Mafia 82: International (Game Over)

[Netlava]

I'm not sure if you're reading the game, but I'm sure that will help.

[raider8169]

I'm not sure if you're reading the game, but I'm sure that will help.

I have been reading. Did I miss the post where you gave reasons for everything you said?

[Korts]

Dammit, Skruffs, don't ignore me!

[skitzer]

slanton2 replaces Slicey.
killa seven replaces PimHel.
EGL replaces nhat.
The Only Ryan replaces ace1217.

[Skruffs]

Dammit, Skruffs, don't ignore me!

Not ignoring you!

You want me to go back and say how my "Armlx is being intentionally anti-town" stance is not circular logic. I am going to do that. But first I have to find where the argument was made, and catch up with everything else.

It's much easier to post to other games where I've been involved the whole way through or whatnto than it is to field inane questions from people who are ignoring my own arguments and using the same type of arguments they are decrying me for using, against me.

[armlx]

Another misrep from Skruffs.....

Not surprised.

[killa seven]

Whats up guys, need to re read on whats going on.

[BlakAdder]

Well, the obvious thing people will want to here from you, killa seven, is what are your thoughts on the Netlava wagon? Or any of the other players with votes on them?

[Citizen Karne]

I HAD INTERNET ISSUES. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM MY CAPITAL LETTERS I AMN QUITE DISPLEASED WITH COMCAST AT THE MOMENT.

I AM REREADING WHAT I HAVE MISSED.

[Citizen Karne]

AND BY 'AMN' I MEANT 'AM'.

[EGL]

I'm still trying to reread things, also. I'm on like page 12 and haven't seen the rise of the Netlava wagon yet, just I know from skipping ahead some that there is one. Where I'm at is BM (HAHAHA!) and his pact in the pregame.

[EGL]

For the record, I liked in the Fritz game where you could click on someone's name at the beginning and it would be a shortcut instead of having to use the search function, but I'll cope.

[Surye]

Sorry, I got lost in my read through, and distracted by games and life. I owe you guys a real post real soon.

[Cream147]

Right guys, I'm so so sorry I haven't posted lately. I've been on an unforseen VLA lately. Will make a real post shortly, but need to post this in all my games first.

[Lowell]

Starting way back on page 27:

667- Cass leads with 5 votes (netlava, veronica, opposedforce, Lowell, korts)
671- markfg votes dynamo for rolefishing
706- cass still with 5, dynamo (armlx, BM, hasdg, markfg) and armlx with 4
728- sineish votes cass for avoiding suspicion for voting habits [very town]
734- korts unvotes cass, votes dynamo
740- cass votes dynamo for buddying with armlx [easiest target]
743- Lowell unvotes cass, votes dynamo, calls 740 opportunistic
748- dynamo leads with 6 votes, cass has 5
749- citizen karne thinks dynamo is "poorly playing town", FOS armlx, says he's prepared to vote dynamo [scummy]
751- earthworm votes dynamo
752- raider votes dynamo for rolefish
753- strangercoug votes dynamo for inconsistent play, appeals to emotion
754- netlava gets newb feel from dynamo, calls him innocent [scummy]
762- cephir votes dynamo, wants a claim [townish]
763- dynamo has 11 votes, cass 4
767- nhat votes dynamo for not defending himself, 12 votes [townish]
772- netlava says he'll wait to see what others do [scummy]
775- EA calls dynamo town, tells him to try harder [scummy, coaching]
799- netlava votes dynamo
801- cass shows up to say she agrees still [odd]
803- sineish unvotes, votes dynamo
819- cream has second thoughts, thinks dynamo is town, tells him not to self-hammer [strangely town]
822- cephir unvotes dynamo
828- BM votes EA
830- nhat unvotes dynamo, votes netlava for not explaining vote [scummy]
832- strangercoug agrees, unvotes, votes netlava
834- cream votes netlava
837- cass FOSs netlava [why no vote?]
848- dynamo leads w/ 10 votes, all others 2 or less
854- netlava admits he doesnt think dynamo is scum, votes cass for her reaction
870- citizen karne wants to set up multiple lynches [scummy]
880- dynamo down to 9 votes
882- SC revotes dynamo
906- karne votes dynamo
923- nhat votes dynamo
927- cyberbob votes dynamo, criticizes others for "dithering" [good]
933- korts votes dynamo, agrees with karne [strange...]
935- dynamo self-hammers
936- korts is outraged
945- cass "hopes" dynamo is scum and asserts that she doesn't "regret" her vote [very scummy]
956- dynamo flips town; EA, roleblocker, dies N1
964- has votes netlava
985- cyberbob votes netlava for waiting for others' approval [good]
988- cass FOSs korts, agrees with everything [scummy]
993- SC votes netlava
1000- netlava votes cass
1002- armlx votes netlava for not responding to case against him
1014- netlava leads w/ 5 votes (has, cyber, nhat, strangercoug, armlx)
1019- sineish votes netlava for voting for dynamo despite not thinking he was scum
1021- blakadder votes netlava for same reasons
1022- cass FOSs netlava, but says there are a whole list of people she wants to look at first
1027- BM votes armlx
1048- netlava leads with 7 votes
1056- netlava explains himself, calls vote no big deal [good]
1065- korts votes skruffs
1077- korts votes cass
1095- cass votes blakadder, believes netlava's explanation [good]
1102- SC votes korts
1103- Lowell votes cass
1178- netlava leads w/ 6 votes
1227- raider votes netlava for not explaining himself
1232- karne points out cass' scumminess [good]
1240- skruffs votes armlx for odd playstyle
1264- SC votes korts

Some thoughts:

1) I'm not on board with the

netlava

wagon. I don't think voting for someone for expediency is necessarily a bad thing. Several other players have said almost as much at various times in this game alone. At deadline, it's sometimes necessary to bend to the will of others rather than be stubborn and allow nothing to get done. As well, I liked post 1056. He explained himself calmly and with more or less what I was thinking as I read along. His posts read much better than I remember overall.

2) Other players I've been impressed with are

sineish

(His 728 was right on the money, and even his vote for dynamo in post 803 is good at the time),

citizen karne

(I found 870 scummy but in light of D2 posts I read it as a sort of newbish town play),

stranger coug

(he has varied his attacks and hasn't dodged the big-posters. Particularly his vote against korts is a good one), and

cream

(his behavior around the dynamo lynch strikes me as authentic, particularly 819).

3)

korts

comes off bad in reread. 933 is strange. He agrees with Karne's previous post that people have equivocated too much over dynamo, but HE had been one of the one equivocating. It looks like he wanted permission to vote, which is odd for so experienced a player. As well, his INSTANT rage at dynamo (936)for self-hammering looks very odd. It's only bad if he's town, and since korts VOTED for him, I'm not sure why such a reaction was necessary.

FOS korts

4) Still, the best case to be made is against

cass

. Her tentativeness throughout is jarring. In 740 she attacks the easiest target (dynamo) when she's under duress. 801 is bizairre, and 837 looks like a blatant attempt to join in an attack on a new target without actually voting. 988 is bad, as cass shows up just to agree with pretty much everything said before her (again, without committing to an actual vote that she'd have to defend). But the worst might be her D1 twilight post 945, in which she "hopes" dynamo is scum, and reaffirms her pride in her vote. This looks like she's setting up a "we all were fooled" D2 defense should it be needed, and just strikes me as completely unecessary-- like she's posting just because she wants to look good rather than add anything. The fact that, in her most recent post, she's about-faced and decided she accepts netlava's defense (without doing much to start a new wagon) is a point in netlava's favor.

[skitzer]

Vote Count Eleven of Day Two

(7) Netlava: hasdgfas, Cyberbob, EGL, armlx, Sineish, BlakAdder, raider8169
(2) Cass: Netlava, Lowell
(2) armlx: Battle Mage, Skruffs
(1) BlakAdder: Cass
(1) Skruffs: Korts
(1) Korts: StrangerCoug

(10) Not Voting: slanton2, Cephrir, markfg, Untitled, Cream147, Citizen Karne, MafiaMann, killa seven, Surye, The Only Ryan

With 24 alive, it takes 13 votes to lynch!

Last Post Count Eleven of Day Two

Key:
Green - posted in last 24 hours
Blue - posted in last 48 hours
Olive - Posted in last 72 hours
Red - Posted more than 72 hours ago, prodded
Dark Red - Requiring Replacement
Dark Blue - Vacation/Limited Access

EGL

slanton2

killa seven

The Only Ryan

Skruffs

armlx

BlakAdder

Citizen Karne

Surye

Cream147

Lowell

raider8169

Netlava

Korts

StrangerCoug

Cyberbob

Sineish

Cass

Cephrir

Battle Mage

hasdgfas

MafiaMann

Untitled

markfg

Rich will replace markfg.
Tom Mason will replace Untitled.
Prodding Battle Mage and hasdgfas.

[StrangerCoug]

Lowell, your PBPA is lacking a little bit (the one thing I've caught is that you're inconsistent with mentioning unvotes), but I don't expect you to include every little detail and I like the rest of your post. I'm still good with my voting Korts, but I see the case on Cass now.

[hasdgfas]

I still like my vote on Netlava. Nothing has changed my mind

[raider8169]

Im here but at the moment I have nothing to add. The Cass case is something but I dont have an opinion yet.

[Korts]

Okay, then, Skruffs, whenever you're ready. But do the legwork, then. Because though you claim you're not ignoring me, you've made no mention of my problems with the analogy other than a promise to address them sometime in the future.

[Tom Mason]

I am here. I need to read up on things.

[Cephrir]

This looks like a day of competing wagons. Given the choice,

Vote: Cass

[Tom Mason]

I am going based off an instinct from reading the posts I have from this game. Trying to go all the way back, read everything, etc... It is causing a headache.

Netlava and Cass seem to be sticking out in people's minds as prospects. Oddly, they are voting against each other. Netlava seems more likely town to me from when I saw his post inquiring as to why someone thought Cass was a good vote, then down the road he was pushing a vote against her.

If we look at Cass, she has fished around and tried to point the finger at a few people. Instead of adding another vote to Netlava, like she did during the previous day against dynamo, she laid off and voted for blakadder -- random enough for you? The last day phase she seemed to push for dynamo's lynch... and look how successful that proved.

It just does not look right to me. I might be new to this game, but I am far from new to mafia.

Vote: Cass

[StrangerCoug]

This looks like a day of competing wagons. Given the choice,

Vote: Cass

Why her as opposed to the other suspects that have been brought up?

[Cyberbob]

This looks like a day of competing wagons.

What brought you to this conclusion given the fact that at the time of this post Cass only had two votes - the same number as armlx - and Netlava had (has) seven?