Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[T-Bone]

So ironically thinking the worst of his personality might make him townie. That's ultra meta.

Yeh no matter what I feel like I would've gotten him elimed last game too like this. And that was with Bingle holding him back. Ana is MUCH more passive so he has free rein of that pair.

The unfortunate news here Tbone is I guess if both the other lover pairs think your the evil party you gotta rely on all 3 VTs instead. Or maybe convince Ana to see reason. Because I trust you and now VFP by proxy, and if you think it's Bingle/Kerset then they win if you die cuz Ration sure as heck won't beat them in a 2v1.

We can go back to the VTs first instead but that'll just end with Ration tunneling me again and if he's the town pair it's GG. So yeh.

Maybe get rid of Ration for the variable since that seems the safest? Then it's you and VFP against Kerset and Bingle and you can convince the other VT your right. Best case scenario Ration is the evil guy. Worst case we get a fighting chance.

Yeah, well, gonna let VFP catch up and we'll go from there. I can't help that one of the town lover pairs is scumreading me at the moment. Either way we're playing two games of 2v1, we essentially need all the town players to find each other and agree regardless of which pool we eliminate in, and right now that's not happening. There's no incentive for scum to bus in this set-up. Just as I refuse to eliminate you and vise versa, scum can do the same under the guise of mutual town reads (which is what some of them are thinking between us, and rightly so). I'm hoping that VFP finds something I haven't considered.

[Kerset]

Playerlist

T-Bone
LlamaFluff
Kerset -> VFP
RationalMadman
Vex Vience
Bingle
Anastasia*
Klick
Bambi Jay

@mod pls don't replace me, i wont spoiler tag again

[yessiree]

VC 1.17

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Kerset (2)

- T-Bone, Bambi Jay

T-Bone (2)

- Bingle, RationalMadman

Vex Vience (1)

- LlamaFluff

Bambi Jay (1)

- Kerset

Bingle (1)

- Vex Vience

Note Voting - Anastasia, VFP

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

[RationalMadman]

I didn't read anything you posted this page I just saw a lot of words so assumed you were doing your

trick again.

Also that was auto correct.

Nani trick?

Some posts were made between this and me replying.

As for you scumreadonge it's nonsense and vwry insulting. I don't need you to telle my personality os shit to justify your incapability to actually justify a read on me as something other than convenience if I am scum (yes, you are literally saying regardless of yoyr read on me you want to vote me and Ana because it's convenient if we are scum pair that is literally your reasoning at this point and isn't how anyone trying to read from a Townie perspective reasons a move, yoy are either Scum or very poor at deducing and reasoning here and since you want to talk about how I have the worst personality and am stupid as you suggested earlier, how about Iake it very clear that you're incapable of justifying a read. All your reads all game have been substancelessness. Every single one.

Aa for VFP, they called me Radiant even in thw game over of a Newbie game I was SE in (it's over, not ongoing, so I can say it). I didn't say anything but now it's becoming a strange and petty habit.

[RationalMadman]

There's no incentive for scum to bus in this set-up.

Why?

I can think of one very obvious motive in setup with zero investigations and night phases that os entirely tells and interaction-read based. It gets the survivor (surviving pair) Townread hard in the aftermath.

[RationalMadman]

And trust me, RM is trying his damnest to convince everyone he's the scum pair

I don't understand if this is sarcasm or what it is. I am very clearly not.

[RationalMadman]

If you're town your job is honestly to convince me that Ana/RM are the scum pair.

Wrong. Bingle's job as Town lover is to Towntell and read for scum and then to vote the scumread player(s). There is absolutely nothing about him being Town that makes his responsibility to convince one Lover pair that the other is scum, he can easily instead opt to comvince the vanilla claims of this if he had a strong read as well as consider his highest priority to maintain a Towny image and keep scrutinising to determine his read.

In what world is Bingle's responsibility as a Town Lover to convince either pair the other is Scum as an only, let alone primary, objective and why specifically you that my pair is scum? How does that even follow?

[RationalMadman]

Bingle's job as Town lover is

This is not a slip before anyone tries to say a thing. This is me running thw hypothetical logic as a oresent tense 'is' not if.

[T-Bone]

Because I'm town, and if Bingle/Kerset are town, then the only choice left for scum is Ana/RM. The idea that I need to entertain the notion that I'm scum is nonsense.

[Kerset]

In post 711, T-Bone wrote:
If you're town your job is honestly to convince me that Ana/RM are the scum pair.


Wrong.

I think that Tbone post was made from his pov. From his pov he assumes that he is town and 'if' Bingle is also town then he has to prove 'that'.

For some reason Tbone posts are overfilled with such content. He loves to emphasize everywhere that his pov is town pov.

[Anastasia]

kerset if you towntell I will kill all our enemies

[Kerset]

Subject: Forum Rules and Guidelines

[*]Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises,

"trust tells"

, alliances, etc. Using

knowledge

from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

[RationalMadman]

Because I'm town, and if Bingle/Kerset are town, then the only choice left for scum is Ana/RM. The idea that I need to entertain the notion that I'm scum is nonsense.

Only choice to you or to Bingle?
How can Bingle know if he is Town?

Yoyr logic doesn't make any sense. Bingle is not responsible for your lover pair or vice versa.

[RationalMadman]

Subject: Forum Rules and Guidelines

[*]Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises,

"trust tells"

, alliances, etc. Using

knowledge

from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

I didn't use a grudge to influence. I justified saying I'm not fucking Radition. As for you bringing up a grudge with Bingle very early on, it's hypocritical to even mention. VFP and myself led Town and won the game together but VFP rederred to me as Radition constantly throughout. It was about time I corrected the error.

[Anastasia]

oh I didn't mean cheat Kerset :<

[Kerset]

lol RM it wasnt to you

[Anastasia]

He keeps trying to butt in on our private conversations :<

[Bambi Jay]

Very private convos indeed.

[Anastasia]

VERY PRIVATE

[Anastasia]

Spoiler: For Kerset Only

[T-Bone]

Sorry Ana I looked at your very private conversation.

[T-Bone]

Because I'm town, and if Bingle/Kerset are town, then the only choice left for scum is Ana/RM. The idea that I need to entertain the notion that I'm scum is nonsense.

Only choice to you or to Bingle?
How can Bingle know if he is Town?

Yoyr logic doesn't make any sense. Bingle is not responsible for your lover pair or vice versa.

I feel it is safe to assume that Bingle has read his Role PM and knows his own alignment.

[Anastasia]

I can't believe I'm supposed to be in love with this guy.

[Anastasia]

I miss Kerset

[RationalMadman]

How can Bingle know if he is Town?

Sorry, i did miss a comma. I meant to say: How can Bingle know, if he is town?