I really don't understand the swap over either.In post 1199, Kerset wrote:I can't figure out what was even the counterwagon here. Bambi got votes after SS did, so scum didn't push SS to save her. Earlier Ana was pushed by emotional trio (bone, vfp, bambi) but they also ended up on SS.
My gut is that Bambi is the townie still. Here's why, and this gives a little insight why I felt comfortable enough to toss around the words 'confirmed town' to me.In post 1177, VFP wrote:I feel like this diverted because I was right in the lovers, but for the wrong reasons.
If Bambi is scum there's bussing.
On the spot choice in lovers would be RM/Ana but I feel that liming VT there only favours scum as a whole.
@T-Bonehow much do you favour Bambi town over Llama here? Is Bambi just set town in your eyes?
I will go over some things on both after work for reasons either are scum but I'll follow.
The only way I see Bingle as scum here is if we were a threat to not be the lim on an RM/Ana town flip. I think in that situation it favours me and you as a lim over Bingle and Kerset so it doesn't add up.
Ironically it mostly happened because I saw a post earlier during the Ration monologue I thought got posted by Tbone saying he was switching to Smart. Turns out it was a Llama post and I didn't unvote yet because I still didn't read everything since I was at work and still thought it was something those 2 wanted. That's why I asked those questions to Tbone.In post 1094, Bambi Jay wrote:Oh Tbone ain't voting Smart yet? Welp... I can still switch later when I'm not at work if something changes.
Ana doesn't care about RM readsIn post 1201, VFP wrote:I really don't understand the swap over either.In post 1199, Kerset wrote:I can't figure out what was even the counterwagon here. Bambi got votes after SS did, so scum didn't push SS to save her. Earlier Ana was pushed by emotional trio (bone, vfp, bambi) but they also ended up on SS.
I don't understand the emotional Trio comment on a side note?
It's cute that you don't understand what the word emotional means.In post 1207, Kerset wrote:Ana doesn't care about RM reads
Bingle doesn't care about my reads
RM doesn't care about Ana reads
I don't care about Bingle reads
SS didn't care about making any reads
Llama thinks independently
and then there is your trio, which follows each other bc friendship is magic
I have no experience with Llama scum.In post 1208, Kerset wrote:VFP how familiar are you with llama?
In fairness I was wrong there too.In post 1204, T-Bone wrote:Also I was wrong on SS, I'm not so arrogant that I wouldn't reconsider my read on the two players in question entirely. It's something we'll have to work through over these next few days, VFP.
I respect all players.In post 1211, Kerset wrote:but do you respect him as a player like ana?
If its RM/Ana... wouldnt it have been the worst possible thing for me as scum to flip it away from that pair after trying to redirect it there are deadline? Its already now proven and was likely that SS was the first from the VT pool to go, and if we move back to this same scenario with RM/Ana scum already dead it pretty much means I would win right?In post 1203, T-Bone wrote:I think Llama essentially flipping the game away from perhaps the correct elimination to an incorrect one is more suspect. The only thing that gives me pause is that Llama puts themselves at risk to be the Day 2 lim. But it's also the type of thing I'd do as solo scum I think, as Day 3 is MyLo if we get there, and scum lovers have a slightly better EV I think than solo scum in that situation.
So for me I have two minds. Is Bambi pocketing me, or is Llama making the play I think I'd make as scum in his position?
Why llama never gives ideas like this? Everyone shares some creativity with us expect of llama, who only fights arguments.In post 1215, Bambi Jay wrote:This is most based on the fact that Ration and Ana are divided by me and Llama who we now know is one town one scum. Bingle and Kerset divided between Smart/Vex and me, who from my perspective is town/town since I know I'm town and Smart flipped.
Sure both the other Lovers are divided but the other 2 Are divided between scum and town. Kerset and Bingle are divided by Town and Town votes. So it has to be Kerset and Bingle because scum don't divide so easily against one of their own but they CAN split and attack both VTs while leaving their partner alone.
Well it's a continuation of the question I posed yesterday. Why couldn't we eliminate one of the lover pairs, but we could eliminate S_S?In post 1212, VFP wrote:In fairness I was wrong there too.In post 1204, T-Bone wrote:Also I was wrong on SS, I'm not so arrogant that I wouldn't reconsider my read on the two players in question entirely. It's something we'll have to work through over these next few days, VFP.
My main reasons to Swapping were because of your vote, SS most likely being scum, and I wasn't sure if I'd be on at all in the six hours.
So with your Bambi read, I'm happy with it. There was something Kersel said that I was thinking over but I'll find and post it once I'm free.
The thing with Llama was the vote onto Ana when no votes were there.
Once I changed my view and voted Llama unvotes (may have been after your vote too, I need to read and clarify).
Then next thing I know, Llama is joining into the VTs (well, SS)
I really need to go through exactly what happened and why but what's your view on all of that?
You can wait until tonight for me to go through it properly if easier though.
You gotta do what you gotta do and I don't begrudge it. But we can't ignore that what happened, happened. I recognize that whoever is town among the VTs knows they've got a 50-50 shot just like I do with the lovers. So you don't need to try and shoot that angle, I recognize it.In post 1214, LlamaFluff wrote:If its RM/Ana... wouldnt it have been the worst possible thing for me as scum to flip it away from that pair after trying to redirect it there are deadline? Its already now proven and was likely that SS was the first from the VT pool to go, and if we move back to this same scenario with RM/Ana scum already dead it pretty much means I would win right?In post 1203, T-Bone wrote:I think Llama essentially flipping the game away from perhaps the correct elimination to an incorrect one is more suspect. The only thing that gives me pause is that Llama puts themselves at risk to be the Day 2 lim. But it's also the type of thing I'd do as solo scum I think, as Day 3 is MyLo if we get there, and scum lovers have a slightly better EV I think than solo scum in that situation.
So for me I have two minds. Is Bambi pocketing me, or is Llama making the play I think I'd make as scum in his position?
Instead we get this scenario where at least one player who has to be VT has already expressed they would vote me over Bambi.
Vote Bambi
Why are you complimenting me I called you evil? Nani.In post 1216, Kerset wrote:Why llama never gives ideas like this? Everyone shares some creativity with us expect of llama, who only fights arguments.In post 1215, Bambi Jay wrote:This is most based on the fact that Ration and Ana are divided by me and Llama who we now know is one town one scum. Bingle and Kerset divided between Smart/Vex and me, who from my perspective is town/town since I know I'm town and Smart flipped.
Sure both the other Lovers are divided but the other 2 Are divided between scum and town. Kerset and Bingle are divided by Town and Town votes. So it has to be Kerset and Bingle because scum don't divide so easily against one of their own but they CAN split and attack both VTs while leaving their partner alone.
Why isn't the solution the same pair with Bambi?In post 1190, Anastasia wrote:the solution is just Llama - T-Bone - VFP
The second part of this is a delusion both you and Llama seem to have. I have not in any shape or form played 'against Ana' and other than being inactive, she hasn't played against me.In post 1215, Bambi Jay wrote:They save Ration and Ana because Ration has been on my ass this entire game and that gets 4 votes on me. Literally RM and Ana are playing against each other so it depends on who gets 4 votes first.
This is false. The only times she's outed reads, I have cared and engaged her.In post 1207, Kerset wrote:RM doesn't care about Ana reads
Well we were obviously wrong on one of the 2 pairs during the timing of voting.In post 1217, T-Bone wrote:Well it's a continuation of the question I posed yesterday. Why couldn't we eliminate one of the lover pairs, but we could eliminate S_S?
Depends on your pair and how deeply confident you were that your pair won the following day's vote-off.In post 1214, LlamaFluff wrote:wouldnt it have been the worst possible thing for me as scum to flip it away from that pair after trying to redirect it there are deadline? Its already now proven and was likely that SS was the first from the VT pool to go, and if we move back to this same scenario with RM/Ana scum already dead it pretty much means I would win right?
