Back to reading again. The remainder of day one pages 22-25 mainly revolved around Tar getting blown up and some people touching on it and some not. Bunch of other players were shouting, pick me, pick me I want bomb tomorrow. Batt looked rather town I kinda liked his explaination of K7 saying kill me after Tar could be a scum tactic.
Saying Kill me isn't a scum tell but it certainly isn't a town tell. In no way is it a town tell even if you say you were joking. If you are town, asking to be blown up effectivly hurts your side. I don't see it as a good joke. This game may not have the quick explosions and entertainment me and you enjoy K7, but if you aren't going to play, constantly ask for death because of that, maybe you should ask for replacement. It ain't a scum tell but severly anti-town.
M4yhem wrote:Any idea who might have armed you, TDC? All I can think is 'not Coron' and of course, that's wifom.
Twomz wrote:I'm here... I am going to try my best for a reread sometime soon /sigh.
Since I'm not being as helpful yet as I normally am for the town, I'm going to assume that the mafia won't give me the bomb unless they feel like I'm the only one left who is going to miss.
And while it's shrouded in WIFOM, TDC, you might want to put more or less weight on your target depending on if you pushed for them yesterday or not. Because realistically the mafia would want to pick a bomb they think would kill a person they want dead (2 birds with one stone), but knowing that they could pick a person who was attacking one of them to "clear" that person.
I'll trust your judgment on this one.
These comments by Mayhem and Twomz I don't like. They are first to bring up any WIFOM elements involved with who you suspect getting effected by you recieving the bomb. Getting the bomb should only mean you are confirmed town. considering wifom involved for even a second can effect your judgement. I find it is best to ignore Wifom don't acknowledge it continue to scumhunt as usual whether you are confirmed or not always. Stating you know its WIFOM does not deminish the fact you brought it up.
Note to those who did jump on Ironman. He lurks in alot of games. Whether he is scum or town. I have seen him lurk as both bigtime. He is not a prolfic player regardless of alignment. Him lurking = null tell Especially Since Dos noted Ironman had V/la mentioned in his sig. I note that Crazy jumped on Ironman right after Forbidden light did.
M4yhem wrote:Unvote, Vote Alvinz
for tunnelling on Max and his inaccurate, derivative scumlist yesterday.
This statement is true. also
alvinz95 wrote:Bah! Written out a full post, but internet died. Too lazy now, so I'll just recap.
@-Max: Seriously, do you think I'm ONLY attacking your because of your meta? Give a read to my scumlist from Day 1 and it shows much more reasons why. Why do you misquote me?
@-M4yhem: Your vote doesn't seemed to be backed by much valid points. My "incorrect" scumlist was only incorrect on the fact I placed ??? all over twomz's name because I wasn't sure who it really was that FL omgused. and If you think my statement on how you lingered on a lurker lynch was incorrect, then thats your opinion, cause you did linger upon it (now I get what you're saying). None of the points on my main suspects were incorrect, so you can't say the whole thing was incorrect, except for some random notes at the end. Weak. Really, if I was tunnel visioned on max, then I wouldn't even bother to reread to find another suspect, and I did. Are you Max's pal?
Reread:
The two that caught my attention were Crazy and armlx. Both seem to be relaxing and watching everyone hunt for scum as they just pop back and relax, saying something every so often. Crazy is almost lurker-like with not too much posts with content related to scumhunting. Seemed as tho he was trying to stay under the radar with his vote on Iron Man after being called for it. I just feel armlx's play is more random and I kinda believe that a more experienced person should be scum to even think of giving the bomb to DGB.
Right now, I'm going with Max still as he STILL lingers on the "meta" point when theres really much more.
Vote: Max
After you reread armlx and crazy jump out at you. But you don't vote them or push these suspicions strongly later on. Instead you go back to Max tunneling when you mentioned max alot less than Crazy and armlx here.
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That is a brilliant idea! You deserve a scumhunting award!
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Glad Mayhem noticed some of this too. I am now wondering if Alvinz, Crazy and Armlx are all scum and this was bad distancing by Alvinz since he did not push these suspicions strongly. I Will explain my opinions on armlx later on here.
alvinz95 wrote:M4yhem, I told you that I reread Max and BM, then you come back saying that I didn't reread my "suspects". Wtf? I skim for not as important parts. Rereading was a hassle to just look for some quick notes, and so what if I'm lazy. You cannot quote lack of posting. Thats your opinion that you don't think I reread. I reread to find new suspects. Now that I reread, I still think Max is scum, but I have other players that I can look out for, such as Crazy and armlx. Are you saying that if I have multiple suspects I can't attack just one of them?
And what I'm saying is you aren't really attacking Armlx and crazy. Did you quote suspecific things that made Armlx and Crazy jump out to you, did you quote suspecific things they said?
Nope.
Did you ask them questions pretaining to Crazy and Armlx overall play, in an effort to see if your suspicions held weight?
Nope.
Does this in any way encourage other players to scumhunt and lynch Crazy or Armlx.
Not really since you are voting Max.
It only encourages me to thinking you could possibly be distancing yourself from my other suspect Crazy and maybe distancing yourself from Armlx too.
What I don't like about Armlx is is varying views of K7 and Tarhalindur. It feels alot like he was trying not to have people kill K7 at first, basically trying to keep people sane before some quick exploding. Like he was in between on K7 and didn't think he should die for being suicidal. And then armlx finds one opinion statement and was like "Ah fuck it, kill him". Did you think to ask K7 why he thought scum would give bomb to lurkers? Did you want to try and understand what he was getting at with such a bizarre opinion?
Nope, you figured he had to die soon and you didn't even vote him for that.
Nice Move.[/sarcasm]
armlx wrote:K7 wrote:
The bomb holder needs to blow me up.
facepalm.
Just saying this means someone HAS to at some point in the game.
armlx wrote:M4yh3m, the suicidal people can only have their alignment revealed via a lynch, regardless of how pro-town/anti-town their actions are. Now, what other group in this game falls under the same circumstances, and how can we reasonably distinguish the two while someone is acting that way?
armlx wrote:EBWODP: To be fair, odds are that scenario would apply to K7 all game anyways. Also, now would probably be a better time to deal with people who are acting scummy in other ways to gain more info. He has to die by lynch at a later point however.
Also, what differentiates him from tar is tar used it as a defense to a larger attack.
armlx wrote:
I would think the scum would want to give the bomb to lurkers who really dont know whats going on in the game, vs giving the bomb to someone whos a stronger player.
I'm now convinced K7 needs to die now/soon.
If you think he is town he should not die regardless of how anti-town you see him play. There is a difference between anti-town and being scummy. Not playing the game like K7 is doing is anti-town and does not further his position if he is scum. If you don't think lurker and "kill me" actions further him as scum, then he is only Anti-town and not scummy. And I think K7 should try to do well in this game. He should try playing this game or mod/patition for and or join one where he can kill people rappidly like in a Bad Idea Mafia format.
Crazy wrote:Battousai wrote:What we should do is kill anyone who asks to be killed. If they are town, then good job, you're sabotaging the game. If they're mafia, then they're dead. This is similar to lynch all lurkers. If you make it a rule, lurkers would stop lurking to avoid being killed. Same thing goes for suicidal players.
No, you don't kill him. You tell him, "Post content or prepare to be killed." If K7 doesn't actually play this game, then yes, he's a problem, because he would be useless to the town and there's very little chance he'd ever get a bomb. In that case, it would probably be beneficial to blow him up.
Do you think K7 is scummy or just Anti-town? If he is town his death won't be benefitial.
That was post 710 by crazy. This is post 720 by crazy.
Crazy wrote:Lol, TDC's making his own game.
I'll
Unvote, Revote Iron Man
if that's the case, because M4yhem owned that question.
You certainly have dropped your K7 comments quickly to go back to wagoning ironman haven't you? K7 did alot of lurking just like ironman so your actions feel very inconsistant. Just Because TDC has changed to rules you think its necessary to go back to ironman and forget about the stuff you said pretaining to K7? If you honestly think someone is scum you should push for their lynch. If you honestly think someone is Anti-town you should convince them to change the playing that is making them Anti-town. You don't drop the manner instantaneously.
killa seven wrote:I dont like the whole argument that we should kill k7 because the scum wont and he will be around later, the point is to blow up scum, if you think im scum blow me up, if you think im just unhelpfull but town, then thats not really good town play.
This basically.
I have read pages 22-29 and am looking at Crazy, Alvinz, and Armlx as being scum. Vote is staying on Crazy. Will read 30-present asap. I am going to get some dinner and what not now.
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