Micro 1020: To Tell the Truth [Game over]

[Datisi]

@dwlee, because pooky is going to fucking murder me for that flip and i don't currently have the energy to fight him

and getting misyeeted here is gonna ruin my >year streak of not getting misflipped

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hes tired from contorting himself into a pretzel to defend his scumbucket buddy murdercatto

[Datisi]

i never defended murdercat and that's not how i play around my partners but like i know there's not much use saying that

analysis tonight if i'm alive, going back to my spyro game, cheers

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

trying to kill me while ignoring murdercatto painting himself red is kinda shady af homie

[Dwlee99]

Pooky find Dats' partner.

[Pavowski]

Repeating the check denies us the chance to get any new information on any other players though, which is prob good for scum

If scum!Dwlee was confident he was a townread why not check himself again?

The fact his alignment flipped in this check means *something*, doesn't it?

[Pavowski]

I'm kinda done with math, it becomes more of a mindgame once scum know how people will be viewing the checks. I'm comfortable saying the chance that scum!dwlee would put themselves in the list again is very low.

530 was a response to this, you dudes are posting fast

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: angel

brain still scrambled from the weekend. actual effort coming from me tonight, if i'm still alive. agreed this likely means clidd/dwlee are t/t.

Fine you want to play this game. Lets go!

VOTE: Datisi

[Dwlee99]

LOL

[Infinity 324]

If scum!Dwlee was confident he was a townread why not check himself again?

The fact his alignment flipped in this check means *something*, doesn't it?

Well if scum!dwlee was confident they were a townread they wouldn't want to risk another guilty, which is a >50% chance. Maybe they thought town wouldn't care, but I still think it's a pretty big risk.

The fact that their alignment flipped makes them more likely to be town :)

I can do math if it would help you but I'm ok with this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky find Dats' partner.

I don't think there's a need to?

don't the scum team just surrender after we get one of them?

[Dwlee99]

Well I think dats is town SO if you find a scum partner I can agree to we are vibing. I still want to believe in my MC/arc/pav solve tbh.

[ArcAngel9]

I won't believe pooky is scum anymore. It is most unlikely that there were two active scum wagons.

So the question Is another scum bussing their teammate?

[ArcAngel9]

Vote Count 2.5 (final)

MURDERCAT

(5): Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, clidd,

Pavowsk

i, ArcAngel9

PookyTheMagicalBear

(2):

Infinity 324

, MURDERCAT

Not voting

(1):

Datisi

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.

The reason why i think we should lynch Datisi (red)

or my 2nd suspects (orange)

[ArcAngel9]

okay i screwed up with the coloring. Sorry about that.

[Pavowski]

VOTE: angel

brain still scrambled from the weekend. actual effort coming from me tonight, if i'm still alive. agreed this likely means clidd/dwlee are t/t.

Fine you want to play this game. Lets go!

VOTE: Datisi

[Pavowski]

Vote Count 2.5 (final)

MURDERCAT

(5): Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, clidd,

Pavowsk

i, ArcAngel9

PookyTheMagicalBear

(2):

Infinity 324

, MURDERCAT

Not voting

(1):

Datisi

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.

The reason why i think we should lynch Datisi (red)

or my 2nd suspects (orange)

Datisi didn't get to vote because of your hammer lol

[Datisi]

actually no hold on

i kept dying in the game which made me annoyed and logging on i see angel is voting me so now i shall build a case on why she's scum with murdercat, give me a few

[ArcAngel9]

Why i think Datisi is SCUM

ok hear me out
we yeet the obvious quickhammering scum first
then we use info tomorrow

VOTE: pooky

actually dwlee might as well be scum too because the "ok e-1 this" and "wAiT wAs tHaT HaMmEr" are kinda awful actually but whatever

He starts the day 2 with the intention to push Pooky for quick hammering T3 on D1.

if you bus pooky today i will let you live to day 4

He tries to buddy with Dwlee to push on pooky.

i can see her being a partner to pooky, sure

Indicates that i can be scum partner with Pooky and sure about it.

i can't lmfao he's scum for quickhammering a townie on page 2

Continues to imply pooky is only scum because of the quick hammer act.

yes

if you're about to say "but that would be town!pooky hammering and town!pooky couldn't have known that t3 was gonna flip" don't even waste your time. scum!pooky doesn't quickhammer a partner right out of the gate, but the odds of town!pooky hammering that quickly at all are so astronomically low in the first place, that in that scenario i would *have* to accept that that wa town!pooky. here i don't have to because there's a much simpler explanation.

Continues to push his point of view.

scum quickhammering on page 2 is actually brilliant play, if the rest of the game goes "but scum... wouldn't... do that... "

like he quickhammered so we're obviously living in one of those two worlds, and the scum!pooky one is much more likely than the town!pooky one

more posts that says how desperately he wants to push pooky lynch.

not opposed to mc in a vacuum, though i guess i'm getting worried about the similar problem of "who's their partner?". mostly because pooky is voting there and doesn't pooky have like a sacred oath of not bussing or something.

dwlee, you done the thinking of who could and couldn't be mc's partners here?

Subtly leans on to MC topic but doesn't stress on it instead tried to shift the topic to who is their partner? and brings the pooky topic again with intention to push his wagon.

3/16 * 5/8 / (3/8) = 5/16

This is the probability that someone is town given a guilty. The probability that they're scum is 11/16 which is about 69%

so i googled the thing, did the math myself, had different numbers, but somehow also got to 11/16 so i guess

the reason why i don't want to focus solely on "math" here is because i keep thinking of a secret hitler game i modded this last marathon. the game was steadily going towards a liberal (town) victory, and then there were two liberal governments that played fascist policies, and the game descended into chaos, because the most townread players passed fascist cards, and the only way for that to not have happened if they were town was if there were 6 fascist cards in the deck in a row. they calculated the odds of that happening, ~9%. so there must be a deepwolf. all while i was staring at the random.org rand that spat out 6 fascist cards in a row. town promptly lost that game.

i can agree that angel doesn't seem like a likely pooky partner

(though i'd have to recheck if she had any other options, or if that vote was a "fuck, my other suspects are town, i have to bus here" - but that would mean she was consciously faking not knowing about the setup and voting pooky based on that, which ehh why did she not unvote pooky then?)

uuugh my head hurts. is something like mc/pooky/pav viable? maybe it is? i want to be confident on infy!town but i don't actually know the extent of her scumrange which is annoying. something rings wrong about her focusing so hard on that guilty but i feel like everyone in this game has said/done scummy shit

except for clidd, he's probably scum because he's done no scummy shit and the world hates me

This post is very funny. Here he says that Angel doesn't look like pooky partner.

i don't know. i don't have townreads on any of angel, murdercat, or pav. i'm not too big on looking for preflip associates like this, especially since scum was aware pooky would be under fire today and probably have somewhat prepared for it.

UNVOTE:

i think that's y-1 and i don't want any Accidents until i am able to rethink this again

ok nvm me carry on

He was pushing on pooky lynch all day but here he says that he doesn't feel angel, MC or pav as town and moves his vote from pooky wagon by saying that they are E-1. This sounds like he is getting himself ready to jump wagons.

So if someone quick hammers on day 1, they officially become scum by default? This is exactly the kind of logic that makes me think that it is scum motivated I am not town reading pooky but now I am also not town reading you. Its hard for me to believe that both pooky and you are scum together. So it likely possible that one of you is town and another one is scum. Do you have any better reason to believe why pooky is scum apart from quick hammer on day 1?

this is something that i wanted to discuss before eod - you were scumreading pooky earlier as well, you were voting for him. why were you voting for him then?

but whatever, gonna talk tomorrow. i hope that flips red because my heart cannot take another 7p lylo

This is a joke, He unvotes pooky, read MC, me, and Pav as scum but doesn't vote for either of us, and pointing on to my reasons post the MC elimination. and the emotional statement at the end sounds super fake to me!!

yeah, if this flips red, i'm looking at those late votes

i mean i'm probably also gonna be dead because i kinda don't think pooky/mc are like, partnered, because i don't think pooky lolbusses there, and he's gonna rip my head off my body tomorrow if mc is red, so you know, but for when i'm dead, that's where y'all should be looking at

ofc if this is green then i'm still not gonna enjoy the game because 7p lylo but that's the game

How does he know that would be dead? that just sounds fake.

and also he is pushing an idea to look at the late votes of MC wagon (separating himself from the suspect's list)

So my final conclusion, Datisi is scum and this is my serious vote. You're all most welcome.

VOTE: Datisi

[Datisi]

angel is scum:

ok let's talk about the interactions between angel and murdercat

first, prior to the wagon really picking up speed:

there's 142, in which angel throws a throwaway comment about mc's 72. note that in that same post, angel attacked dwlee's 74. mc did something similar in 73, attacked dwlee's 60 where he was sussing angel. murder included a throwaway comment in 372 to angel's 278. oh, and angel had a townread on mc early in 286.

all their interactions boil down to (1) shallow questions (2) questioning someone scumreading the other (3) unexplained townreads

however, once the mc wagon actually picks up, things get spicy (so like page 19 onwards):

all of a sudden, angel says her read of mc went down too and she can settle for his yeet (bottom of 462).

now, here's the fun part. there's this part that didn't make sense to me at the time, but i did call it out in 501:

Spoiler: relevant part of 485

Actually my MC read went down too.. If not pooky, I can settle with MC for today.

Literally everyone is piling on me for no reason

Why why why are we going to elim me and not the person who hammered a townie on page 2 or the person with the guilty
I've given reasoning for all my reads, how can anyone say I'm not scum hunting

So if someone quick hammers on day 1, they officially become scum by default? This is exactly the kind of logic that makes me think that it is scum motivated I am not town reading pooky but now I am also not town reading you. Its hard for me to believe that both pooky and you are scum together. So it likely possible that one of you is town and another one is scum. Do you have any better reason to believe why pooky is scum apart from quick hammer on day 1?

this made no sense to me, because angel had been voting for pooky for like, the whole time. she did say in 142 that "All quick hammers players are not scum.", but her next mentions of pooky were saying she suspects him, scumreads him, is fine with his elimination, etc, etc. but she never gave an actual reason for scumreading pooky, she just... was scumreading him. so i think it's fair to assume that she was scumreading him for the quickhammer, since she didn't bother to offer any hot takes with the vote/scumread.

so i found it very very odd that she was suddenly calling mc out for calling pooky scum for the quickhammer. why the hell were you voting him if not for the quickhammer? but with the flip, it actually makes sense - panic distancing away from the buddy who is obviously about to go down.

also, the hammer after only 2 and a half hours of giving intent is ridiculous. it feels tmi.

also also, why is angel voting me today? because... i was off wagon? when i unvoted pooky when he got to y-1, and called for more time when i was taking a mini-v/la? and like, how is pav your second choice?? why are you ignoring infinity here, who was actively wagoning pooky the whole time???

looking at that ^^, the votecounts, and giving pav's iso a 15 second skim, i'd say infinity is the third one (but also reckon infinity will be readable by effort, because i imagine scum!infinity will not be very energetic here). followed by pav, followed by god fucking help me someone turbobussed again. maybe i'll actually give this a proper read at some point if i'm still about to die, who knows idk. maybe not.

pedit: i did not read that case and i will not be rewriting this now, will read and respond later

[ArcAngel9]

actually no hold on

i kept dying in the game which made me annoyed and logging on i see angel is voting me so now i shall build a case on why she's scum with murdercat, give me a few

So you want to build a case because i am voting you.

Not because you think i am scum. Thanks for adding points to why you're the last remaining scum.

[Dwlee99]

I agree that infinity is more likely than pav as the third but also it would be cooler if it was Pav.

[ArcAngel9]

angel is scum:

ok let's talk about the interactions between angel and murdercat

first, prior to the wagon really picking up speed:

there's 142, in which angel throws a throwaway comment about mc's 72. note that in that same post, angel attacked dwlee's 74. mc did something similar in 73, attacked dwlee's 60 where he was sussing angel. murder included a throwaway comment in 372 to angel's 278. oh, and angel had a townread on mc early in 286.

all their interactions boil down to (1) shallow questions (2) questioning someone scumreading the other (3) unexplained townreads

however, once the mc wagon actually picks up, things get spicy (so like page 19 onwards):

all of a sudden, angel says her read of mc went down too and she can settle for his yeet (bottom of 462).

now, here's the fun part. there's this part that didn't make sense to me at the time, but i did call it out in 501:

Spoiler: relevant part of 485

Actually my MC read went down too.. If not pooky, I can settle with MC for today.

Literally everyone is piling on me for no reason

Why why why are we going to elim me and not the person who hammered a townie on page 2 or the person with the guilty
I've given reasoning for all my reads, how can anyone say I'm not scum hunting

So if someone quick hammers on day 1, they officially become scum by default? This is exactly the kind of logic that makes me think that it is scum motivated I am not town reading pooky but now I am also not town reading you. Its hard for me to believe that both pooky and you are scum together. So it likely possible that one of you is town and another one is scum. Do you have any better reason to believe why pooky is scum apart from quick hammer on day 1?

this made no sense to me, because angel had been voting for pooky for like, the whole time. she did say in 142 that "All quick hammers players are not scum.", but her next mentions of pooky were saying she suspects him, scumreads him, is fine with his elimination, etc, etc. but she never gave an actual reason for scumreading pooky, she just... was scumreading him. so i think it's fair to assume that she was scumreading him for the quickhammer, since she didn't bother to offer any hot takes with the vote/scumread.

so i found it very very odd that she was suddenly calling mc out for calling pooky scum for the quickhammer. why the hell were you voting him if not for the quickhammer? but with the flip, it actually makes sense - panic distancing away from the buddy who is obviously about to go down.

also, the hammer after only 2 and a half hours of giving intent is ridiculous. it feels tmi.

also also, why is angel voting me today? because... i was off wagon? when i unvoted pooky when he got to y-1, and called for more time when i was taking a mini-v/la? and like, how is pav your second choice?? why are you ignoring infinity here, who was actively wagoning pooky the whole time???

looking at that ^^, the votecounts, and giving pav's iso a 15 second skim, i'd say infinity is the third one (but also reckon infinity will be readable by effort, because i imagine scum!infinity will not be very energetic here). followed by pav, followed by god fucking help me someone turbobussed again. maybe i'll actually give this a proper read at some point if i'm still about to die, who knows idk. maybe not.

pedit: i did not read that case and i will not be rewriting this now, will read and respond later

TRY HARDER SCUM!!!
you're going to loose. I can do this all day. Go ahead and twist whatever you want. i am crushing you because i read through you directly.

[Datisi]

ok, so angel's case on me boils down to

- datisi was pushing pooky the whole game
- datisi said he doesn't think angel and pooky are partners
- datisi said he doesn't townread any of mc, angel, or pav
- datisi was calling out my nonsense distance post with murdercat and showed emotion
- datisi said he was going to get killed by pooky after pooky explicitly said he will want to kill datisi if murder flipped red

this is a joke lol the first point is the only one that makes any goddamn sense

actually no hold on

i kept dying in the game which made me annoyed and logging on i see angel is voting me so now i shall build a case on why she's scum with murdercat, give me a few

So you want to build a case because i am voting you.

Not because you think i am scum. Thanks for adding points to why you're the last remaining scum.

nope, i voted you first, but your vote on me is what pissed me off enough to sit down and write what i was thinking, learn how to read

[ArcAngel9]

I decided to vote against you right after your posts post the MC lynch, it is regardless of your vote on me today.

So you're implying that i hammered my partner when i can focus on pushing Pooky wagon which was super easy for me at that moment? Why didn't you vote MC despite you express your suspects about them?
Do you see the irony in your statements?