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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im gonna stop tilting and just ignore this game

VOTE: noone

maybe you are just that bad

[VFP]

I think Flea may be town.
But yesterday makes me think I'm just wrong for thinking this.

But the kill just sets Flea up nice for the lim outside of the PR claims.

I actually think I want to lim Clidd today but I will check over during the easter weekend more.

[RLotus]

hmm I guess it's optimal to leave the PRs alone for now anyways, but I don't believe in that reaction whatsoever
UNVOTE:

[geraintm]

just checking in quickly to say i have seen that the day has restarted and all and i have nothing concrete myself to add to what Pooky has said. it is easter weekend and i have a couple of extra days off work so i'll catch up as best i can at some point the next day or two.

[clidd]

I don't get why Pooky is overreacting to something simple.

A50 had a massive iioa post and I didn't understand the content.

There is scum between Llama and Vfp, as I said yesterday.

[clidd]

Hum, maybe not, idk, but their interaction felt TvS (Vfp x Llama).

[clidd]

If we aren't doing any PR today, the best flip is between Gera, Flea and Amélie

Flea and Amélie are more towny to me than Gera, but I can still change my mind depending on what the trio posts today.

VOTE: geraintm

[VFP]

There is scum between Llama and Vfp, as I said yesterday.

Then vote me, because Llama has a green check on them.

[clidd]

You're towny, I'm not voting you ^

[clidd]

I actually think that the solve is 1 of {A50/Pooky} + 2 of {Gera/Flea/Amélie} by reads.

Unless someone convinces me that we are in a scenario where all claims are from town.

[clidd]

An analysis from Llama about the roles would help a lot, by the way.

[VFP]

Let me think about this as something is staring me in the face.
The best thing to do is ask, what kind of PR would scum have with and what makes sense for possible out comes.

Gun Smith even
Gun Smith odd
Psychologist N1
Novice Detective

Gun Smith even
Psychologist N1
Novice Detective
Neapolitan

Gun Smith odd
Gun Smith even
Psychologist N1
Novice Detective
Neapolitan

[clidd]

My impression is that the set:

Gun Smith odd
Gun Smith even
Psychologist N1
Novice Detective
Neapolitan

Make sense, mechanically speaking, except the Neapolitan, which seems to be fake.

But, as I said, my knowledge of setup is limited. I don't know if a Gun smith even and odd in the same game is something that happens often or not.

[clidd]

If I had to choose between PRs + reads, I would eliminate A50.

If I had to choose between PRs - reads, I would eliminate Pooky.

Quite simple.

But, If they are both town, then I have a problem because by PoE my solve would be 3 inside {Vfp, Gera, Flea, Amélie} (considering that Llama and Lotus are likely town by tpr reports + reads). If I apply occam's razor, I get the final Gera + Flea + Amélie solve in this scenario, which doesn't seem compatible, especially Gera + Amélie. So there must be scum among the PRs, between the results or you are scum (Vfp). More likely between PRs.

Alternatively, I could be wrong and the solution is simply Gera + Flea + Amélie if the PRs are town, but I have never seen an ''easy'' solution to be correct in an entire mafia year.

[clidd]

One theory I had in mind when reading the last few pages, in a scenario where scum!Pooky is real, was the disproportionate reaction after Lotus mentioned the solve Pooky + Clidd.

In addition to looking deliberately suspicious, the timing in which it occurred could suggest to Lotus an alleged fake panic reaction that could connect Pooky's slot to mine indirectly (and making me look suspicious too).

But I suppose town!Pooky could also feel the same way if he was offended by Lotus's pov. Just a theory anyways.

[clidd]

just checking in quickly to say i have seen that the day has restarted and all and i have nothing concrete myself to add to what Pooky has said. it is easter weekend and i have a couple of extra days off work so i'll catch up as best i can at some point the next day or two.

It's your turn to post everything you're thinking.

[clidd]

Well nuts. Thats me screwed.

That said, our investigatives should have some info.

You too.

[clidd]

I'm fine with basically any wagon at this point. Anything to get the day over with except goofball because I think goofball is definitely town. I will no elim over elimming goofball.

And you, Miss.

[clidd]

@Pooky

Take a break and then go back to the game.

Your opinion is important to help me/us understand your slot.

@A50

Stop doing filler posts and start gamesolving. Thanks.

[Flea The Magician]

@mod Limited access - should be 48h, pain flare is starting but is a localised one.

[VFP]

My head hurts trying to work this out.

[VFP]

Neapolitan is likely really in this setup, but it normally balances out with more roles.
Everytime I try to think of how this game suits x roles I keep coming back to all PR claims are town.

If anyone is lying though it's A50. The strength of 2 at odd even nights is so much stronger than just 1 every day.
Unless scum have 2 PRs which would make the Neapolitan too much of a trolly role, I don't see it.

I'm going round in circles here

[Flea The Magician]

If people follow this lotus dude who hardshoved dgb to death over my objections And surprise surprise she flipped town. You all deserve to lose and I am not going to spend an ounce more of effort on this game. Hurry up.

That I recall, I was the hard shover.

it is so dishonest and disingenuous to ignore the fact that I was defending dgb as town yesterday and trying to elim someone else over her and cherry-pick a post from dannflor literally a thousand posts ago to claim that I am scum who wanted dgb dead or whatever.

You are beyond ridiculous at this point. I don’t know how a person could possibly play this badly so this push has to be coming from scum it’s that disgusting.

Ngl I'm going to have to look back, I remember you fluffposting a lot.

[Flea The Magician]

Well nuts. Thats me screwed.

That said, our investigatives should have some info.

You too.

Without re-reading...

Replacement dissonance is a thing, targets make sense from a neopolitan PoV. I'm not used to pooky losing their shit like this, and is usually more confident in what they're doing and more carefree as scum so I'm inclined to townbin.

RLotus is green based on A50, Llama's green based on Pooky. Remove all 3 for now. them from PoE for now - bad idea I know.

I'm left with Gerain, Clidd, Amélie and VFP.

VFP is likely town,
clidd slightly less likely,

Amélie and Gerain have equal chance to be scum buckets, and is where I'm going to look a bit closer today.

[Not_Mafia]

@mod Limited access - should be 48h, pain flare is starting but is a localised one.

Acknowledged, hope all is well.