear out of thin air, rvs is a necessity

True, but when a certain amount of content has appeared RVS starts becoming an anchor. To me that cutoff point is when you have a few people who are obviously making serious votes.

It's not playstyle it's gut

Wait, llama, if you think I'm voting you for your playstyle, why isn't that AI? It's at least an objectively bad reason for voting

AI is not a term im familiar with. If you see X as always scummy, it might not be a solid reason for a vote to me, but if you believe X is true even if I dont agree it still doesnt change your belief in X is true and something that you would do as town, or at least be forced to fake as scum. Maybe see something like Miller claim theory (if they should claim D1, if they should be gotten rid of immediately, etc). Thats not something that is going to change depending on alignment. Theory is a constant over games, when someone actually breaks from a theory they have in the past bought into thats more of a red flag that you disagreeing with that theory.

[Infinity 324]

AI = alignment-indicative, also fair enough

[Umlaut]

llama, for someone so determined to get us moving out of rvs and into The Serious Game... you've expressed one (1) read so far.

I really hate this post

spicey. tell me more.

It reads as disingenuous. How many reads do you think someone has to express to qualify as serious?

[Anya]

llama, for someone so determined to get us moving out of rvs and into The Serious Game... you've expressed one (1) read so far.

I really hate this post

i really like this post

[Anya]

i caught up and i like infinity umlaut perhaps llama and iconeum

[Infinity 324]

It reads as disingenuous. How many reads do you think someone has to express to qualify as serious?

I'd expect probably more than 1? If you're trying to go super serious mode, then you can analyze every little ping from every post and usually come up with more than one read. I'm not convinced it's scummy (scum would probably be able to fake reads as well), but I see datisi's point

[Anya]

VOTE: Luca

[esotericzoomer]

VOTE: Infinity 324

[Umlaut]

Infinity, I think there's a distinction between being serious and tryharding that you're failing to make here; as far as I know Llama never claimed to be putting forth an extraordinary effort, just to be posting and voting seriously and expecting others to do the same.

[Anya]

what does that quote even mean raccoon

[Datisi]

llama, for someone so determined to get us moving out of rvs and into The Serious Game... you've expressed one (1) read so far.

I really hate this post

spicey. tell me more.

It reads as disingenuous. How many reads do you think someone has to express to qualify as serious?

there is not a fixed number. but if someone's ratio of "expressing reads" to "telling other people to start getting serious and express their reads" is too small, it can mean that the person doesn't actually care about forming reads or moving the game forward, they just really *really* want to give the appearance of doing so.

[Datisi]

It reads as disingenuous. How many reads do you think someone has to express to qualify as serious?

I'd expect probably more than 1? If you're trying to go super serious mode, then you can analyze every little ping from every post and usually come up with more than one read. I'm not convinced it's scummy (scum would probably be able to fake reads as well), but I see datisi's point

why are you preemptively defending me?

[Anya]

Datisi is definitely town

if anyone pushes him i'm policy voting them with my sledgehammer

[LlamaFluff]

llama, for someone so determined to get us moving out of rvs and into The Serious Game... you've expressed one (1) read so far.

I really hate this post

spicey. tell me more.

It reads as disingenuous. How many reads do you think someone has to express to qualify as serious?

there is not a fixed number. but if someone's ratio of "expressing reads" to "telling other people to start getting serious and express their reads" is too small, it can mean that the person doesn't actually care about forming reads or moving the game forward, they just really *really* want to give the appearance of doing so.

Im not going to try to inflate the strength of minor reads that serve no purpose because that likely just creates noise. If I want to move a wagon, or if I want to keep a wagon off someone it will become very clear very quickly. Especially the latter part as I tend to be almost more aggressive when it comes to stopping wagons of strong town reads than to push one of mine.

@Anya - Why Luca? They have only one post. Are you saying everyone active you have some level of town read on?
@Andre - You say you were looking for a reaction from Samantha. What did it tell you?
@Dati - Do you see a difference in what Infinity is doing to you vs what Mom has been doing for me?

[Infinity 324]

why are you preemptively defending me?

Because I TR you, and I may be able to use this to sort umlaut

@umlaut Did llama's posting not imply he was going to try to get out of RVS as fast as possible?

VOTE: luca llama feels a bit better

[Infinity 324]

I guess I can answer llama's question to anya for myself, I don't TR everyone active but I don't SR anyone active, and luca's 1 post was awkward, which is slightly +scum

[Anya]

yeah Luca's post felt a little off like he's a skydiver who's decided to go scuba diving