Mafia 85 - Murder at the Bus Stop (game over)


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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:15 am

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Watching


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Slicey (8): Wall-E, Shanba, Jebus, armlx, Surye, farside22, Riceballtail, Moratorium
Surye (3): Demon Pineapple, Megatheory, Sir Tornado
Empking (2): RestFermata, Slicey
Megatheory (1): Alabaska J
Wall-E (1): Mana_Ku
Sir Tornado (1): BlakAdder
Cream147 (1): Empking
farside22 (1): martin413
armlx (1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1): killa seven

Not voting (5): al4xz, Azuma, Cream147, Slepz, ace1217

With 25 alive it's 13 to lynch.
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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:30 am

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This is feeling like the standard fakeclaim-crafting delay.
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:38 am

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I hope it's some really fucked up crazy roleclaim, I want to be entertained.

Pick something at random out of the "Worst Roles" thread in the Mafia Discussion section.

Be creative!
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:41 am

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Mod edit
Votecount:
Slicey (8): Wall-E, Shanba, Jebus, armlx, Surye, farside22, Riceballtail, Moratorium
Surye (3): Demon Pineapple, Megatheory, Sir Tornado
Empking (2): RestFermata, Slicey
Megatheory (1): Alabaska J
Wall-E (1): Mana_Ku
Sir Tornado (1): BlakAdder
Cream147 (1): Empking
farside22 (1): martin413
armlx (1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1): killa seven

Not voting (5): al4xz, Azuma, Cream147, Slepz, ace1217

With 25 alive it's 13 to lynch.

Yeah this is nowhere near L-1.
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:44 am

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Unvote


Vote: Slicy


Everyone has said it better than I could. Making a BS case against a player is a final nail on the coffin.

Don't claim.
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:47 am

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Wow, I must really be playing bad XD

Anyway, to make Moratorium happy, I'm the politician.

But in all seriousness, I'm just a regular vanilla townie.
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:48 am

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Okay, we're at L-3 now then.

Who doesn't have a problem with him making a deliberate case against a player that is absolutly false, so false that it would be unreasonable to think he was just "mistaken". (Take a look at Emp in isolation if you don't think this is the case, seriously.)
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:29 am

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Sorry I've been gone for so long, school's been a bitch.
vote: Slicey
for the same reasons as everyone else.
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:16 am

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Slicey wrote:
armlx wrote:What leads you to suspect Emp more then BA?
By the way he is posting, it looks like's trying to get a quick lynch, and he doesn't really care who it is as long as it isn't himself. Plus, he's contributed next to nothing in this game. All of his posts have been about a sentence or two. >_>
Empking wrote:Mind backing the first point. The sond point, I'm pretty sure that that's more than some people. The third point is my play style.

I found no evidence of the first point (pushing for a quck lynch) anywhere in the thread. Empking never pushed for a quick lynch.

I found no evidence of the second point (doesn't care who it is) anywhere in the thread. Empking never said this, nor did he exhibit behavior to suggest it.

I find Empking's participation satisfactory. He states his opinions on BWs and issues discussed without delving too deeply into the discussion. Provided he also answers questions thrown at him, he's playing just fine IMO.
Empking (@ Slicey?) wrote:If you are on L-1 please claim.
Empking @ Slicey wrote:Don't claim.

What's up with the change?

Devil's Advocate mode activate: Slicey, why did you make the accusations I quoted and bolded? Can you explain them? I'll unvote you if you can do so convincingly.
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:32 pm

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Slicey's caving in to armlx looks like classic noobscum to me.

Also noobtown is usually EXTREMELY frustrated at this point. Acceptance is much more typical of noobscum. Just my two cents, and my vote.

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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:44 pm

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Alabaska J wrote:@Megatheory: read Surye's posts defending himself. I agree with him.
That's awfully lazy. If you find me so suspicious that I deserve a vote, why aren't you explaining yourself, pushing me, and trying to figure out if I'm really scum or not?
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MT wrote: Your thoughs about Sir T's meta didn't come until after you had unvoted so you can't really use that as an explanation for why you unvoted.
Really? You only get one shot? I'll keep that in mind. Discussions are not necessary, since you only get one post.

The rest of your post hinges on that, so I don't have a response to such nonsense. His meta game supports his non-play.

Since you all are harping on the pretending to play, I assure you that you're all getting tunnel vision no this fact. Look at the post I quoted in the vote. It's pretending to play, 100%. It's participating because he's told to. Now, how much did I invest in this? Did I lead the charge to have him lynched? No. Did I then proceed to follow the discussion on why he would do that, then weigh in, and unvote? Yes.

You're being so ridiculous.
No, you aren't restricted to "one shot," or whatever you're implying here. You're saying that you unvoted him because of his meta, but that isn't really explicit in your unvote post. It looks to me like you grafted his meta onto your reasons for unvoting.

That said, I'm not really convinced that you're scum. There are a few things that caught my attention, but nothing looks scummy enough for me, so
Unvote
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unvote

vote Surye


I hope atleast a few people see what I see.
Oh hell, not this again.

Look, if people aren't going to put reasons behind their votes, we're never going to catch scum. The game is too big for people to not mention what they are seeing.
Shanba wrote:Meh, so be it. I'm not trying to be helpful, I'm trying to prove a point.
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Annoying != scummy. When are people going to finally understand this?
Shanba wrote:...I'm voting Slicey because of his tentative posting.
Hmm.... not really much to comment on. EmpKing looks pretty suspicious right now, I don't like how he was trying to get everyone to vote.
Hmm... BlakAdder looks suspicious to me, mainly cause I feel like he's attacking Sir T for the way he posts, which I don't like.
he's said he's suspicious of EmpKing and Blakadder, but has yet to place a single vote. He explains this by saying: "I don't think one somewhat scummy post automatically makes them scum. And I don't like unvoting and voting like crazy, unless it's the random voting phase", which is fair enough, but that's only part of what I find scummy. So far, he has said "Hmm..." twice, ">_>" (and variants) 4 times. He feels nervous. When he's asking Wall-E why he's voting for him, he adds "Just curious." at the end, as if he's afraid asking will get him into trouble. This might be excusable if he were a newbie, but he's posting meta opinions like:
I don't like unvoting and voting like crazy, unless it's the random voting phase
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I'd say pressure people that seem scummy. If you think lurking is a scumtactic, well that's what you think. Evetually, they will have to post though, and we'll see if those posts seem scummy
which indicate that he has a certain amount of mafia experience. Compare with my posting in Basic twelve player mafia, where I was scum. By the end of that game, I was horrifically nervous, and it was showing through in my posts, and the "defeatist" attitude was the reason most of the town had deduced I was scum.
This is a really good case. I got the same general vibe when I caught that unvote and FoS post of his. I'll take a look at him once I"m caught up.

Wow, that Slicey wagon grew incredibly fast. Do we really want to play "lynch the n00b" today?
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:36 pm

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L-1 ... this is usually where we would call for a claim... but we got Vanilla... so... any last words Slicey? You've seem to make no attempt to defend yourself AT ALL. You've not answered to a single thing I or anyone has posted, and you have had the opportunity since you posted your claim and your "I'm doomed! LOL!" post.

I agree with Ala here, he is trying to pull off nonchalant, and that's so noobscum it hurts.
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:51 pm

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I'd just like to note this wagon moved way too fast to not be scum powered in some way, regardless of Slicey's alignment.
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:10 pm

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armlx wrote:I'd just like to note this wagon moved way too fast to not be scum powered in some way, regardless of Slicey's alignment.
I've seen mafia bus their partners on the early half of a BW only to watch in horror as the BW went to lynch. In fact, it's happened to ME before.
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:33 pm

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Slicey was an easy lynch if he is town, and a liability if he is scum in this scenario, so either way it was optimal for scum to bus/wagon him. That was my point.
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:07 pm

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Well, this is an interesting wagon. I could see so many of these votes as scumvotes (notably BlakAdder, but that could just be confirmation bias.)

I'm relatively happy with a Slicey lynch.
You obviously don't know me, but if you did, then you would know I use ">_>" a lot. And I mean A LOT. Like, once every post. I have limited mafia experience at another forum, but I am a little nervous, considering this is my first mafia game here. And the "hmm...'s", well, I really don't know why I put them there. I just did. I didn't even realize I did it twice. I am playing a little tentative, but that's cause this is my first game here, and where I play, it's much less serious (dead people are allowed to talk as much as they want, as long as they don't reveal any info, for example.)
Well, not knowing you is a given, seeing as you've got about 25 posts to your name so far. hard to meta off that :P

Thing is, I reckon scum are more likely to be nervous than town in their first game. Scum know that if they mess up, that's what, in a game like this, about a quarter of the team gone? Maybe a fifth. If a townie messes up, he just wastes the town a lynch, and possibly exposes eager scum while he's at it. It's true, too, that you seem to be cracking under a pressure, but cracking like a scum rather than like a townie.

If you are town, the most important thing for you to do right now is to get down all your thoughts about the game, since you're unlikely to have another opportunity.
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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:10 pm

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Wall-E wrote:
Slicey wrote:
armlx wrote:
Empking (@ Slicey?) wrote:If you are on L-1 please claim.
Empking @ Slicey wrote:Don't claim.

What's up with the change?

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Their was no change. He wasn't at L-1 so I didn't want him to claim.
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:13 pm

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Ok. Thanks.
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:50 pm

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armlx wrote:I'd just like to note this wagon moved way too fast to not be scum powered in some way, regardless of Slicey's alignment.
This is right. Not that I don't agree with the reasoning on him, I do, but this bandwagon clearly has some scum behind it.
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:32 pm

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Or a lot of townies who are desperate to get some infrmation after 17 pages of discussion...

Ignore me. I always play devil's advocate.
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:50 pm

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Wall-E's last post was strange.
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:48 pm

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Can you elaborate?
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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:45 am

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Why would you bother stating something then ask us to ignore you?
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:52 am

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Because as I typed it I realized I didn't really believe it.
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:04 am

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Then why bother posting it?
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