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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:07 pm

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In post 398, Three wrote:
In post 392, House wrote:
In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.
Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.
I'm arguing UTILITY.

Staying to think you're not really misunderstanding me.

This shit is getting pretty blatant.
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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:07 pm

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In post 399, redtea wrote:I think three made the point that my role is borderline negative-utility
I did.

Three echoed.
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:10 pm

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I feel like the two of you are more or less on the same page, even if you got there in a roundabout and crisscrossed way
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:16 pm

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In post 393, redtea wrote:
In post 388, Three wrote:
In post 386, House wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
This is where I'm at.

If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
jeez rude, I'm still a member of town and that has value.
In post 386, House wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.
This was exactly my reasoning a few posts ago.
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:17 pm

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In post 348, redtea wrote:Okay caught up didn't realize people did say I should claim
I'm a town complex vigilante. Explains the bulletproof mafia, but that's also why my claim might not be that helpful as the counterpart has already been revealed.
This claim seems too complicated to come from scum?
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:20 pm

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In post 352, Dwlee99 wrote:T3 do you still think I should hammer this? Does not sound smart
Hmmmm
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:26 pm

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In post 358, cool cookie wrote:i'm ambivalent about the claim. an outted traitor doesn't serve much purpose for mafia, so there isn't anything we particularly lose by giving redtea a night to prove the claim. gut is i don't buy it though
In post 364, Three wrote:
In post 339, T3 wrote:Eghhhh
I kind of see where jacket is coming from with fua obv scum though
How so?
Fua's vote on george gut pinged me as really terrible.
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:27 pm

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Spoiler: posts I was going to make before I almost died
In post 267, T3 wrote:
In post 241, Dwlee99 wrote:GeorgeBailey :cool:

Okay I'm gonna try to not spam the thread cause it looks like that already sort of happened and I'm normally spammy but something something game state here
This post feels slightly forced?
I know I'm about this kind of publicly self-conscious as both alignments
In post 243, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Three
Am interested in why this choice at the time the vote was made


I see where you're coming from but, especially the last quote felt like an attempt to shift focus to the actual game. A very "looks better in-context" kind of post.
which may or may not be ai considering tbh, but if it is it's town
In post 232, GeorgeBailey wrote:I mean, some people just deserve to be policy'd if they're making the game unfun for other people. Maf or not.

Pedit: it's been difficult to get reads so far with the Osetr stuff. I think House's and Fua's pressure early on is +town since it helped move the game forward. That's about it.
I want to check later I'm not jumping on locktowning someone before it's earned here, but without knowing their meta I'd bet strongly that Fua is town
I'm going to wait on House for now because I think I became biased over the course of one day lol


and then

Spoiler: @jacket
In post 230, Jacket wrote:T3's posts are awful.
bad take smh
In post 231, Jacket wrote:HawaiianPizza is town.

Thought GeorgeBailey was town early but need to see more from him.
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:29 pm

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In post 371, Jacket wrote:
In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario, so a failed kill should be considered a clear.
I think making assumptions about setup composition based on what you think is balanced is a very bad idea.
This is more reviewer meta though.
2 goons and a traitor never happens, it's almost always 2 prs and a traitor.
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:29 pm

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In post 400, House wrote:
In post 398, Three wrote:
In post 392, House wrote:
In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.
Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.
I'm arguing UTILITY.

Staying to think you're not really misunderstanding me.

This shit is getting pretty blatant.
Please take a second to breathe. This is the first time you mentioned utility, you specifically said PR before this. I don't really care about winning a semantics argument, especially since we're apparently on the same page anyway. So maybe drop this pointless back and forth.
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:29 pm

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In post 401, House wrote:
In post 399, redtea wrote:I think three made the point that my role is borderline negative-utility
I did.

Three echoed.
Why are you so tilted?
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:33 pm

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In post 403, Three wrote:
redtea wrote:i'll post my queer flag collection asdkjfnladsknf would that clear me
Queer townbloc sounds good to me.
aw yeah
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:36 pm

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this is ridiculous
if this isn't tvt i'll eat this delicious brownie
does scum go this hard over mechanics
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:37 pm

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In post 409, Three wrote:
In post 400, House wrote:
In post 398, Three wrote:
In post 392, House wrote:
In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.
Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.
I'm arguing UTILITY.

Staying to think you're not really misunderstanding me.

This shit is getting pretty blatant.
Please take a second to breathe. This is the first time you mentioned utility, you specifically said PR before this. I don't really care about winning a semantics argument, especially since we're apparently on the same page anyway. So maybe drop this pointless back and forth.
Utility is... what makes a PR... a PR...

A PR... without utility... is just a... named townie/scum...

400head.
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:37 pm

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or setup rather
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:38 pm

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In post 412, redtea wrote:this is ridiculous
if this isn't tvt i'll eat this delicious brownie
does scum go this hard over mechanics
It's TvT and I'm annoyed.
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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:39 pm

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In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
Depends
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:44 pm

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In post 412, redtea wrote:this is ridiculous
if this isn't tvt i'll eat this delicious brownie
does scum go this hard over mechanics
People tend to write off shitfights like this as tvt
in practice they are actually slightly >rand t/s
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:48 pm

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In post 406, T3 wrote:
In post 358, cool cookie wrote:i'm ambivalent about the claim. an outted traitor doesn't serve much purpose for mafia, so there isn't anything we particularly lose by giving redtea a night to prove the claim. gut is i don't buy it though
In post 364, Three wrote:
In post 339, T3 wrote:Eghhhh
I kind of see where jacket is coming from with fua obv scum though
How so?
Fua's vote on george gut pinged me as really terrible.
I see.

VOTE: Fua
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:01 pm

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In post 417, T3 wrote:
In post 412, redtea wrote:this is ridiculous
if this isn't tvt i'll eat this delicious brownie
does scum go this hard over mechanics
People tend to write off shitfights like this as tvt
in practice they are actually slightly >rand t/s
I guess I should've said that it wasnt just the back and forth, but the vibes of it plus the fact it's all over the place
interesting tho
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:02 pm

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i think also it depends on the players
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:07 pm

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*really* terrible?
is testing someone's scumhunt theory on page 2 *really* terrible?
something to poke into maybe but I wouldn't call it terrible
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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:13 pm

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Whatever happens, we shouldn’t eliminate redtea. By nature of their actual role, unless they and the informed townie are scum together, then they’re essentially confirmed town unless they get shot by the real vigilante overnight, no? I feel like anyone trying to push for them to die because of their ‘lack of utility’ just wants to see a townie die to begin with, and strikes me as incredibly suspicious. Not to mention that redtea doesn’t even have to shoot until we’re sure we’ve bagged a mafia.

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Your insistence on killing off someone who claimed a PR comes off as weird to me. Maybe the mafia has two power roles and you’re afraid of getting shot at night.
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:15 pm

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If we don’t believe the claim, then let the real vigilante shoot redtea at night. If redtea is still alive, that means that they’re a confirmed townie or we just found two scum covering for each other.
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:16 pm

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In post 35, fua wrote:VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Sure, I'll buy this and put some pressure here. I think trying to be quirky is weird too.
On reread, this does come off as really forced.

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