Kerset's Large Normal Review, August 2021
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Kerset's Large Normal Review, August 2021
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Oh I shouldn't have opened this yet. Gypyx post something so this gets marked unread"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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I think the smell test says this amount of town and mafia power is balanced, but vengeful ascetic feels like a troll with this setup of roles. Using the day's elimination to kill someone who the nightplay confirmed is resistant to nightplay effects shouldn't be punished.
Splitting the role is probably fine? Since both are passive it wouldn't impact the tally for the informed. There's other stuff you could do also."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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hmmmm, i kinda think the setup has a bit too much "random stuff" personally? Like, tell me if i'm wrong, but the "Vengeful" "1-shot Babysitter" or the neighborhood don't serve a crucial part in the setup?
heck, i'd say vengeful is even less effective than normal with the maf's information, like, they know that something is unclaimed in Lylo / MeLoWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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There are two hyper powerful PR. It would be tough to play it without any protective role, especially with modern D1 claiming. On one hand ungated cop can be saved from death, on other hand there is neighbor, which might sabotage it, if it gains babysitter trust.
Vengeful is indeed just a filler. It was the best thing that crossed my mind. I guess ascetic could be moved elsewhere, i don't mind it.giv me pagetop :(-
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Gypyx, "random" roles are like.. good. Roles that are more arbitrary are harder to guess in setup spec and allow the game's play to more frequently bend towards which players in the rand turn out to be successful in the dayplay rather than which players land the protagonist or antagonist roles of more scripted setups. I've consistently seen player feedback be more likely to be negative the stronger a designer was committed to a setup having a specific conceit and there's reasons that makes sense."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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I would pass this with the ascetic vengeful split and no other changes. Idk if you want to do something else instead"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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alright fair, i thought normals were actually supposed to not have a lot of moving parts, without being extremely straightfoward of courseIn post 7, Isis wrote:Gypyx, "random" roles are like.. good. Roles that are more arbitrary are harder to guess in setup spec and allow the game's play to more frequently bend towards which players in the rand turn out to be successful in the dayplay rather than which players land the protagonist or antagonist roles of more scripted setups. I've consistently seen player feedback be more likely to be negative the stronger a designer was committed to a setup having a specific conceit and there's reasons that makes sense.
plus the reasons make sens actually so ye i'm okay with keeping things that way
the thing tho, is that like, if we reach MeLo with the venge unclaimed, scum knows that there's an unclaimed role in that mix, and can reasonably guess it's a vengeful because really what role other than venge doesn't claim in that situation, so they can basically neutralize it by acting smart
which i though was bad but actually i'm supposed to think about balance so it's good probably?White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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Oh I misunderstood the informed ability. I thought "active town power roles" excluded roles that do not act at night. Maybe change the setup to the way I misread it to fix that issue? Lol"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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I followed wiki description.
Maybe i shall add wiki link to PM?Wiki wrote:An Active Role is one that must choose whether to use their role-related ability, and/or who to use their ability on. Most power roles are active in nature; some examples include Cop, Doctor, and Mafia Goon.
Fun fact is that i decided to add this informed role after i saw your post Isis. You said somewhere that game are more fun for mafia when they get some intel about town roles and you for instance decided to spoil entire setup to mafia.giv me pagetop :(-
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can't go wrong with adding wiki stuff yeah, active can also be reasonably mixed up with non-passive as Isis did
yeah btw, about the informed, i feel like it's a bit too weak to really weigh in that sorta "inform scum about this town to give them agency" stuff
like, picture this, you're scum, but know there are 5 active PRs, what does that mean, can you do anything with that ? Probably not, Maybe refine a bit the loud visitor's fake claim but that's it reallyWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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You are right and I am wrong! Mtg had influenced me, in that game's mechanics vengeful wouldn't be an "activated ability" it'd be a "triggered ability". Mtg has so much overlap with mafia playerbase that Ascetic role comes directly from mtg so I don't feel self centered mentioning that personal influence. Does not make me correct though, that wiki blurb is clear.
I would include the wiki blurb, yes, other people besides me could get confused.
I think I dont mind if the mafia figure out there's a vengeful."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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In mid-game, you know how many more PR are hidden.In post 12, Gypyx wrote:like, picture this, you're scum, but know there are 5 active PRs, what does that mean, can you do anything with that ? Probably not, Maybe refine a bit the loud visitor's fake claim but that's it reallygiv me pagetop :(-
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fair, it's still pretty weak imo, but if that's what you wanna roll with go aheadIn post 14, Kerset wrote:
In mid-game, you know how many more PR are hidden.In post 12, Gypyx wrote:like, picture this, you're scum, but know there are 5 active PRs, what does that mean, can you do anything with that ? Probably not, Maybe refine a bit the loud visitor's fake claim but that's it reallyWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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The vanilla townie is pretty weak too? I don't get it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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you know what i mean by that >.>In post 16, Isis wrote:The vanilla townie is pretty weak too? I don't get it.White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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I do not"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I don't know if you think scum needs more power in the aggregate or if there is something misleading or what
It is a queue that has fruit vendors "this isn't a high impact power role" needs some kind of explanation as a criticism"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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well, it isn't a criticism of the setup, which is probably in a good place with the suggested changes, more like "yo, i'm not sure the effect is what you were aiming for"White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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I think she probably knew"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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Spoiler: VT
Spoiler: Cop
Spoiler: N1 Combined FriendlyNeighbor Neighborizer Cop
Spoiler: N2N3 Commuter
Spoiler: Ascetic Townie
Spoiler: Vengeful Townie
Spoiler: 1-shot Babysitter Town Neighbor
Spoiler: Cop-Finder
Spoiler: 1-shot Loud Visitor
Spoiler: Mafia Neighbor
Spoiler: Informed Mafia
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Ascetic isn't accurate as they don't fail as if roleblocked, as the targeting player is still considered as targeting you
stating that the informed's info is redacted upon flip can't go wrong alsoWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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That's odd. I copypasted it from https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... e_Role_PMsgiv me pagetop :(
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