Open 822: Popcorn Mafia - Game Over!!

[Toogeloo]

I empathize with Luke, but will not answer for him.

I myself have been known to have questionable trajectory changes as town. In fact I actually like it as a town tell for most players as scum already don't want to have to explain their reads and changes in opinion more than they have to.

[Hectic]

Hmm

I go between being very sure and completely lost in this game, it feels uneasy

I think this setup is better in a marathon format. The extended time of no power/vote is a little frustrating tbh

[Toogeloo]

Honestly, I don't mind the pacing of this game. It lends itself well to people playing multiple games for those of us doing so.

[Toogeloo]

That being said, I figured the kills would be happening at least a little more frequently.

[Hectic]

Would be a lot more fun with like 3 day deadlines between kernel explosions imo, currently it feels like the gun bearer shoots after everyone's stopped posting and become a little apathetic

[marcistar]

My solve would still be Pav + Enchant + Lukewarm

r u sure it would be that easy

I'm feeling townish on Toog and Hockey these days, so ... I guess my poe would be in Vulture, Enchant, Luke, Hectic ... in no particular order at the moment, but I'm not super comfortable leaning into any of that right this minute.

what do u think about how enchant was tring me earlier?

It's bad. The only real reason he gave for townreading you was that mafia wouldn't be so outrageous. Ergo, he's saying mafia wouldn't do the posting schtick you do which is easily discounted if he looked through any of your other games and saw you do it every game

Otherwise, he seems far too confident on marci!town just because you're easy to push and "simple easy target" etc

Looks like some standard whiteknighting TMI to me

i agree that he looks bad from it

(this is all assuming marci isn't just trolling here)

i have a reason for why im doing this
(but i totally love trolling but thats not the case rn)

I want to sr vulture but thier content seems towny, and i cant SR togeloo/Hectic

if u had to put a pin in one of those 3, which one would it be?

wdym but "cant sr"? whats holding you back?

I said "can't sr" because they're my Top tr's and i really dont think my read will ever change on them because I think they're pretty darn town. Im aware if you're town one of them can be mafia, but out of those 3, I think im putting the pin in Vulture, i could be totally wrong here tho

whats ur reasoning for townreading them both?

It dawned on me that the Gunbearer should always make a final thoughts list when shooting.

The person who has been shot doesn't need to leave reads, that is pointless.

shh im kickstarting my reign of terror early

[Lukewarm]

(this is all assuming marci isn't just trolling here)

I also don't really like Luke's reason to townread Enchant. I get Enchant looks bored with the game and his posting progression reflects that, but I don't think that's exclusive to town. Like that reads makes me want to shoot Luke before Enchant, since there's a chance Luke is TMIing on town!Enchant (or he's just defending a scum buddy)

It was never that enchant looked bored with the game, it was a progression that I saw in his posting style that implied town thinking about the game.

Looking at his iso, I would say that maybe my town read on him is getting weaker just because he kinda stopped posting, but when I did an iso on him before it felt town to me

[Hectic]

Dashing avatar btw, Luke

It does feel very dangerous to me to townread Enchant in a game like this for very little

[Pavowski]

Yo Pav, can you articulate your thoughts on Luke? With like those fancy reasons people do sometimes

I know I'm asking you for a big favour here but I'll pay you in soul hearts if you can help me out

Yeah I'll do some thoughts on Luke tonight.

[Lukewarm]

One concern I have there tho, is that if he is scum, and has been gunning for me, then I think that might mean that my reads are bad. Otherwise, why risk giving me the gun?

I also wanna come back to this

I'm really struggling to see where this comes from a genuine town perspective. Like why does town!Lukewarm assume that scum!Vulture pushing him means he wants Lukwarm to actually get the gun? Galron is the gun bearer, and Vulture and I were pretty much the only ones in thread with much sus on Luke at that point. Does he really think scum!Vulture pushes him there eith the goal of getting Galron to shoot him, given Lukewarm's overall thread status?

It seems like a big jump in logic to go from
Vulture is pushing me and may be scum ->
Does that mean scum want me to have the gun? ->
My reada might be bad and they want me to misfire

Isn't it the far more likely conclusion that in a scum!Vulture world, Vulture is just faking reads and doing what scum do without a grander objective like

get the gun to someone who has bad reads

. And would scum!Vulture really think they can even influence Galron enough to shoot Luke?

Essentially, I don't buy that Lukewarm is actually worried about such a thing and that it's faked nuance that he would never think as town

Ehh. Maybe I did jump the gun on the "bad reads" thing, but it really has felt like Vulture has been pushing / shading me all game, and for things that don't make sense to me, which non-genuine shading = scum read

I especially did not like that he kind of dropped the shade the moment you said I was town, but then started back up the moment you voiced concern again. Felt opportunistic.

[Pavowski]

It dawned on me that the Gunbearer should always make a final thoughts list when shooting. The person who has been shot doesn't need to leave reads, that is pointless.

I called for this before the T3 shot as well, Hectic gave me 2nd glances for it Watch out!

[Lukewarm]

Dashing avatar btw, Luke

It does feel very dangerous to me to townread Enchant in a game like this for very little

It is a fun temporary change, that interestingly would break site rules for me to tell you why the change happened

[Hectic]

r u sure it would be that easy

Idk

I don't see any incompatibilities in the team. I could easily be wrong on Toogeloo though, what he's done is towny but not super hard to fake. I'm more confident on Hockey/Vulture

[Lukewarm]

Hmm

I go between being very sure and completely lost in this game, it feels uneasy

I think this setup is better in a marathon format. The extended time of no power/vote is a little frustrating tbh

Yeah, I think this would be great as a marathon

[Hectic]

Dashing avatar btw, Luke

It does feel very dangerous to me to townread Enchant in a game like this for very little

It is a fun temporary change, that interestingly would break site rules for me to tell you why the change happened :cool: :cool:

I've noticed a... plague of pirates spreading around the site and I have no idea why lol

Gonna have to go digging

[marcistar]

MUSHROOM BOY WHAT R U THINKING RN

Spoiler: i see no difference

[Lukewarm]

MUSHROOM BOY WHAT R U THINKING RN

Spoiler: i see no difference

I am a PIRATE x.x

[Lukewarm]

I think that I am at Pav + Vulture + 1

Since you appear not to be the + 1, I need to think more that one

[Lukewarm]

if im town how would yalls reads change

I mean i was already starting to TL you lol so they wont change much imho. I think mafia team is pav/luke(his bad faith case on me combined with not that much contnet), and uhhh idk 3rd one. I want to sr vulture but thier content seems towny, and i cant SR togeloo/Hectic

Hockey, when and why did you start town reading Marci?

From what I remember you had her as a scum read right?

[marcistar]

why do u think pavowski + vulture?

[Pavowski]

Here you go Hectic,

First things first on Luke, the meta is messing with me. Feels like he was in shitposting mode for a lot longer than I would expect from him, and his lack of posting in the last few days is unlike him too. Not the first time I've mentioned it, and I'll again shoot my own argument in the foot by remembering he said he's overextending. His posts back and forth with Marci early in the game kinda left me feeling odd, too, and I remember having the thought that it could be theatre, but if Marci indeed flips town here, then I'd need to look back at that. He could be scum shading her, there.

His miss on Hectic "repping" in flagged me oddly too. It's not the kind of thing I'd expect Luke to miss; in my experience he's pretty meticulous. I wouldn't put it past him to manufacture a townslip like that, but as I mentioned earlier, I have a hard time reading Luke generally so I could be in full paranoia mode on that one.

Then I go a little further and I see his back-and-forth with Vulture which feels genuine... and in 598 he puts the scumteam as me + Marci + Vulture. Well, we'll soon have a marci flip, and I know I'm good, so if that rule of 3 thing is true it would make Luke + Vulture the team?

Like, I dunno. I usually expect a lot more analysis and content from Luke, scum or town, so this withdrawn Luke is a lot harder to read and I already have a hard time with Luke. It certainly doesn't prejudice me to think he's town, though.

In short my read on Luke is a big fookin mess right this minute and I need to sleep on it. I am too distracted waiting on the Marci flip even though she's now got me thinking she's green. If I had to quantify it, he's a scum lean for me but not a strong one.

[HockeyFan]

I want to sr vulture but thier content seems towny, and i cant SR togeloo/Hectic

if u had to put a pin in one of those 3, which one would it be?

wdym but "cant sr"? whats holding you back?

I said "can't sr" because they're my Top tr's and i really dont think my read will ever change on them because I think they're pretty darn town. Im aware if you're town one of them can be mafia, but out of those 3, I think im putting the pin in Vulture, i could be totally wrong here tho

whats ur reasoning for townreading them both?

Hectic- They seem to genuine to not be town, I also like them content wise and tonal wise
Togeloo- I've already said this but its more of the fact that they dont give a shit and they were asking to be shot which Idt scum does

It dawned on me that the Gunbearer should always make a final thoughts list when shooting.

The person who has been shot doesn't need to leave reads, that is pointless.

shh im kickstarting my reign of terror early

if im town how would yalls reads change

I mean i was already starting to TL you lol so they wont change much imho. I think mafia team is pav/luke(his bad faith case on me combined with not that much contnet), and uhhh idk 3rd one. I want to sr vulture but thier content seems towny, and i cant SR togeloo/Hectic

Hockey, when and why did you start town reading Marci?

From what I remember you had her as a scum read right?

I did, but as I mentioned in 533, she had become townier(mainly through the tone of her posts) and the fact that pav was tunneling marci

[Pavowski]

Like in short a green Marci flip is gonna compel me to take a day or so to recalibrate since I'll have to readjust my entire thinking about this game

[Lukewarm]

why do u think pavowski + vulture?

It felt like in the beginning of the game Pav seemed to be avoiding taking any stances, like he was trying to keep his options open, or was worried about expressing reads and then flip flopping on them as the thread developed.

As of 282 he has stated exactly 1 read. A town read on T3, and then drops 2 very fence sitting reads on you and hockey. It is almost like he was trying to leave it so he could easily walk back either of those reads.

Spoiler:

I'm townreading t3 which makes me nervous and makes me think I should be scum reading him.

If I read Marci on this game alone I'd peg her as scummy, but Marci here does not feel like scum!Marci as I've seen her. I dunno if I'd shoot there.

Hockey I'm not sure about. Initial impression was scummy but if he's scum it's a pretty lazy effort.

Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like. Gonna review d1 when I get back to my laptop.

Then 293 he is null on half the lobby, and again in 323

Saturday morning hot take:

I'm still sitting in null on too many people:

Toogelo, Vulture, Enchant

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He then breaks down all of his reads in 336
:town are T3, Hockey, Luke, Hectic,
:scum are Marci,

Toog, Vulture, Enchant

Which the scum list is almost the exactly the same list that he had as null like 15 posts earlier, and this seems suspect to me. I guess it does not seem right that in 293, his concern was "I have too many null reads" and not "I don't have any scum reads." Especially since he had already been voicing the fact that he was aware that half of all non-confirmed players were scum from his pov.

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I think I have been talked about Vulture a bit before this, do you want me to go back over him?

[Lukewarm]

His miss on Hectic "repping" in flagged me oddly too. It's not the kind of thing I'd expect Luke to miss; in my experience he's pretty meticulous. I wouldn't put it past him to manufacture a townslip like that, but as I mentioned earlier, I have a hard time reading Luke generally so I could be in full paranoia mode on that one.

New thing to add to my suspicions. Pav apparently just did a meta dive on me, is reading to sort me, but is not reading closely enough to catch that the hectic thing was very obviously a joke, but is even trying to use it as a reason to be suspicious of me?