DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[SirCakez]

Votecount 3.11

samantha97 (2) - The Church of Skitter, Bell
JohnnyFarrar (2) - DeasVail, samantha97
innocentvillager (1) - Save The Dragons
Toogeloo (1) - Cephrir
Titus (1) - gorilla

Not Voting [7] - Toogeloo, JohnnyFarrar, joqiza, marry, Titus, innocentvillager, Vaxkiller

(expired on 2021-05-28 14:10:00) remain until day end

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a majority.

Projected Impact Times:
samantha97: (expired on 2021-05-20 20:22:00)
joqiza: (expired on 2021-05-20 23:11:00)
Intercept: (expired on 2021-05-20 07:42:00)

[SirCakez]

[MCMAW SYSTEM] Attention Taskforce members, this is Command.

Soldier marry has not responded to inquiries. We will draft a new cadet to serve in their position.

Carry on soldiers.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Lol all these missiles and nobody dies.

So I wanna help, town, but i'm genuinely unsure how at this juncture. I feel like the most helpful thing I can do is die, which sucks because it doesn't actually help or solve anything

[joqiza]

Nominally I'm fine with joqiza living another day because that's still an extra nuke in play when we start winnowing things down.

If this is your logic for keeping me alive, wouldn't it apply to Titus as well?

[gorilla]

Gotta flip someone, right? I think there's some utility in keeping DV around and the only other option would be...IV, which to me is decidedly meh at that moment.

[samantha97]

there's accountability with titus though

you'd have to have joqiza nuke first

[joqiza]

Yea I am technically the more dangerous role to keep around as I have the option to lie about who I'm nuking in some endgame situations maybe.

Idk I'm not arguing to get limmed I just felt obligated to point out my warhead capability doesn't really work as justification to lim her over me

[gorilla]

That's not justification for the vote as much as it is me being fine with the intercept for the time being even though I cased you a few pages back

[joqiza]

Ah okay

[gorilla]

Eh I could vote IV still

[joqiza]

I'm not 100% sure--someone work through the math, but I think if you're determined to resolve in that 2.4 counterwagon, then there's a mechanical argument to lim IV.

Like first of all I don't think covert ops has much utility at this point. Given it just stops nukes and we want resolves.

Also leaving me/Titus alive isn't that dangerous even if you think we're scum because unless they kill DV, he's able to shoot down a retaliatory nuke.

Like basically the crux of the argument would be that me as inno or Titus as an inno is better than IV as an inno because we're dayvigs. And leaving mafia dayvig alive isn't quite as dangerous because DV has to shoot down any nukes on other conftown slots or else he scumclaims.

There might even be an objective argument to: lim IV, vax checks outside, and me and Titus just self resolve each other tomorrow. Obviously I don't like that in terms of my role pm / reads but that nearly resolves the whole counterwagon if that's the goal, and even if me/IV/Titus all town you'd still have a check outside on a silo from Vax.

I'm getting in over my head but I'm pretty sure check on silo is ++town. Assuming certain things like Vax town.

[joqiza]

I'm also counting myself as a silo here, but I guess I'm technically more like a spicy silo.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: titus

[samantha97]

you should not let someone with the ability to intercept nukes go to the next day

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: innovent cillager

[joqiza]

you should not let someone with the ability to intercept nukes go to the next day

Why not? What am I missing?

[JohnnyFarrar]

If they're bad?

[joqiza]

Can't we just say "hey DV tomorrow you're only allowed to use your intercept on gorilla, Bell, Vax, Vax's clear" or whatever, you can pick and choose, and if he goes against that it's a scumclaim? Like what's he gonna do? If he's Russian it means they only got one silo left max.

[joqiza]

When I say "use intercept on" I mean save them, to clarify

[gorilla]

Nooks still in play: church, johnny, STD, Cephrir, Titus, gorilla, joqiza. That's 7 total.

marry's slot is either a silo or exactly radar. I would expect the NKs to be toogeloo and a player with a silo. That takes us to 11 alive, with 6 nukes we can bring the number down to 5. We eliminate a vig today and that number goes up to 6 which feels less ideal. I think leaving the most vigs around is the proper mechanical play here.

[gorilla]

(because of course my mechanical play in defcon 3.0 was stellar and definitely did not lose the game but for a modkill because pooky tried to execute a fake nuke)

[samantha97]

if there was another nuke who would you nuke

[joqiza]

Ugh I know I just made that whole argument but now I'm remembering some Koto posts about Mognet that really did not read partnered

[joqiza]

Okay here are my mech thoughts as bullet points:

1) I think Vax should check a silo claim, whether it's on wagon, off wagon, whatever but resolving those slots is super +town imo because of how powerful they are.

2) Toog goes on Vax obviously.

3) I think if IV doesn't get limmed then he should ONLY use his role to go on a non-silo claim, if I'm understanding how it works correctly? That way he only affects a terrorist who has a hidden silo and doesn't interfere with anything else, if he goes on a silo I think it's a scumclaim.

4) I think maybe there's some merit to just having a pool of people (maybe even limited to Vax/Vax's clear) that DV's allowed to intercept for tomorrow?

5) Despite the mechanical argument I made, which I still stand by, that it's better to leave silos alive, I do think we're more likely to hit scum in the silo claims.

[The Church of Skitter]

the joqiza nuke got stopped lets gooooooooo