mini normal 2226; who won

[Titus]

titus, what's your solve again?

Chaos Vulture Alch with an outside shot of Umlaut

[Titus]

I would compromise on Meg to avoid a no elimination but I really think Meg's town.

[Gamma Emerald]

That's about Vulture, MathBlade

Last line is still true.

I fundamentally disagree, as D1 is such a low-info phase that policy is generally inoffensive. That’s not an absolute assessment, but most times that’s pretty much the case.

[Datisi]

have you explained why meg is town? link me if you have, possible i've forgotten.

[Titus]

have you explained why meg is town? link me if you have, possible i've forgotten.

Who is this to?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Prism's read of Vulture is accurate regardless of Prism's alignment.

GREAT

SO MAYBE

ACTUALLY GO TO BAT FOR IT, OR LET ME WITHOUT CRYING

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST POOKY

whatever, dude, sorry, did not mean to out your main

will try again at 9est

wat

[Datisi]

I would compromise on Meg to avoid a no elimination but I really think Meg's town.

have you explained why meg is town? link me if you have, possible i've forgotten.

[Umlaut]

Sort of want to put my vote on Meg by PoE (I think Vulture and Chaos have both looked towny to me at various points) but I'd be lying if I said I had reasoning for that

can you read meg iso and say what you think? there have been PLENTY points on why meg could be scum.

I'll do this in the next 24 hours, pls yell at me if I don't.

[Aristeia]

@Meg - The self-awareness and no effort to survive read townie to me.

is this about Meg?

because I really don't agree with it at all :<

[Gamma Emerald]

In fact, I'd move Meg up to a strong town lean.

Do you disagree with Vulture’s observation?

[Lukewarm]

I'm a bit lost and trying to find something intelligent to say, but I saw this

To be frank, when my top scum read decides to omgus scum read me back, I don't think it is all that beneficial for me to engage in a 1v1 with that person directly.

and found it absolutely hilarious given how my last game with Luke went

Well, I definitely learned that it did not help

[Lukewarm]

Although, even in that game, I don't think I spent a ton of time sitting through their case on me, and really just drowned the tread with my own case / tunnel.

I spent a lot of time trying to convince the rest of the thread, and was getting frustrated because no one else saw what I saw. This game, I feel like a good percentage of the thread agreed with me.

[Prism]

I'm basically going to play this like I did Perpetual.

I'm going to a coffee shop reading from 7p-8p EST. I will be online for exactly one hour per day, not always 7est. The exception is this weekend where I have a wedding to attend and thus will be around for an hour every two days. This will likely continue for the rest of the game.

If someone has a burning question feel free to bump it for me to answer because if it was several pages back it'll be awhile before I get there.

[MegAzumarill]

Meg, why do you keep pushing on point 1 when you’re not the top wagon?

You’re clearly aware of my wagon existing and have read back so you should be aware that the votes on you have dropped away, yes?

The way I read you doing that right now is:

You are aware I am town -> you see the wagon but assume people will also recognize I am town -> you fear it flipping back onto you.

Feels like pre-emotive damage control.

These posts strikes me as particularly bad of their recent posts. This feels fabricated for a few reasons.

1. They accuse me of preemptive damage control if the wagon. What benefit would this have for me if I am scum?

2. I had already mentioned being eliminated on many circumstances, but they only choose to attack the point when I am the counter wagon against them, why not bring it up sooner if you found it scummy?

3. The posts aren't coherent, the first couple seems to imply confusion of why I would bring that up and that the votes were dissolving off me (Which isn't true VC was 5 on Vulture and 4 on me, still very close) However the third acts as if they are confident I am scum with an agenda of how I expect the conversation to go. Why would they act confused if they already had an idea of a scum motivation behind it? They didn't think of it later, as the posts were posted back to back.

It feels like a desperation attack to me when I go back and reread it.

1) To reinforce a sense of “look I’m reasonable guys, I can be helpful, don’t get rid of me” should the wagon on me disappear; the worry is that town will recognize me as town as well and then revert to you.

This is wrong for two reasons, 1. the people ending up on your wagon are for the most part the people that were on the Chaos wagon, not mine, even if they were to "revert" back to their prior vote, it wouldn't be on me. 2. I think I have made it clear I have no intention of surviving past the first few days of this game and being LHF for scum come limlo.

2) I had already ultimately decided that you were my vote prior in 678. As I had very explicitly stated I was thinking about your post that is the root of this woe is me I can be useful mentality, the implication is that it did not sway me personally.

You are not answering the accusation. Why do you suddenly find it suspicious to act like this when you yourself said it felt meaningless earlier? Why is it suddenly a scumtell now that you are at risk? I understand yo uhave other suspiscions about me but what made you change your view on my attitude to being limmed.

Furthermore, I have had you as my vote before I was wagoned. This is obviously not an attempt to counter wagon or double down on you where I wasn’t before.

3) I know you’re misrepresenting them, but to everyone else: it’s not confusion but rhetorical questioning of someone’s motivations as scum. There is clearly no part of me in those posts that is like “huh, wonder what Meg is thinking” given the conclusion I write up not even a minute or two later.

Its also that your claim doesn't make sense with the vote lineup. You claim that the votes on me and shifted onto you, which wasn't the situation at all, we both were/are very likely to be a lim today. The main thing that felt weird about the post was the sense of certainty in the accusation, for me addressing one of the most likely outcomes of today.

That last point in particular is such an egregious misread that I don’t believe anyone acting with any good faith would think I was confused or interpret it as such.

yeah, i read that post, and i was wondering if meg was being serious.

I am serious and think this string of posts is incredibly scummy.

[Vulture]

This is wrong for two reasons, 1. the people ending up on your wagon are for the most part the people that were on the Chaos wagon, not mine, even if they were to "revert" back to their prior vote, it wouldn't be on me. 2. I think I have made it clear I have no intention of surviving past the first few days of this game and being LHF for scum come limlo.

It does not matter, inherently, the makeup of the people voting me; if I prove myself to not be an option, the assumption is that they will revert to you as you are one of the POE options. Given that most of these people do suspect you, yes, it would be a reversion back from one scumread to another.

In fact, let's look at the VC directly before my wagon took off.There's you and Titus, and then a voter from Alchemist, a voter from you, and a voter from Chaos. Only one person who was on Chaos went on you from this, so it's wrong to suggest the entire wagon moved from Chaos to me at that point.

As for you saying you have no intention being made clear? No, you haven't, because you keep trying to reason with people and get more time for yourself and keep pushing to live. Your actions, despite what you're trying to sell, are at odds with your words.

You are not answering the accusation. Why do you suddenly find it suspicious to act like this when you yourself said it felt meaningless earlier? Why is it suddenly a scumtell now that you are at risk? I understand yo uhave other suspiscions about me but what made you change your view on my attitude to being limmed.

Where did I say it was meaningless? Direct quote, please.

Its also that your claim doesn't make sense with the vote lineup. You claim that the votes on me and shifted onto you, which wasn't the situation at all, we both were/are very likely to be a lim today. The main thing that felt weird about the post was the sense of certainty in the accusation, for me addressing one of the most likely outcomes of today.

I've already been over this regarding the first quote. And now it's that it feels weird that I was certain about it despite... pushing you most of today? And no longer about the 'confusion'?

You're moving the goalpost with "it's also that..." when I point out how ridiculous your first claim is.

[Vulture]

Whoops, forgot the link to that VC.

[Titus]

I would compromise on Meg to avoid a no elimination but I really think Meg's town.

have you explained why meg is town? link me if you have, possible i've forgotten.

1034

[Titus]

In fact, I'd move Meg up to a strong town lean.

Do you disagree with Vulture’s observation?

Where?

[Datisi]

@Meg - The self-awareness and no effort to survive read townie to me.

are you telling me that the constant requests for more time and for them to prove themself by dishing out analysis "for after they flip" is supposed to be "no effort to survive"?

[Titus]

@Meg - The self-awareness and no effort to survive read townie to me.

are you telling me that the constant requests for more time and for them to prove themself by dishing out analysis "for after they flip" is supposed to be "no effort to survive"?

Yes. They're making last reads. They aren't seeking another day.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm going back to posting gifs because it makes me happier.

Ick, phone butchered that.

Butchered what?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a feeling one of you two is trying to pocket the other. Shrug.

And this is why Vulture is scum. No content. No positions, just shade designed to increase paranoia.

What if it's just Chaos Alch and Vulture?

Yeah I kinda think Vulture is trying to “divide and conquer” by feeding conflicts between townies

[Datisi]

@titus, because scum would never bluff about "being resigned to their own death" and constantly dish out the "woe is me, i will die, but i hope the rest of you get some use out of my analysis once i flip" in the hopes that whatever they put out makes their voters change their mind and vote someone else? like, what makes you think that this is supposed to be genuine?

[Titus]

@titus, because scum would never bluff about "being resigned to their own death" and constantly dish out the "woe is me, i will die, but i hope the rest of you get some use out of my analysis once i flip" in the hopes that whatever they put out makes their voters change their mind and vote someone else? like, what makes you think that this is supposed to be genuine?

Sure it's possible Meg is scum. No one's pointed out why it is fake because it isn't. A townie would realize their death was coming and put out content to be remembered by.

Don't you find it odd that it's virtually an all town wagon on Meg, no one is defending Meg (maybe arguably me), but it's not going through. Scum aren't voting the Meg wagon because we can't agree on which scum to kill.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Meg - The self-awareness and no effort to survive read townie to me.

are you telling me that the constant requests for more time and for them to prove themself by dishing out analysis "for after they flip" is supposed to be "no effort to survive"?

Yes. They're making last reads. They aren't seeking another day.

I don’t feel like that analysis fits with what Meg is actually doing