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[Foxbird]

Not a technique I personally have learned in my martial arts classes.

Official Vote Count

samantha97

(1): OutWorldER

Iconeum

(1): Umlaut

Umlaut

(6): Datisi, Iconeum, Anya, Momrangal, Infinity 324, Rathe

[E-1]

OutWorldER

(3): Luca Blight, samantha97, esotericzoomer

Not Voting

(2): LlamaFluff, Andresvmb

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-04-02 02:56:32)

[Iconeum]

This is a very rare occasion on this site where I feel as though the deadline has come too soon

it's our own fault

the discussion is a direct result of putting someone on E-1 and with intent

we allowed the wagons to stall out for days on end, without actual pressure on anyone

[Iconeum]

omg fox did it

nice

[Iconeum]

let's have a claim please

[Luca Blight]

I do see how Umlaut has dropped off since being SR as potentially scum-indicative

but Outworld has done the same thing tbf. I think they are both scummy for similar reasons but Umlaut has at least made some decent posts

Umlaut should claim in his next post anyway

[Datisi]

but Outworld has done the same thing tbf. I think they are both scummy for similar reasons but Umlaut has at least made some decent posts

i don't think that should be exactly clearing for umlaut, he's a competent scum player. making "some decent posts" is like. not it

[Iconeum]

I do see how Umlaut has dropped off since being SR as potentially scum-indicative

but Outworld has done the same thing tbf. I think they are both scummy for similar reasons but Umlaut has at least made some decent posts

Umlaut should claim in his next post anyway

i have my reasons to scumread umlaut, but the ONLY thing indicating he might actually be town here is the fact that he dropped off since being scumread, according to his town!meta i had the pleasure seeing in Smuggler's Port

he got pressured really early on Day 1, as a major role in the game, and i saved his but after my weekend VLA
he got really down from the pressure, and never really recovered and was pretty much a non-presence the rest of the game

but he's probably just scum here so yeah

[Luca Blight]

Well I'm certainly not clearing him

I just think Outworld is more likely scum

[Iconeum]

Not a technique I personally have learned in my martial arts classes.

Official Vote Count

samantha97

(1): OutWorldER

Iconeum

(1): Umlaut

Umlaut

(6): Datisi, Iconeum, Anya, Momrangal, Infinity 324, Rathe

[E-1]

OutWorldER

(3): Luca Blight, samantha97, esotericzoomer

Not Voting

(2): LlamaFluff, Andresvmb

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-04-02 02:56:32)

the umlaut wagon comp is actually looking really nice

[Luca Blight]

The bar is set very low either way but I just have a confidence in Outworld being scum, maybe based on my past experience with him

I guess you might feel similarly about Umlaut, who I've never played with before

[Luca Blight]

The Outworld comp looks good as well?

[Iconeum]

umlaut *still* voting me from way early day 1

yeah nice progression

[Iconeum]

The Outworld comp looks good as well?

Spoiler:

https://media.tenor.com/images/b4f53b81 ... /tenor.gif

[Iconeum]

The Outworld comp looks good as well?

Spoiler:

[LlamaFluff]

Llama how do you read me right now?

Thats what im trying to figure out. If I could come up with a name that we both think is lean scum I would be willing to hard push it because that should help solve a ton, alternatives always are useful, I would take a D1 where town goes but the secondary wagon was scum over a D1 where scum does unanimously. I like get you arent too fond of umulat, but dont like that few of our other reads mesh (if you put Andres over Umulat I probably would have just voted there). Really I think my read of you wont even be impacted much by what Umulat flips. Maybe slight move in the opposite direct (him scum, you town or him town, you scum).

I dont think there is necessarily malicious intent driving the wago

what how

i'm the (one of the?) driving factor behind the umlaut wagon and you scumread me, and have been scumreading me for basicly the whole game

how do you come to a 'there doesn't have to be malicious intent' here?

Thats cute. You think you are a driving factor of the wagon.

Umulat seems to be mostly based on a large number of people just saying "yeah somewhat of a read" and has manifested itself there. No one is really pushing it hard, laying down a case, etc. Its just showing up. Its something that scum can easily appear on, and something that town can just pass off if they dont have time to delve into things. Its lazy, its not something that is being pushed through weak/faulty logic, its just there as a backup that we have over half the game agreeing to.

What if Umulat is town?

what if he's scum? i think we'd have a nice and clear path for day 2 then

if he's town… there is always day 2 to figure that out eh

but like, not flipping someone because they might be town is... ehhh yeah

Cute but no. You basically attack/threaten EZ fully based on the assumption that Umulat is scum. Question stands. What if he is town? What does that do to your EZ read?

[Iconeum]

i'm undecided on luca, i'm townreading sam and zoomer feels like scum pushing against umlaut wagon

not really a stellar comp if you ask me

[Datisi]

luca do you have an opinion on zoomer saying both wagons are shit, then sayng umlaut wagon is maybe fine, then voting outworld?

[Luca Blight]

i'm undecided on luca, i'm townreading sam and zoomer feels like scum pushing against umlaut wagon

not really a stellar comp if you ask me

Luca is obvtown imo

I agree that Samantha seems town and her progression on Outworld has been very similar to my own

I TR Zoomer partly based on meta, and I like some of his read progressions. I guess he could make sense as a partner to Umlaut if this flips red but I'm not really feeling it atm.

[Iconeum]

luca do you have an opinion on zoomer saying both wagons are shit, then sayng umlaut wagon is maybe fine, then voting outworld?

this probably words it better then i did :p

[LlamaFluff]

luca do you have an opinion on zoomer saying both wagons are shit, then sayng umlaut wagon is maybe fine, then voting outworld?

this probably words it better then i did :p

So you are reading EZ as scum no matter what Umulat is or no?

[Iconeum]

luca do you have an opinion on zoomer saying both wagons are shit, then sayng umlaut wagon is maybe fine, then voting outworld?

this probably words it better then i did :p

So you are reading EZ as scum no matter what Umulat is or no?

so you think there is absolutely nothing wrong with zoomers progression there?

[Iconeum]

llama has your read on me even evolved since early day 1?

[Luca Blight]

luca do you have an opinion on zoomer saying both wagons are shit, then sayng umlaut wagon is maybe fine, then voting outworld?

Well he kind of corrected himself I guess? It wasn't so much that the wagon was bad, but he doesn't SR Umlaut, which aligns with his read progression and is something I can kind of relate to

Being a bit all over the place isn't exactly out of character for Zoomer based on my previous game with him

[Luca Blight]

And I did say 'let's focus on Outworld and Umlaut' so when he realized his Icon push was futile it makes sense that he would compromise on one of those wagons.

He had SR Outworld before Llama's defence of him, which I tore apart, so I don't really see a problem with this progression.

[Datisi]

ok yeah nvm false alarm we are not flashwagoning zoomer