Micro 1028: True Love (Game over)

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 1.015
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
HockeyFan (0)	None
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
cowsloveSushirolls (0)	None
Aristeia (0)	None
Wisdom (0)	None
bnuuy (2)	Dunnstral, redtea
redtea (0)	None
Dunnstral (2)	bnuuy, HockeyFan
NOT VOTING: Aristeia, cowsloveSushirolls, Wisdom
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2021-09-21 10:30:00)
Notes: Wisdom is V/LA until Sunday, September 19 pagetop count: Wisdom 4 | redtea 4 | lilith 3 | bnuuy 2 | cows 2 | Hockeyfan 2 | Aristeia 1

[cowsloveSushirolls]

dunnstral tends to be lower activity as scum or pr
there are no prs this game so his limited engagement is scum-indicative imo

This is not true

I know that you tryharded in the puppetmaster micro as soloscum so I gotta wonder if alignment affects your efforting and how

also word missing on my last post
it has no significance*
(why is bnuuy lying)

[redtea]

Spoiler: @Hockey

lol, honestly 427 could be a possible scenario. I think the posting of readtea/cows(or "interaction") seems town? ehhh im too wayy too conflicted rn lol, just lim dunn and go from there :^)

okay well I don't like you doing yet another flip on me, but I just did notes on your entire iso and if you're town, you do seem to be a bit everywhere.
As said before I don't want to lim dunn right now, I don't have enough info there. But, afaik you still sr Ari, and I'd be surprised if there wasn't scum between bnuuy/ari, so I'd vote there with you.

1. [bnuuy] having the same reads as me(

and it pocketing me

)
2. There is almost like no interaction between Ari/Dunn and i think that could be partner-indicatve
4. the chances cows comes up with a read on Dunn are the same chances of me winning the lottery

I'm trying to think if "having the same reads" is a viable reason in this setup.

irt #2 to be fair it's difficult for there to be much interaction when dunn hasn't posted much. What do you think about what Ari says *about* Dunn? (recently)

Spoiler: @cowslove

nm's reason is nm likes attention
nm is a lot of things and just kind of like that

thinking about the game pool comment, do you have games played with NM?

*sigh*. I know I have, but I guess I'll go digging again.

Btw, has your read on Dunn developed any further? U probs have but i cant find it

dunn is true null
aside from the fact that well, zero associatives exaggerated by the fact that another NM-1 wagon is going to form on him
like if dunn actually does flip red you salivate at that opportunity because you have extremely solid condemns for tomorrow
but you gotta wonder if it's that easy
dunn's town because of everything surrounding him but i've gotten zero...... from his actual posting

this. If we had more lims to waste I wouldn't lose sleep over limming a null player, especially since as you said a dunn red flip would be pretty informative.

Spoiler: @bnuuy

i think scum is in dunn and redtea
i wanted to keep this secret but i have prior experience with games involving multiple lover pairs and any time i feel like someone is behaving strangely its generally a portent that their lover partner is scum

so because wisdom and cows are acting strange, dunn and I are scum?

and id felt things that pinged me from wisdom and especially you, but didnt seem entirely driven by a scum agenda

is this saying you also see potential in a cow/wis pair, though less so than me/dunn?
That would be pretty out there

And while I don't want to discount your experience, I feel like there should be something to back up a me/dunn solve.
Me saying we shouldn't lim a lurker atp doesn't count btw.

[redtea]

i think today i'll actually figure out if i bet the game on hockey-NM town-town or not

i'm very certain on hockey's alignment (but i'll towncase them anyways) but i want to see how much i can squeeze from looking at some of NM's other games

please don't forsake us like this

[redtea]

ZZzzzzzzzzZZzz Elim Dunn already

Also aaa i just want a flip, can we lim dunn

stop tunneling *slaps wrist*

[bnuuy]

dunnstral tends to be lower activity as scum or pr
there are no prs this game so his limited engagement is scum-indicative imo

This is not true

its not an exact science but i think it holds

[bnuuy]

Something feels off about Dunn barely showing thread presence and not interacting much with thread....

like, this is the actually scummy part of what dunns been doing
i just put it in the terms i remembered best

[bnuuy]

is this saying you also see potential in a cow/wis pair, though less so than me/dunn?
That would be pretty out there

And while I don't want to discount your experience, I feel like there should be something to back up a me/dunn solve.
Me saying we shouldn't lim a lurker atp doesn't count btw.

i feel like cow is pretty solidly town
but dunn/either of your pair feels possible, its just that ive seen stuff that looked towny and stuff that looked scummy from wisdom, meanwhile you havent felt as extremely out there as wisdom but have felt scummy in certain ways
perhaps thats the key to why i end up being right despite being wrong in identifying pairs with scum while not getting the right person exactly, i tend to overlook the person playing safe

[redtea]

Reading NM meta rn this is hilarious

(from Mini Normal 2223 | Town Wins!)

The town games of his I've read though seem different than this one [where NM is scum]. Like he's trying in them. Here he isn't trying until toDay.

thnks kyouko

[redtea]

is this saying you also see potential in a cow/wis pair, though less so than me/dunn?
That would be pretty out there

And while I don't want to discount your experience, I feel like there should be something to back up a me/dunn solve.
Me saying we shouldn't lim a lurker atp doesn't count btw.

i feel like cow is pretty solidly town
but dunn/either of your pair feels possible, its just that ive seen stuff that looked towny and stuff that looked scummy from wisdom, meanwhile you havent felt as extremely out there as wisdom but have felt scummy in certain ways
perhaps thats the key to why i end up being right despite being wrong in identifying pairs with scum while not getting the right person exactly, i tend to overlook the person playing safe

I forget have you gone into detail on your sr of me and wisdom?

[bnuuy]

a little bit
your gameplay has felt rather self-serving
wisdom has just not felt like hes been genuinely treating slots without bias

[redtea]

a little bit

your gameplay has felt rather self-serving

wisdom has just not felt like hes been genuinely treating slots without bias

i think that's just the name of the game in this setup, but. Fair.
I've seen this "bias" point brought up before, what's that about?

[bnuuy]

my money wrt which pair should endgame is on the hockey-nm pair rather than mine, so i dont think self pres is really that mandatory
in my case it feels like wisdom isnt sorting me fairly, theres some assumption i have to be evil ig. i dunno who else has mentioned bias and in what context so i dont want to speak for those other instances

[redtea]

i'm kind of tired from meta-ing, but yeah maybe you're his strongest sr rn? Skimming his iso I wanna say he's been tunneling but again, too tired to confirm.

[redtea]

after going through Not_Mafia's meta for two hours, all I've learned is that he has 2.5 distinct playstyles he shows as both town and scum, says "I'm town" as both and maybe even moreso as town, doesn't use mafia pts or possibly has his posts deleted before the pts are released.... yeah.
Somehow I wanna hazard he's town. I don't tr hockey though so don't go thinking I'm clearing them.

[redtea]

@Not_Mafia

why do you wanna lim Dunn anyway. Why's he scummy

[redtea]

as far as post count goes, Dunn seems to usually be on the low side

[Wisdom]

sigh

14 pages...

Ok, so I think Wisdom/Ari is either scum theatre or theres 1 scum between them. Not sure who tho just yet.

Cows is town because reasosn(cant really explain them since its more to do with meta)

hey @cows, do u any sort of read on Dunnstral? Cuz I have no fking clue this guys alligment

N_M is null rn because lack of posts.(nothing in PT either)

honestly, I do think redtea is town because of the way wisdom/ari talked about his scumcase

Why is there still no read on bunny in your posts?

Why is me/Ari not t/t?

[Wisdom]

from what ive seen N_Ms attitude seems kinda town

i honestly think hockey/nm should be the endgame pair
theres something about nm that seems like town

I dislike how bunny picked up whoever's faulty townread on NM and even uses it to forward agendas now

[Wisdom]

Now where tf did this vote come from. You only mentioned Dunn once in your iso and were mainly pushing/sring bunny in 172 and post 259. Post 265(down below) was the only time u mentioned dunn as a SR to u so how much has that read developed/why did u not want to push that slot more?

It interested me that NM had an actual read and wanted to do what people will do with it. I'm not actually scumreading Dunn.

[Wisdom]

Oh, I forgot this was nightless. 343 still looks super ??? tho

Ari not placing a vote when she well could there is actually kind of town, especially if cows/Dunn end up being t/t
honey on the other hand is ew

[Wisdom]

I mean tbh, Im semi-confident that the cows/Dunnstral pair is T/T lol

You too get town points for this

[Wisdom]

its like i spend all this time on why wisdom is mafia and nobody even bother to say whether they like think i'm right or wrong

just a lot of low effort memeing

i dunno why im even trying at this point

Because it was just bad tunneling and you not wanting to understand my pov.
Has bunny not expressed any agreement, even if mild, though? I totally thought it would use our exchange to townread you more and push my pair more

[Wisdom]

like either Cows has this amazing scumread on Dunnstral or Cows is just throwing for lulz and either way im fine getting out of this godforsaken game asap

Can people not think in binary
Why can't cows just be null on Dunn (which most likely is the case given how much Dunn has posted) and use the wagon to actually pressure him into reacting?

[Wisdom]

Iirc wisdom's read on redtea is all over the place so fair.

How is it all over the place
It's literally a straight progression from "redtea is posting nothing so far" to "town"