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[Infinity 324]

s_s's logic made sense, and you agreed that he had a point

samantha is just town for reasons I poorly explained earlier

Why is it a scumtell to push someone who ends up being a PR when there was no indication that rathe was a PR

[Infinity 324]

Who *wanted* koto to be modkilled

[Andresvmb]

That wasn't even random because it was static. Though, attempting to break the rules should probably be punished just as harshly?

This is begging for a Mod Kill.

[Andresvmb]

Why is it a scumtell to push someone who ends up being a PR when there was no indication that rathe was a PR

And you’re either bad or Scum while asking this.

[Infinity 324]

That wasn't even random because it was static. Though, attempting to break the rules should probably be punished just as harshly?

This is begging for a Mod Kill.

You don't understand how s_s talks

Tbh I'm kinda done with you, you've been pushing me for awful reasons all day phase

[Andresvmb]

Hahaha okay I’ve had “bad reasons” for pushing you.

[samantha97]

whether it's me or infinity, willful ignorance is gonna be a bad look tomorrow

there's a lot of time to learn what makes us tick overnight, regardless of the outcome of rathe

[Andresvmb]

If Rathe flips Town PR (and Enabler), you don’t think it’s reasonable to ask why there was such a scramble to save you at the end of the day to the point where players like S_S and Samantha strongly didn’t want to vote you? With Samantha plainly stating that you were Town and S_S looking to avoid voting either Llama or you (Llama probably because they strongly felt Samantha was Scum and a flip there would confirm their world view perhaps), but suggesting the Town PR as an alternative?

If you agree that Samantha is Town even after that horrific hammer (assuming a Town PR), and you think I’m being weird, then yeah you’re Scum or bad.

[LlamaFluff]

Why are we posting "this is who scum should kill" lists, even if its based on an unknown flip? If you want to give conditional scum reads sure, but town reads make no sense here.

[Andresvmb]

Why are we posting "this is who scum should kill" lists, even if its based on an unknown flip? If you want to give conditional scum reads sure, but town reads make no sense here.

I’m not sure who you’re talking about but I am definitely not giving lists of players Scum should kill like what.

[Infinity 324]

Andres, rathe didn't point out a crumb and I am town so scum literally had no way of knowing that a rathe elim would benefit them more than me.

[Andresvmb]

Andres, rathe didn't point out a crumb and I am town so scum literally had no way of knowing that a rathe elim would benefit them more than me.

In what time did you want Rathe to point out a crumb? They claimed and got hammered in about 5 minutes. This makes no sense at all.

[LlamaFluff]

Why are we posting "this is who scum should kill" lists, even if its based on an unknown flip? If you want to give conditional scum reads sure, but town reads make no sense here.

I’m not sure who you’re talking about but I am definitely not giving lists of players Scum should kill like what.

You and Infinity are. Stop with the "these are all my town reads" part of the lists. Just stop at suspects. If you are town and Rathe was town, the more that scum know how that is going to effect reads moving into tomorrow with any sort of confidence the better it is for them. Even knowing who your strong scum reads are can be important. This is where we *limit* the information for them, not just show all the cards (unless something massive just changed and you feel a need to get it out). The more scum knows the smaller the chance is that they screw something up. This is quiet time when all unnecessary content dies.

[Andresvmb]

I disagree. We’ve been talking about Town reads the whole day. This is still without complete information. Like it doesn’t make a difference. We’ve already signaled to the Scum who is the best execution. Posting conditional reads in twilight is fine in my book. Not sure what you’re freaking out about.

[Infinity 324]

Andres, rathe didn't point out a crumb and I am town so scum literally had no way of knowing that a rathe elim would benefit them more than me.

In what time did you want Rathe to point out a crumb? They claimed and got hammered in about 5 minutes. This makes no sense at all.

Normally you point out a crumb right away, he'd probably at least say there was a crumb and to ask people to wait if there was one, I'm pretty confident if rathe crumbed he forgot about it (unlikely)

[samantha97]

Andres, rathe didn't point out a crumb and I am town so scum literally had no way of knowing that a rathe elim would benefit them more than me.

In what time did you want Rathe to point out a crumb? They claimed and got hammered in about 5 minutes. This makes no sense at all.

I believed rathe's role, I just didn't believe the alignment

crumb wouldn't be relevant

[Andresvmb]

Andres, rathe didn't point out a crumb and I am town so scum literally had no way of knowing that a rathe elim would benefit them more than me.

In what time did you want Rathe to point out a crumb? They claimed and got hammered in about 5 minutes. This makes no sense at all.

I believed rathe's role, I just didn't believe the alignment

crumb wouldn't be relevant

Okay we’ll see what Rathe flips then. Not much to talk about until that happens I’m afraid.

[Infinity 324]

Andres is implying (I think) that scum saw a rathe crumb and wanted to wagon him because of it, and fmpov that makes 0 sense because I'm the one that started the wagon. If you want to call me scum who did that, fine. But fmpov it's not something worth considering

[Andresvmb]

Andres is implying (I think) that scum saw a rathe crumb and wanted to wagon him because of it, and fmpov that makes 0 sense because I'm the one that started the wagon. If you want to call me scum who did that, fine. But fmpov it's not something worth considering

No I’m not arguing this at all.

[Infinity 324]

W/e maybe I'm missing something and being an idiot but scum don't have particular motivation to redirect a wagon from town of unknown role to another townie of unknown role

[Something_Smart]

This is begging for a Mod Kill.

I mean on the one hand I would have been happy to see Koto die, but it's not like I would seriously expect my post to influence whether he got modkilled. That's a listmod decision. (And why would that be a modkillable offense, anyway?)

[Andresvmb]

I’m not arguing the Scum saw a crumb like what. You’re the one who brought up wanting the player claiming a PR to also point to a crumb they might have left. That thought didn’t even cross my mind. And that’s in defense to potentially flipping Town. Absurd.

What I said was - if Rathe flips Town, and PR, the quick hammer is an obvious place to look. And the player that most benefited from the wagon shifting onto Town is also a good place to look. If you’re Town Infinity, you would have died already. No reason to hunt for an alternative so aggressively at the end of the day. Or at the very least you would have seen some indifference and one of you or Llama dying. And if Llama is Scum and you’re Town, even more likely that you are executed there. It’s tough from my POV to conclude that a miracle wagon emerged to save you, and ended onto a third player that just so happens to be a PR, only to save an innocent Town player. Nonsense.

[samantha97]

What I said was - if Rathe flips Town, and PR, the quick hammer is an obvious place to look.

why would it make a difference whether rathe was vanilla or enabler in actuality? doesn't the claim only matter in that equation

[Andresvmb]

What I said was - if Rathe flips Town, and PR, the quick hammer is an obvious place to look.

why would it make a difference whether rathe was vanilla or enabler in actuality? doesn't the claim only matter in that equation

So handicapping an actual PR you don’t have any sense who is, and basically numbing an important part of the Town’s abilities, doesn’t make any difference to you?

You guys are arguing stuff that doesn’t even make logical sense. Like go away.

[Andresvmb]

After the incredibly suspicious wagon appears on Rathe, and they claim Enabler, the incentive to hammer it while there’s still confusion as Scum is enormous. Even more so if you’re Partner was under tremendous stress previously. That could be Llama, or it could be Infinity. If they’re both Town, at that late stage, the odds that Scum want to cause a major wagon shift are minuscule. I don’t understand why you would think that’s a remotely likely universe.