Micro 1013: IMoA [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.18

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-01 17:15:00).

execution

sang froid [2]:

Sigmund, Iconeum

Moongrass [2]:

sang froid, northsidegal

VFP [1]:

Andresvmb

Iconeum [1]:

UneveN

Andresvmb [1]:

Moongrass

Something_Smart [1]:

VFP

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

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Spoiler:

[sang froid]

Justify your work. What felt pre-determined and what about my talk about the predecessor was reminiscent of mafia play?

Your conclusions with regards to both me and Sigmund felt like they were made before the catchup and the purpose of the catchup was to justify them. I have noticed players replacing into mafia slots sometimes say their predecessor was very unideal -or- that they were most excellent ('so sad i'm replacing this slot, want to hydra sometime') and players replacing into town slots mostly ignore that their predecessors ever existed. There may be a sample size issue to that but it is something I noted at some point.

Okay, but why? What actually makes them seem like they were pre-determined other than those being my reads? Because it feels like you’re taking “sang froid is pushing me and Sigmund” to mean that I’d already decided on that. (You’re also wildly overestimating how much effort I would put into a fake catchup as scum, but that’s neither here nor there.)

As for the other thing... yes, that’s a terrible metric. I will basically always comment on my predecessor if they posted a reasonable amount of content. Some players always do, some never do, maybe a handful do it more as scum? But this is so weak that it’s hard to buy you really using it as the basis of a read

[UneveN]

Okay, but why? What actually makes them seem like they were pre-determined other than those being my reads?

It didn't feel like your reasoning with regards to me added up to a scumread. It was a post that I provided the context of it not actually being 'solving' by ta vera that I was drawing attention to and otherwise you simply saying things like 'doesn't impress'. Like to me it felt like your conclusion was always going to be 'UneveN is mafia' and that you just included things in the catchup to explain that.

[UneveN]

It didn't feel like your reasoning with regards to me added up to a scumread. It was a post that I provided the context of it not actually being 'solving' by ta vera that I was drawing attention to and otherwise you simply saying things like 'doesn't impress'. Like to me it felt like your conclusion was always going to be 'UneveN is mafia' and that you just included things in the catchup to explain that.

Maybe(?) if I was confident Iconeum was town I would give more credit to the effort put into the catchup? But as it is it felt like much of the effort was a 'progression' with regards to Iconeum and justification for scumreads of me and Sigmund. Or so that is how it feels to me.

[Moongrass]

Claiming that all of your analysis is going to be surface level is Scummy - I know you can do a lot better than that.

I know, I’m being somewhat vague about how I feel about players but I don’t know that I have much to say yet. For those of you who don’t know me, I’m a bit of a slow starter. And I already know my early reads are bad so there’s that too.

Scum tend to pick out reasons to scumread town based on their own self-awareness in my experience.

Andre accuses Ico of providing excuses for subpar townplay but provided a similar smokescreen himself.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Iconeum

Hey all. It’s good to be here.

If I'm right about Andre, consider this proof that the "greetings tell" is very much alive.

[sang froid]

VOTE: andres

[sang froid]

The greetings tell has never been a thing lol

[Moongrass]

It has here, perhaps before your time.

[sang froid]

Okay, but why? What actually makes them seem like they were pre-determined other than those being my reads?

It didn't feel like your reasoning with regards to me added up to a scumread. It was a post that I provided the context of it not actually being 'solving' by ta vera that I was drawing attention to and otherwise you simply saying things like 'doesn't impress'. Like to me it felt like your conclusion was always going to be 'UneveN is mafia' and that you just included things in the catchup to explain that.

I mean again, even if I were scum you’re ascribing such a backwards thought process to what it would make sense for me to do? Like I wouldn’t read through THEN decide, I would just be reading and be like “oh, UneveN sounds weak, I’ll push there” (which, if it were my approach, would also make very little sense with pushing Sigmund at the same time).

I mostly just don’t think you’re trying to solve the game and that you haven’t been throughout and that reads as scummy to me?

That said, I now think you’re maybe town and that I’m the VI this game not moongrass

[sang froid]

It has here, perhaps before your time.

It wasn’t, it was spurious data from newbie games which never had a large enough data set behind it to be reliable

[sang froid]

I’m *intensely* curious about who you are by the way, moongrass

[sang froid]

nsg, are you still concerned about moongrass or nah?

[Moongrass]

I'm noone interesting but I've loved mafia for a long time.

[sang froid]

Interesting people always say they’re not interesting

It’s the boors who claim they’re the most scintillating individuals to grace the surface of the earth

[sang froid]

Anyway, in case we don’t have numbers:

Moongrass
Nsg

I’m very confident are town

Ico I think has been primarily town

UneveN
Sigmund

Maybe town, actually? I felt like the way UneveN addressed me on the last page was very good faith? Sigmund I’ve already explained but I would always vote to eliminate in lylo over any of the top 3 reads

VFP has dropped as a result of the others moving up

S_S isn’t very town at this point by PoE
Andres I still think would have done considerably more by now if town

I’m not sure if I believe in an S_S/Andres team but I guess it’s possible. Not sure if I’m adapting myself too much to thread consensus here/trusting my TRs too much, but it is what it is

[sang froid]

Does anyone want me for anything now? If not, I’m going and unless we drag things right out to deadline I may not be around again, we’ll see

[Iconeum]

I have been nudged

Im also drunk

What need from me

[Iconeum]

VOTE: andres

Don't expect big reasons
I rmember him being strange agzos me in repliezand. Just
Whayzvze


Yeeet

[sang froid]

I’m taking that as a “no” then. Maybe see you again before deadline, ciao belli

[Something_Smart]

I read up. Nothing I especially want to comment on. More mudslinging than I would have liked.

Pretty happy with my previous town core at least for now, though.

[VFP]

So no takers to SS?

[Moongrass]

VOTE: andres

Don't expect big reasons
I rmember him being strange agzos me in repliezand. Just
Whayzvze


Yeeet

Lmao

[VFP]

VOTE: Andre

That's E1.
Since we only have 15 hours, let's just get this claim on the road.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Iconeum

Hey all. It’s good to be here.

If I'm right about Andre, consider this proof that the "greetings tell" is very much alive.

Nah you’re just wrong and laughably so.