Mini 666 - This Could Be Mafia - MOD ABANDONED

Muerrto · Post Post #250 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:22 pm

Have you noticed you've stopped scumhunting completely recently Tajo?

You're also still pointing OMGUS fingers.

Care to try again?

fuzzylightning · Post Post #251 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:51 pm

By asking a question like who believes my claim and who doesn't, you are dividing the town. Some people will naturally believe your claim, while others won't. Personally I don't believe it because it is hard to prove and therefore an easy claim to make.

As for why we aren't suspecting TonyMontana or Muerrto, for me at least, its because you have the main case against you. My focus is on you right now, I am reading there posts yes, but you are the main person in my sights and until you prove to me that you really are town, by providing a decent, civil defense to the cases against you, then I will not look elsewhere until you are lynched. However, that does not mean that I am not suspicious of any of their actions, but those will be dealt with in due time.

In the event that you possibly are town, I will look at the people who pushed hard for your lynch and those who had suspicious interactions with you. However, if, as I believe, you come up as scum, then I think there is a strong chance that Grimmy is a scumbuddy. So in the end my vote is fine right where it is.

TonyMontana · Post Post #252 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:42 pm

Falcone wrote: Why did you vote for populartajo then?

Why do you believe the claim?

Bandwaggoning.

Well, I guess the fact that a line from his claim was identical (As in word for word) to my own town role was what I took notice of first. It's somewhat of a common phrase for pro-town role PMs, and I'm unsure of if you could assume it's being used, judging from what you get as a scum.

Muerrto · Post Post #253 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:24 am

TonyMontana wrote:Well, I guess the fact that a line from his claim was identical (As in word for word) to my own town role was what I took notice of first. It's somewhat of a common phrase for pro-town role PMs, and I'm unsure of if you could assume it's being used, judging from what you get as a scum.

All threats to the town eliminated? That's kind of standard in most mafia games.

TonyMontana · Post Post #254 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:20 am

Yeah, I kinda thought that, but i did a quick survey of like 5 mini games, and only found 1 instance of it being used.

So it may be regularly used, but it's not a safe bet.

populartajo · Post Post #255 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:44 am

Muerrto wrote:Have you noticed you've stopped scumhunting completely recently Tajo?

You're also still pointing OMGUS fingers.

Care to try again?

Except that Im not doing that. If I were OMGUSing, all players here would be scum.
And Im defending myself and Im scumhunting. Hard things to do when all my decent atacks are considered OMGUS because probably all the town is against me?

Tony isnt scum BTW.
Muerrto, what about if you just claim scum? Whats your win condition?

populartajo · Post Post #256 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:33 am

fuzzylightning wrote:In the event that you possibly are town, I will look at the people who pushed hard for your lynch and those who had suspicious interactions with you.

Like you?

I would like to have more time to destroy your arguments but today is a busy day. Wait till the weekend.

ShadowGirl · Post Post #257 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:25 am

Muerrto wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:Well, I guess the fact that a line from his claim was identical (As in word for word) to my own town role was what I took notice of first. It's somewhat of a common phrase for pro-town role PMs, and I'm unsure of if you could assume it's being used, judging from what you get as a scum.

It does sound pretty standard. :/

Still, mine was worded much the same.

populartajo · Post Post #258 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:14 am

Thats why I asked who believed and who didnt believe my claim. Apparently Muerrto has another win condition...

ShadowGirl · Post Post #259 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:17 am

populartajo wrote:Thats why I asked who believed and who didnt believe my claim. Apparently Muerrto has another win condition...

Because he doesn't agree that said single line in your pm proves you to be town?

skitzer · Post Post #260 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:32 am

A prod zooms towards Grimmy from high in the sky...and hits a rock hard cloud.

Vote Count Equations At the Moment:

populartajo = +nhat+fuzzylightning+Erg0+Battousai = 4
Grimmy = +Vivian Darkblaam+Falcone+Voodo-Grimmy = 2
Erg0 = +populartajo = 1
Falcone = +Erg0 = 1
Muerrto = = 0
Vivian Darkblaam = = 0
Voodo = = 0
Battousai = = 0
fuzzylightning = = 0
ShadowGirl = = 0
nhat = = 0
TonyMontana = = 0
Jimmybot = -Vivian Darkblaam-Erg0-ShadowGirl = -3

Not Voting = -Battousai-Falcone-fuzzylightning+Grimmy-Muerrto-populartajo+ShadowGirl-Voodo-nhat-TonyMontana+TonyMontana = -5

FoS Count:

Falcone has pointed two fingers of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at Timeater!
Voodo has pointed a finger of suspicion at Grimmy!
Falcone has pointed a finger of suspicion at Battousai!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at Voodo!
Falcone has pointed a finger of suspicion at populartajo!

Note: The win condition may not be the same for all playerfs.

populartajo · Post Post #261 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:39 am

ShadowGirl wrote:
populartajo wrote:Thats why I asked who believed and who didnt believe my claim. Apparently Muerrto has another win condition...
Because he doesn't agree that said single line in your pm proves you to be town?

When did I say that?

ShadowGirl · Post Post #262 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:40 am

populartajo wrote:
ShadowGirl wrote:
populartajo wrote:Thats why I asked who believed and who didnt believe my claim. Apparently Muerrto has another win condition...
Because he doesn't agree that said single line in your pm proves you to be town?
When did I say that?

I didn't say you did. I'm asking you.

populartajo · Post Post #263 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:47 am

It only proves that Muerrto has another win condition and that Tony and apparently you share mine. Therefore Tony and prob you are pretty much town in my eyes.

Battousai · Post Post #264 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:29 pm

That's what mine says! Am I town because I just said that?

populartajo · Post Post #265 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:34 pm

Battousai wrote:That's what mine says! Am I town because I just said that?

What does this post try to accomplish?

Battousai · Post Post #266 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:37 pm

It points out that you're baseing people's innocence on them just saying they have the same win condition as you.

Muerrto · Post Post #267 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:38 pm

populartajo wrote:It only proves that Muerrto has another win condition

Wait this is too fun. Everyone back off a sec and let him explain how what I said above proves I don't have it...even though I knew the line he was referencing above I obv don't have it on my PM.

Go ahead.

populartajo · Post Post #268 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:03 pm

Battousai wrote:It points out that you're baseing people's innocence on them just saying they have the same win condition as you.

No I dont. Im basing innocences in their REACTIONS to my claim. Tony unvoted me quickly because he has the same win condition. Therefore he's town in my eyes.
Not too sure about Shadowgirl, since her reaction was after a while and could have been crafted, but for now and knowing her style, she's pretty much confirmed in MY EYES.

Muerrto wrote:
populartajo wrote:It only proves that Muerrto has another win condition
Wait this is too fun. Everyone back off a sec and let him explain how what I said above proves I don't have it...even though I knew the line he was referencing above I obv don't have it on my PM.

Go ahead.

Rephrase.
And your win condition again?

Muerrto · Post Post #269 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:10 pm

I could win when all threats to the town are eliminated

It's 'this could be mafia'.

Duh.

Would you like to try and post some content? You haven't for about 3 pages now ever since you've come under fire.

Battousai · Post Post #270 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:15 pm

what's the difference between baseing innocence over confirmed in your eyes?

populartajo · Post Post #271 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:55 pm

Muerrto wrote:I could win when all threats to the town are eliminated

It's 'this could be mafia'.

Duh.

Would you like to try and post some content? You haven't for about 3 pages now ever since you've come under fire.

Said the hypocrite.
I already did a player analysis. What about you?
One question, if you have the same win condition, why do you think Im scum?

Batto, this is simple. Tony oddly unvoted me because he has the same win condition. Therefore he's town because I have the same win condition (town).

fuzzylightning · Post Post #272 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:21 pm

That is a bunch of rubbish. Anyone could say that they have that win condition. Its a standard win condition for town, with the obvious flavor that skitzer has put in for this game, not really all that hard to guess. And basing someone's innocence off their reaction to your claim, that's making a huge leap. I know people who will automatically unvote at a claim of a town PR, whether it is real or not, so I don't think that is valid.

populartajo · Post Post #273 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:18 pm

This is the point:
I make a claim. I add my win condition. (According to Tony only 1 of 5 mini games he looked had the same win condition*)
Tony ODDLY unvotes.
He later explains he did it because he had the same win condition.
If he were scum or if he didnt have the same win condition he wouldnt have said this.
Im not basing his innocence in the fact that he has the same win condition I have. Im basing his innocence in the reaction to my claim. Its a protown reaction. Notice the difference between he (town in my eyes), Shadowgirl (apparently town in my eyes) and Muerrto (not so much town in my eyes).
All three claim to have the same win condition.

*I did a bit of research and I found that "You could win when all threats to the town are eliminated" is somewhat common (but NOT STANDARD) in some threads.
Here's a random sample of 6 win conditions of 6 different games.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one protown player remains alive.

You’re a townie. A townie that can vote and get shot.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated

You win with and are aligned to the town, and win when any and all anti-town forces are eliminated.

You are a Council Member. You have no special abilities except your vote and your intellect. Try to lynch Mafia, and you will win the game.

win condition: all Mafia-aligned players are dead

Falcone · Post Post #274 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:03 pm

I'm willing to test this.

Positive unvote: Grimmy
Positive vote: Muerrto