Happy Face Mafia (Game Over)

[Retti]

Like, yes, ok, scum rolecop flipped, but willow did not actually tell us anything we didn't already know when he claimed, so it's not like his role is confirmed in that regard. Not even considering it could be a fakeclaim seems fairly suspect? Like your mind is locked into just accepting that it's real b/c you know it is

[Retti]

(and to be clear that is not me expressing suspicion toward willow but critiquing VFP's logic)

[Retti]

Like, IDK man, if you're town here, actually try to solve? go ahead and case me, do something rather than waving the white flag

[VFP]

similarly to how i will wait a few days until i care enough to grill retti on any/all concerns i find in a few days, i hope you feel a bit more inspired to play later as well

i don't think giving up on the game and saying "id lose here just vote me and end it" is fair to me/flea, or most of the dead town

I'm not sure what argument I ever go for to say Retti is scum though.
By paper scum is always me. If you want to know anything sure, ask away.

[VFP]

Like, yes, ok, scum rolecop flipped, but willow did not actually tell us anything we didn't already know when he claimed, so it's not like his role is confirmed in that regard. Not even considering it could be a fakeclaim seems fairly suspect? Like your mind is locked into just accepting that it's real b/c you know it is

The claim was still made early enough.to believe.
I don't care about the results, but the role itself.

The fact how Willow read my claim as town suggests the checks were real if in argument anyway.

[willow1]

...and yet he's scum over me just b/c scum can't have an (unconfirmed) mask checker?

idk dude will circle back in a few days but this is really disappointing, there's no reason to waive the white flag as town

[VFP]

I've already said my mind is set on it.

And as I said, what am I to do here?
Go with Retti is scum because of the duels?

And concerning Samantha, we don't even know of scum caused the poison. It could have just been from using a mask. So I'm not taking into account that it was caused by scum, at least directly.
Maybe it was Rettis mask that did it... there's no way of knowing so it's irrelevant information.

[Retti]

the virgin Retti:
wracked with doubt
is scared of willow
"m-maybe I should reread"
pees self constantly

the chad VFP:
has already made up his mind
doesn't feel the need to convince anyone
"I know when games that have a chance of winning at this stage, and this isn't one of them"
gives absolutely no fucks at all

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly, it's MYLO, I ain't voting anything except a no yeet.

I'm curious what effect I've had though I know I've had one

I don't see what the point is here when you're clear and most likely to die

Not really, I am absolutely naff in YOLO. No matter who the other two are, I'm probably strongly stuffed. I'm genuinely the key to a maf win, they know it, and that's the only reason I'm probably still alive.

[Flea The Magician]

i find the bit about going raya yesterday so-so. as scum you don't want to risk losing the target elim to the vigshot, but getting the elim only to have town bailed out by the shot is worse & more likely

flea is very unpredictable w/ how fae would feel about me imo and while arguably i could get scared of you reconsidering, i think the kill would hypothetically have been free and makes the game much more straight forward to win

actually thinking more about that faer has hinted about being pgo so might have been like hell naw from that perspective, half of why i never bothered mask checking them. meh.

You would have gained a Strongman passive from me if you had visited me

[willow1]

got through the whole retti iso

"eh i'm fine calling it town"

get through a lot of the vfp iso

"yeah i'm fine calling it scum"

remember the esooa kill

now i sit in doubt

[willow1]

honestly esooa doesn't play bejeweled 2 deluxe so i'm fine to just go vfp honestly

i don't like some of retti's positioning around me but if he got me he got me

[willow1]

the virgin Retti:
wracked with doubt
is scared of willow
"m-maybe I should reread"
pees self constantly

the chad VFP:
has already made up his mind
doesn't feel the need to convince anyone
"I know when games that have a chance of winning at this stage, and this isn't one of them"
gives absolutely no fucks at all

this is hilarious but the ability 2 remove urself enough to make this post is ironically what scares me but it's ok

[willow1]

aight so retti my concerns are essentially

-raya flipoff on a dime
-duels you didn't have much other choice
-poison is possible mask reward
-tr on me was 2ez
-tring raya 4 "just vote me" stuff but not vfp is weird to me
-iirc your progression on jjh is ehhhhhh

vfp has some moments that are town like resisting dunn vote+defending titus, the claim, and specifically asking dunn if he had thoughts on ppl not andante/jjh was bold

[willow1]

there are a million more reasons i think you're town ftr but i'm gonna go thru the motions b4 i wait 4 the duel and vote accordingly

[willow1]

one thing that really interests me was that capitalizing on me/vfp and my/your history w/r/t my 1v1s is very straightforward to do as scum and i don't put much stock in it; however i'm not sure you'd immediately shift to trying to your own 1v1 and trying to bat w/ the bad faith argument against esooa though. i wanna call it town but putting myself in your shoes and thinking whether or not i'd make that followup move makes my head hurt

[willow1]

retti reading this game

[Retti]

Sorry, it's been a long fucking day, for reasons unrelated to this game

[Retti]

-tring raya 4 "just vote me" stuff but not vfp is weird to me

Raya dropped it out first and VFP largely echoed it, in that situation being the first to step forward with that sort of self-sacrifice line is towny but repeating it less so because scum will feel obligated to echo it to fit in and if you're one of multiple people saying it people are less likely to call your bluff

-iirc your progression on jjh is ehhhhhh

IIRC I had him as null-scum for most of the game. Which, admittedly, is probably where I'd put a partner who was playing like that but meh. I wouldn't say anything with jjh is really clearing for me but I don't feel like that was a bad read on my part anywhere.

-raya flipoff on a dime

I wish I had a good explanation for this but I work mostly off the top of my head in games and it was forever ago, even looking back now I'm not sure what changed my mind, like I wish I could just point at some post and bullshit an answer but I have to tell he truth here

-duels you didn't have much other choice

This is true, BUT: I ambushed RMH right when he entered the game and forced him into a bad claim where I easily could have given him warning for what I was doing and had him claim something that wouldn't immediately out him as scum. You could argue roberts a troll and wouldn't have cooperated, I guess, but I literally didn't leave him any time to be coached on a fakeclaim which I absolutely would have done in that situation as scum.

[willow1]

at this point while i can hypothetically see you playing the best mechanically executed scumgame of ur life

im not gonna vote u so

VOTE: vfp

[willow1]

like ill be real asking those questions to begin with was dumb because you could have probably said anything that wasn't an outright scumslip and still won my vote so sorry for even making u type all that

[willow1]

UNVOTE:

oh yeah the one thing I actually needed to check

When specifically were you given setup info+what was the exact condition for gaining it

[willow1]

oh yeah and scum shot bear hugs for some fuckin reason even though they were an unclear that was wack

[willow1]

Wait nvm that was night Dunnstral died probably Sam

my memory fadin' obv scumslip

[Retti]

Yeah, I tried to reread some but my view is always gonna be the same because I know my conclusion before I start: I'm okay with losing to willow, I'm not ok with losing to VFP, and that colors the framework I view everything from. So let's get this started.

duel: VFP