Open 810 | Aliensitter Needed! | Mafia wins

[Menalque]

Look at D2 of this game, mo:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82048

Emps/micc slot looks doomed going in

Then I switch to pushing pine instead while my buddy(bji) largely stays on him, before switching at the EoD

Then for other reasons there always seemed to be a slightly better flip than micc each following day and I took him all the way to lylo for the win. Still one of my prouder moments tbh

Post #4123 -- just read that.

wtf mena, where is that energy this game??

I just finished the most exhausting game I think I’ve ever had on site (perpetual mylo) where I was scum against pretty easily the toughest town I’ve ever faced and it left me with very little for any other games

[Menalque]

Also, by JV do you mean jacksonvirgo lmao?

yea lmao

If you’re scum kudos because you clearly care more than anyone else about winning this game, I had u p much cleared apart from that CC but honestly that’s just WIFOM anyway and was prob unnecessary for scum!you

i do that shit all the time; its nai, scumread it for me idc.

i retracted nd explained why i did it.

i will continue to cc prs now, its fun and stimulates the game.

you see how t3 finally contributed when i cced?

lmfao honestly atp, if i was scum, i would just let town win here because its sad and depressing here

and yes ur first point is valid and that's why im questioning bingle's flawed ass logic that is frustrating me and more more that either a. i dont understand it or b. bingle's logic is actually just bs

I’m still quite ill and I don’t have the mental energy to try to go through however many levels of WIFOM I’d need to to decide if it’s more likely from scum!you or town!you so I’m just townbinning you because with the numbers whittled down this much you seem like you genuinely want to solve the game?

But also, and don’t take this the wrong way, but also that you kinda express yourself weirdly/wordily enough that it’s hard for you to really build momentum on people which makes you probably not so threatening that you should be dead by now if you were town

honestly i think thats why im kept alive x.x

and yea take as much time as u need cuz honestly, i think as a top poster, ive done a lot.

nd gave my perspective/ input as town. it is up to the rest of the town to figure out if im bsing or not bsing / geninune.

scumread me but scumread me with good logic / reasoning as i always say

That’s funny, JV is not someone I particularly think of as someone with a scumgame but I guess they’ve been around a while now

If you’re scum you’ve played really well and I don’t mind losing to you but I think it makes a lot more sense if you’re just town. Like you feel solvey to me + I’m not someone it’s that worth pocketing rn + the way scum have NK’d and pushed people seems to have been with the idea of keeping as many people on that scumwagon alive as possible which also makes me think both scum were on — if it was only one scum bussing then it would have to be you and I just... don’t think it is? So I think it makes the most sense to approach this game as one where scum decided on D1 they were both gonna hardbus for the cred and then ride that into lategame

Whcih actually should maybe make gypyx a lot more worrying, the more I think about it, and with how little he’s done since

[Menalque]

Honestly I’m still disappointed pooky is town

[Menalque]

wait i just realized sum, u can answer this at ur time ; but how is my cc wifom? when i state out the options already?

im gts now, goodnight why does this feel like a discord talk now

Actually the more I think about it the less WIFOMy it is from you specifically

It would be incredibly WIFOM from a slot like me who has very little endgame equity if scum here, because then it’s like “oh maybe I get pooky limmed but if I feel the tide turning against me I can always back off the claim and say it was reaction hunting”

But actually in terms of you doing it as scum there’s probably no reason for you to? So that’s where the multiple levels of WIFOM thing comes in — there’s no point to you doing it as scum, so therefore it’s actually not a bad idea for you to do it as scum. Hence WIFOM and me not wanting to go through all the layers of “does he know that I know that he knows that I know”

Also peace, I’m gonna try to get back to sleep then

I think I can almost take another paracetamol which is hype

[Menalque]

Actually

VOTE: gypyx

Let me be damned if I’m wrong but take a look at the ISO and tell me that’s not scum coasting off a D1 bus just doing maintenance level shit while town tries to eat itself

[Menalque]

Okay, interesting that gypyx also never unvotes VFP as wagons go up on D2 to either support T3 or vote Johnny

I’m... kind of talking myself into (gypyx, T3) here? Is this madness?

[Menalque]

T3 has either got to be scum or is the hardest set up boi this year

Like A50 comes in, wagons him, gets him to L-2 with a full-town wagon

Then 3 people who were on the wagon die over the next two nights

[Menalque]

Is this actually just a game where the scumplan was “let’s hope that these people who know each other get increasingly paranoid of one another as game goes on” which would explain why it’s been so hard trying to figure out exactly what scum want to accomplish this game

[Menalque]

Meh

VOTE: T3

[Menalque]

This also like, makes a lot more sense with the dannflor kill on N1

It wasn’t a kill to remove a defender of T3 (because honestly, that’s probably unnecessary for scum to push town!T3) but it *does* make sense if gypyx is scum and Dann is one of the few people calling that — in fact maybe the only person seriously calling that at that point?

Plus it does have the nice added bonus of looking Not Great(tm) for me

[Bingle]

2nd; again, it looks like u are comparing him to from your past perception of NM (usually from past games) so why r u saying u weren't?

I am 100% comparing N_M to past games. That's literally what I said. I am saying anyone with any amount of experience with N_M can tell you N_M has put more effort into this game than any scumgame he's played. Look at Mena's characterization of N_M's scumgame. Naked voting random townies (not a hyperbolic statement). Compare that to N_M aggressively (by the standard of N_M) pushing flipped scum.

[Menalque]

Yo bingle are you town here homie

[Menalque]

And if so can you do me a solid

[Bingle]

Look at the way I cheerleadered the Drap wagon and A50's death and tell me I'm not.

Also, I probably would have shot you.

[Menalque]

Okay, let’s say you are then

Do you think there’s anything in VFP iso that screams lover babysitter? Cause I was looking and I don’t see it

I’m about to check lukewarm too, but seeing as VFP had to have been the kill it seems more likely that if it was purely for PR reasons the slip would be from their ISO, right?

[Menalque]

Also, I probably would have shot you.

...on which night?

[Bingle]

Last night.

Scum me would have had the options of you/pooky. Pooky was hardtownreading me, A50 was easily mislimmable as a "No one in this lobby can read A50 half as well as I can" and you default to a scumread on me AND can win that 1v1.

You die 10/10 games where I'm scum here and I just win.

[lendunistus]

Open 810 Official Vote Count - 4.2

T3

(2): GrandpaMo, Menalque

Menalque

(1): T3

GrandpaMo

(1): Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(3): PookyTheMagicalBear, Gypyx, Bingle

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to make someone drink energy core liquid.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-06-01 15:00:00)

[Bingle]

I’m about to check lukewarm too, but seeing as VFP had to have been the kill it seems more likely that if it was purely for PR reasons the slip would be from their ISO, right?

My guess is masonry read, tbh. I haven't looked at the map of scum/townreads, but there was likely a dwindling mason pool when they died.

[Bingle]

Actually, that's a pretty interesting angle. Who was definitely not a mason pair as of N2.

[Menalque]

There’s 385 but other than that I don’t think they said anything that damning

The reason it’s important is because among the last things they said were that they wanted a T3 flip the next day regardless of Johnny flip (which tbf lukewarm was also after if anyone was paying attention to read alignment)

But lukewarm looked much more like TPR imo (the whole CC psychologist thing) s it would be more natural to kill there if you’re just trying to PR hunt i *think*

[Menalque]

Last night.

Scum me would have had the options of you/pooky. Pooky was hardtownreading me, A50 was easily mislimmable as a "No one in this lobby can read A50 half as well as I can" and you default to a scumread on me AND can win that 1v1.

You die 10/10 games where I'm scum here and I just win.

This is so unnecessarily paranoia inducing given how out of the game I’ve been and how little threat i think I would pose scum!you but I’m going to try to ignore it at least until I have a reason to think (gypyx, t3) isn’t the solve

[Menalque]

Why for the love of Christ did you hammer Johnny there bingle

[Menalque]

Bc I see more than one team/world where you do that as scum

But i don’t get why you do it as town esp right after asking for more time

[Menalque]

Also do you agree that scum double bussed on D1?