Open 820: The Siege of Aurelia — Game Over!

[Dannflor]

VC 1.02

Ready for Battle

Preparation

[1] Gate

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ssbm_Kyouko

[0] Wall

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[1] Keep

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T3

[7] Unassigned

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skitter30, Something_Smart, catboi, implosion, unwnd, PenguinPower, Dunnstral

The Preparation Phase deadline is in

: (expired on 2021-07-25 11:27:06)

Mod Notes

: Something_Smart and skitter30 are V/LA until the 20th.

[unwnd]

Ssbm how would u rate ur scumgame? What do u think ur strengths are as scum?

My strengths are bussing convincingly, my weaknesses are being tmi and I sometimes have a hard time staying motivated as scum

Thanks!

Tbh i'm kinda having a hard time seeing u come after t3 this hard as scum

Well, see, my problem with the whole approach is that kyouko seems to be basing her read entirely on whether T3 submits to her, and I don't find the way she's executing it to look like a genuine attempt to read into T3's alignment. If she had gotten an early townread on him and wanted him to go to the gate, that would be understandable. If the proposed plan had been an attempt to gauge his alignment by how he reacted to it. But that doesn't quite seem to be what's going on. Instead, the approach she's seems solely geared toward attempting to intimidate him into going to a location that is, frankly, unoptimal for him. It doesn't look like there's any attempt to genuinely read into T3's alignment off what he's saying, and instead just attack him - 135 is particularly noxious in that regard.

Were this a regular game, I could maybe see it as an attempt to pressure him but in this setup that doesn't really work, and the approach here makes more sense as either trying to make T3 an elimmable suspect on day 2 or pit him against implosion based on his existing stated suspicions - I'm not sure why as town you'd actively try to get 2 scumreads into a location with you but it makes great sense as scum if you believe one will surefire vote the other. I'm struggling to see much of any of it as town motivated play.

No strong opinions of any posts here, which may be troublesome if the clock keeps ticking down. Are people afraid of making stances? Are they simply waiting for something to happen? I don't mean to be hypocritical but I don't have enough to generate a wall.

It's...barely over 24 hours into Day 1? Why the impatience?

I like having a bunch of information in front of me that I can pick through. I'm worried about the game stifling because everyone is afraid of being too preemptive. Maybe hypocritical but whatever.

[skitter30]

Well, see, my problem with the whole approach is that kyouko seems to be basing her read entirely on whether T3 submits to her, and I don't find the way she's executing it to look like a genuine attempt to read into T3's alignment.

I feel like she basically feels like t3 going to the gate is best for town as a whole and is therefore trying her hardest to make that outcome happen

I dont think under her worldview she particularly cares what t3's actual alignment is

[skitter30]

My townish pile is similar to skitter's actually, but dropping the "maybe" on unwnd and swapping catboi for Penguin.

I don't know how to read dunnstral at all though.

Upon reflection i want to demote catboi as well.
I actually also like the idea of going to keep cuz i now think t3 is somewhay townie and it'll probablh be an easier one

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Better question: Why not someone else? Your assumption rests entirely that I'm limbait and townread you?

Theres room for a third at Gate I wanted you though because FMPOV, toen benefits regardless of your alignment if you were in gate with me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Guess what happens if scum!me swaps? Gate flips first, and I get confirmed to be scum in another running minigame if I swapped out of gate with flipped scum, which I would have to if you and implosion are both town.

Don't think this is how the setup works.

At this point I actually feel townish on both T3 and ssbm, moreso on T3.

I think catboi could be scum.

Oh yeah technically I could be town there still if there are 2 scum in wherever I'm swapped to and 1 in the third location at day end, you're right.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What if T3 and I draft our townreads into our locations and the rest end up at wall? And people can Express nays if it looks like one of us is scum trying to draft a townie so that all scum dont end up in one spot?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So if were both town and we can correctly form townblocks, we'll win

[skitter30]

What if T3 and I draft our townreads into our locations and the rest end up at wall? And people can Express nays if it looks like one of us is scum trying to draft a townie so that all scum dont end up in one spot?

I was actually thinking of forcing scum yo the wall so this is a decent idea

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dunnstral, unwnd, if either of you were to come to the Gate now with me, who would you want as a third and why?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I also think it's a good idea to grab people in pairs for Gate and Keep. If we do that, then the group consensus on those pairs should be that they are both town. And pairs should have to TR each other too. If we can pair people off like this it makes it harder for scum to sneak into a pair. Then we decide where the pair should go, Gate or Keep, and then decide on another pair. And you can always put your scumreads together in a pair and put them with me or with T3 if you think either of us are scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Putting together pairs and hammering a location gives us a better chance at an all town location and a 0-1-2 scum split or instant win. If we can do that we limit scum's options. If they get 1-1-1 split they can swap any townies with other townies or any scum with other scum at any location. Getting them to 0-1-2 locks it down the options for them quite a bit

[PenguinPower]

I like you.

[T3]

I also think it's a good idea to grab people in pairs for Gate and Keep. If we do that, then the group consensus on those pairs should be that they are both town. And pairs should have to TR each other too. If we can pair people off like this it makes it harder for scum to sneak into a pair. Then we decide where the pair should go, Gate or Keep, and then decide on another pair. And you can always put your scumreads together in a pair and put them with me or with T3 if you think either of us are scum

All I see is protown benefits.

Support!

[T3]

Penguin is probably town for deriving the same conclusion from Kyo's posts that I did.

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral, unwnd, if either of you were to come to the Gate now with me, who would you want as a third and why?

I don't know

[implosion]

My townish pile is similar to skitter's actually, but dropping the "maybe" on unwnd and swapping catboi for Penguin.

I don't know how to read dunnstral at all though.

If he's active then he's town.

The problem is that the one game I played with him shows that the converse of this is false, and he's not being especially active.

Do you consider him in this game so far to be active? If not, then how do you read him?

[implosion]

Also if you have a not teamed read on implosion and I then why would you not want to come to Gate with us?

I'm not sure where this is coming from; why would specifically not being in a place with two scum together be incentive to go there? As far as I can tell, the vague goal of the town should be to be in the same place as two other townies (because this is the only way to win the game outright in phase one) and barring that, being in the same place as two scum is preferable to one of each (because at least

in theory

we'll get more info if the split contains a 1-2 and a 3-0 location rather than three 2-1 locations).

[implosion]

I also like ssbm's idea, broadly. At least I think it makes sense with where people already are.

[Dunnstral]

My townish pile is similar to skitter's actually, but dropping the "maybe" on unwnd and swapping catboi for Penguin.

I don't know how to read dunnstral at all though.

If he's active then he's town.

The problem is that the one game I played with him shows that the converse of this is false, and he's not being especially active.

Do you consider him in this game so far to be active? If not, then how do you read him?

Neither is true

[T3]

This game he's relatively more active than I've seen him as either alignment, actually.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also if you have a not teamed read on implosion and I then why would you not want to come to Gate with us?

I'm not sure where this is coming from; why would specifically not being in a place with two scum together be incentive to go there? As far as I can tell, the vague goal of the town should be to be in the same place as two other townies (because this is the only way to win the game outright in phase one) and barring that, being in the same place as two scum is preferable to one of each (because at least

in theory

we'll get more info if the split contains a 1-2 and a 3-0 location rather than three 2-1 locations).

In this case it's only applicable at Gate- if there are 2 players at gate that seem to not be teamed and one gets ICed, the other looks more likely to be scum to the outside. Inside the Gate, the VT knows who the scum is right away, but for the other 4 town outside gate, getting "not partners" into Gate is good

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But I do agree, ideally getting 3 town into one place is good. If T3 is town and he thinks you and I are not partnered, it's a good shot at a 3-town location

[T3]

My reads are basically like:
Peng
Kyo
skitter
catboi unwnd
SS Dunn
implosion

[T3]

Actually maybe skitter > kyo.