BlakAdder wrote:
Explaining your vote is common practice, unless you're scum looking to get a quick mislynch. Simply saying "just go back and look" isn't good enough. What do you find scummy about me?
Shanba wrote:Besides, I'm voting you on a pattern of behaviour, and jumping the gun too soon may stop you from reinforcing that pattern if indeed you are scum.
BlakAdder wrote:And now, we're on to our next logical fallacy, leading questions. A better way to have put it would have been that you want people to go back and misinterpret things in my posts as scummy. By now it's pretty obvious that you were just voting to get a reaction from me. Also, Tornado, why did you feel the need to jump in and answer my question for Shanba?
I am assuming you referred to the post I quoted above in your post 202?
BlakAdder wrote:@Tornado: Yes, I get it, which I quite clearly stated, but you're missing the point. Just answer instead of trying to disguise your answer in quotes.
@Shanba: Care to explain your vote?
No.
Don't do this. Don't start a case on someone and then refuse to provide evidence/thoughts. Do not.
Don't tell me how to play, please.
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BlakAdder wrote:@Tornado: Yes, I get it, which I quite clearly stated, but you're missing the point. Just answer instead of trying to disguise your answer in quotes.
@Shanba: Care to explain your vote?
No.
Don't do this. Don't start a case on someone and then refuse to provide evidence/thoughts. Do not.
Don't tell me how to play, please.
Whilst normally I wouldn't take playstyle criticism from Wall-E, he's right in this case.
[u]Apologies[/u]
I abandoned this place out of stress about 6 months ago. I let a lot of people down in doing so. I am starting afresh, I will not join more than 2 games at a time and I will definitely not be modding a game in the foreseeable future.
No, he's wrong. REfusing to explain my votes is an innefective way of getting a lynch, but I'm not much interested in getting a lynch. or even a wagon, right now. My vote is partly a reminder ot myself to keep an eye on Blakadder, partly an acknowledgement that he is who I find scummiest right now and partly an attempt to get a reaction (not necessarily from BlakAdder, mind. Reasonless or simply weak votes are good methods for getting partners to show themselves: see my weakish attack on DGB, and then Yos2 coming to her defence. The rest of the game is a trainwreck and I would not recommend reading it unless you have some sort of desire for pain, but I was scum in that game so it could be useful for meta, I guess...
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Shanba wrote:My vote is partly a reminder ot myself to keep an eye on Blakadder, partly an acknowledgement that he is who I find scummiest right now and partly an attempt to get a reaction [etc]
...so you agree that you should have stated reasons? Because you just stated them...
@armlx: My thoughts: This game is too young to have strong opinions yet, but I'm forming one about Shanba based on this exchange. I also think BlackAdder has made some excellent points so far.
Anything else you want to hear my thoughts on, just ask.
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Sir Tornado wrote:And, by the way, I feel you are blowing things out of proportion a bit. I HAVE explained most of my play in this game too, and unlike what a few people might say, I have answered most questions too as long as they were not stupid ones.
I don't see how I'm "blowing things out of proportion." All I said was that it would be helpful if you explained yourself instead of telling us that your actions should be obvious. Other people have voted you for it; I didn't think it was THAT big of a deal.
...so you agree that you should have stated reasons? Because you just stated them...
Semantics. I have no stated case on him, if you like that wording better.
Gah. Having the whole thing revolve around "Why is Shanba voting him?" is justt about the worst case scenario, as it is not supposed to attract attention, precisely the opposite. However, I'd like to put forwards a few propositions for you.
Firstly, the received wisdom is sometimes wrong.
Secondly, it is rarely the case (or not) behind a vote that makes it scummy.
Thirdly, it can sometimes be beneficial to hide the case behind your vote.
BTW, Alabaska, what do you think my case on BlakAdder is?
@armlx: I'm beginning to feel that you may be right, in that hiding my vote is doing more damage by obfuscating the discussion than it is helping by achieving the benefits I originally intended. As such, I will reveal my case after I get a few responses.
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Attempt at post analysis of the opening without conclusions. Also attempting to be neutral. Might help with pattern recognition later. Goes through post 255 or so. Ordered from least posts to most posts.
Azuma: (1) /confirm, One post since creation of profile on 16-sep-08
martin413: (2) /confirm, jokevote, Two posts since creation of profile on 17-Sep-08
DynamoXI: (2) /confirm and one post defending Cream147 against Empking
Demon Pineapple: (2) /confirm and jokevote
Riceballtail: (3) /confirm, jokevote, and a comment about falling behind on posts
Jebus: (3) /confirm, fakevote (defense of Xtomx's crazyness), comment about falling behind on posts
al4xz: (5) /confirm, supports lynching lurkers, calls out Dynamo for lurking, calls out Megatheory for lurker blockquote post,
Wall-E: (6) /confirm, jokevotes, suggests lurkers are fair game for first few days, calls out Scummy, calls out Shanba's gameplay, refutes BlackAddr's attack on SirT
RestFermata: (6) /confirm, jokevote, against lynching lurkers, then supports individual basis lurker lynching, comment about falling behind on posts, concerned of SirT neutral stance, calls out al4xz, mentions AlabaskaJ and has no opinion on him
Slepz: (6) /confirm, jokevote, defends voting threats to lynch, not merely to pressure
Megatheory: (6) /confirm, jokevote, proposes LALurkers, defends Shanba to use votes as pressure, defends Wall-E, calls out farside22, defends self on LALurkers
fouxdufafa: (8) /confirm, jokevotes, defends vote-to-pressure, re-supports Slicey, calls out SirT on meta, calls out Xtomx on drug intake, neutral on SirT
farside22: (8) /confirm, jokevotes, defends jokevote against SirT, more jokevotes, defends defending jokevote against AlabaskaJ, calls out armlx for no detail vote, puts together a synopsis of several posts suspicious to him, calls out Surye for BW on SirT
Alabaska J: (9) /confirm, jokevotes, calls out farside22, defends armlx/SirT, calls out farside22 on jokevote defense, calls out Blackaddr by stating "read his posts"
Empking: (9) /confirm, jokevote, call out cream147 for lurker pressuring policy, more lurker policy questions, query on lack of voting, neutral on SirT, defends AlabaskaJ, inquires on Blackaddr case
Moratorium: (11) /confirm, call out Megatheory, shut up about Matlock, calls out SirT, agrees with Shanba, defends Megatheory vote, more call outs on SirT
Surye: (13) /confirm, jokevotes, defends Cream147, defends voting lurkers, calls out Blackaddr, calls out SirT, accepts SirT's answers and unvotes, defends SirT, calls out Blackaddr and defends Shanba's posting style
Cream147: (15) /confirm, calls out AlabaskaJ, attacks LAL meta, supports Megatheory on lynching lurkers, defends vote-to-pressure, supports fouxdufafa, defends Wall-E
BlakAdder: (22) late arrival, call out Cream147, defends lynching lurkers, suspects Cream or SirT, call out SirT for lack of content, calls out Shanba for vote posting style, extensive replies between BlackAddr and SirT/Shanba.
Shanba: (22) /confirm, does not support lynching lurkers, does not support vote-to-pressure, gold standard wut, defends Megatheory, calls out Blackaddr, calls out SirT for defending Moratorium, defends SirT against Moratorium for meta, calls out Blackaddr again, refuses to explain vote then explains vote
armlx: (30) /confirm, defends LAL, calls out SirT for attacking random vote, accepts SirT's answer and unvotes, calls out AlabaskaJ, neutral on SirT, unvotes AlabaskaJ on lack of support, asks Blackaddr for opinion, sustains drug-fueled onslaught from wife Xtoxm, calls out Megatheory, attacks LaL, asks Wall-E for opinion, calls out Shanba for vote posting style
Sir Tornado: (41) /confirm, calls out farside22 for V/LA vote, calls out ManaKu for defining random stage, calls out Shanba for giving lurkers free pass, questions farside22, questions Cream147, supports attack on Megatheory, defends attacking random vote from multiple sources, calls out Empking, calls out Blackaddr, calls out thread for discussing lurkers, defends self from various attacks, defends self by way of meta, defends self for posting style (quotes), calls out Blackaddr, estensive replies between BlackAddr and SirT/Shanba, calls out ManaKu for topic
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fouxdulfa wrote:
I don't see how I'm "blowing things out of proportion." All I said was that it would be helpful if you explained yourself instead of telling us that your actions should be obvious. Other people have voted you for it; I didn't think it was THAT big of a deal.
But, I have already explained everything (reasonable). That is precisely the point everyone was missing.
Moratorium: What exactly was the point of that post? Are you keeping track of votes, commenting on people in the game? What did it tell you about each player and who in that did you find the scummies?
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
fouxdulfa wrote:
I don't see how I'm "blowing things out of proportion." All I said was that it would be helpful if you explained yourself instead of telling us that your actions should be obvious. Other people have voted you for it; I didn't think it was THAT big of a deal.
But, I have already explained everything (reasonable). That is precisely the point everyone was missing.
If it seems like everyone else is being unreasonable, the common denominator is you. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but don't blame everyone else for your posts causing confusion (or not, as the case may be interpreted).
@Moritorium: That's what I thought you meant. Thanks for the clarification.
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farside22 wrote:Moratorium: What exactly was the point of that post? Are you keeping track of votes, commenting on people in the game? What did it tell you about each player and who in that did you find the scummies?
The point of that post was to appear as if he were actually contributing something to the game.
farside22 wrote:Moratorium: What exactly was the point of that post? Are you keeping track of votes, commenting on people in the game? What did it tell you about each player and who in that did you find the scummies?
The point of that post was to appear as if he were actually contributing something to the game.
Geez thanks for your help? Didn't think of that myself.
I was trying to get more out of him because I dislike people who do that.
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
farside22 wrote:Moratorium: What exactly was the point of that post? Are you keeping track of votes, commenting on people in the game? What did it tell you about each player and who in that did you find the scummies?
The point of that post was to appear as if he were actually contributing something to the game.
I strongly consider a PBPA to be participation. He's not obligated to share his thoughts, but simply showing that he's read the thread increases his esteem in my eyes. What more do you want? Ask him directly if there's more you'd like from him.
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Ugh, I havn't had the time to look at each player and actually come up with a "what do i think about this".. doing this was enough of a chore.
I did it more just to get an idea of the various associations so far, vote timing, etc. There's been a lot of junk posting in this thread IMO, and I'm trying to get a better handle on the possible cliques. And those of you who are all up in the lurker's grills get that info as well.
More information is good. I havn't played in a game this large before so i imagine one aspect that will get in the way of town is getting through the clutter, having 16 different conversations going on at once, etc.
I consider it more of a reference for later than some sort of "Hey guys, I have the answer to everything!" thing.
Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.
farside22 wrote:Moratorium: What exactly was the point of that post? Are you keeping track of votes, commenting on people in the game? What did it tell you about each player and who in that did you find the scummies?
The point of that post was to appear as if he were actually contributing something to the game.
Posting that was contributing more than some other players have. And it helps with Post Counts and voting patterns which means he took the time to read the thread.
