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[Muerrto]

I don't like Grimmy agreeing with me for the wrong reasons. You don't vote someone for scum just because he's being an ass(or pissy in your words). It's because his reactions have been overblown and his defense is basically 'duh I'm town stupid' is why I suspect him. Town should be able to do better than that.

FoS: Grimmy

Also

FoS: CP

for defending Tajo for the same wrong reasons. You said it was weird and rare for scum to get the townie win condition, yet Tony and Tajo placed that as a viable option. That's ridiculous. Also, how does Grimmy agreeing with me without me ever agreeing with anything Grimmy said in the entire game link us as scum partners? That's a bad strawman there.

[TonyMontana]

Another suspect: Tony Montana.
you seem to be defending Tajo a little TOO much.
-if he flips town, you feel it will clear you as you attached yourself to him with your defense of him.
-If he flips scum, and you are his scum buddy, people will think that you made the mistake of buddying to scum and got fooled. This provides cover for you (I beleive someone put together a "if tajo is scum, then tony is town" arguement earlier)

So basically, you are using wifom to turn both of tajo's hypothetical flips into scumtells for me?

[Muerrto]

Another suspect: Tony Montana.
you seem to be defending Tajo a little TOO much.
-if he flips town, you feel it will clear you as you attached yourself to him with your defense of him.
-If he flips scum, and you are his scum buddy, people will think that you made the mistake of buddying to scum and got fooled. This provides cover for you (I beleive someone put together a "if tajo is scum, then tony is town" arguement earlier)

So basically, you are using wifom to turn both of tajo's hypothetical flips into scumtells for me?

Is that anything similar to you using WIFOM to saying because tajo said he's town(by 'quoting' his PM) that he's town and since I disagree I'm scum?

[TonyMontana]

Is that anything similar to you using WIFOM to saying because tajo said he's town(by 'quoting' his PM) that he's town and since I disagree I'm scum?

No. Not similar at all.

[competentpsycho]

You don't vote someone for scum just because he's being an ass(or pissy in your words).

I agree

for defending Tajo for the same wrong reasons. You said it was weird and rare for scum to get the townie win condition, yet Tony and Tajo placed that as a viable option. That's ridiculous.

I dont understand your argument here. When did Tony or Tajo say that was a viable option? Are you making stuff up or did I just miss it? Why would they even say that as it would weaken their case as being town because of that win condition?

Also, how does Grimmy agreeing with me without me ever agreeing with anything Grimmy said in the entire game link us as scum partners? That's a bad strawman there.

I never LINKED you two or said I did. I said you were both scummy, yes, but from completely separate instances. You seem to be REALLY defensive when someone mentions your name near some one else's name in their post. I have seen no specific actions to link you two together, I just think you both are a little scummy. This kind of overblown reaction is one reason my vote is on you. You are the one strawmanning here, saying that I am trying to link you (and that tajo tried to link you/Ergo). Stop making shit up man.

Is that anything similar to you using WIFOM to saying because tajo said he's town(by 'quoting' his PM) that he's town and since I disagree I'm scum?

Here you go strawmanning again. Find the post for me that says Tony thinks you are scum because you disagree that tajo is town. If you are gonna make accusations like this, use QUOTES. Or at least a link to the post.

[Grimmy]

note:
Im out until monday or tuesday. (Monday will be backed up due to early leaving today and im unavailable for weekends)

Grimmy

[Muerrto]

Is that anything similar to you using WIFOM to saying because tajo said he's town(by 'quoting' his PM) that he's town and since I disagree I'm scum?

No. Not similar at all.

Can you post your case on me then?

[Muerrto]

hmmm... my vote stays with Muerrto for now, but its getting close. I'm thinking both he and Grim are probably scum.

How does this not link us?

[Battousai]

Hmm, no one seems to have picked up on me asking for the day to come to a close. So, I saw we lynch Tony today, and see what info we can get from that, the NK, and the outcome of tajo's claim.

Right now, it seems that the consensus is that we all want Tony, Tajo, or Muerrto (possible Ergo, Grimmy as well) lynched the most. I suggest that we compare the three people's cases. I know this narrows the choices, but I feel this type of strategy of comparing cases is best in order to have a better chance of lynching scum. Opinions?

[competentpsycho]

Also, how does Grimmy agreeing with me without me ever agreeing with anything Grimmy said in the entire game link us as scum partners?

hmmm... my vote stays with Muerrto for now, but its getting close. I'm thinking both he and Grim are probably scum.

How does this not link us?

It links you in the sense that I said you both were scummy for your own reasons. But as you can see by the first quote you accused me of linking you for Grimmy agreeing with you. I am pretty sure making someone's argument out to be something that it is not in order to defeat it is the textbook definition of a Strawman, and a fairly good scumtell in my book.

Also,

Wheres Muerrto and Ergo?
Mod: Prod them.

How did this link you two? I have never seen anyone suspect two people of being scumpartners from being away from the thread for a while at the same time. Yes you posted right before him, but only by 2 minutes and his post was extremely long, so I can easily see how he didn't see it. Your post before that was over 1.5 days before, and seeing as how you were posting fairly often right before that, I could see it, not agree with it, but see where he was coming from.

@Batt - I think the longer we go the more information we will get, but it will also cause people to lose interest in the game. I just came in so I am not burned out on D1, but I will agree if the people that have been in this game from early on want to end the day. I would say wait until Voodoo gets replaced, but I don't know how long that is going to take.

[ShadowGirl]

@Batt - I think the longer we go the more information we will get, but it will also cause people to lose interest in the game. I just came in so I am not burned out on D1, but I will agree if the people that have been in this game from early on want to end the day. I would say wait until Voodoo gets replaced, but I don't know how long that is going to take.

This. Seeing as how this game is starting to a lag a bit, I wouldn't mind speeding it up a bit [not so fast that we just lynch anybody to end the day]. Still, hopefully we get a Voodoo replacement but it took awhile to get one for nhat...

[populartajo]

I refuse to end this day until
a) A replacement has been gound.
b) Muerrto does a player by player analysis.

[skitzer]

Vote Count Equations At the Moment:

populartajo = +fuzzylightning+Muerrto+Falcone+Grimmy = 4
Muerrto = +populartajo+TonyMontana+competentpsycho = 3
Grimmy = +Vivian Darkblaam+Voodo-Grimmy = 1
Falcone = +Erg0 = 1
TonyMontana = -TonyMontana+Battousai+ShadowGirl = 1
Erg0 = = 0
Vivian Darkblaam = = 0
Voodo = = 0
Battousai = = 0
fuzzylightning = = 0
ShadowGirl = = 0
competentpsycho = = 0
Jimmybot = -Vivian Darkblaam-Erg0-ShadowGirl-competentpsycho = -4

Not Voting = -Falcone-Muerrto-populartajo-Voodo-Battousai-fuzzylightning = -6

FoS Count:

Falcone has pointed two fingers of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at Timeater!
Falcone has pointed a finger of suspicion at Battousai!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at Voodo!
Falcone has pointed a finger of suspicion at populartajo!
Muerrto has pointed a finger of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Muerrto has pointed a finger of suspicion at competentpsycho!
Muerrto has pointed a finger of suspicion at Grimmy!

Note: The win condition may not be the same for all players and/or factions.

[competentpsycho]

Oh, yeah and we still need to negative lynch Jimmybot. Almost forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder with the votecount, skitz.

[Muerrto]

I have never seen anyone suspect two people of being scumpartners from being away from the thread for a while at the same time. Yes you posted right before him, but only by 2 minutes and his post was extremely long, so I can easily see how he didn't see it. Your post before that was over 1.5 days before, and seeing as how you were posting fairly often right before that, I could see it, not agree with it, but see where he was coming from.

My post before that was less than 24 hours before and it was over the weekend. In addition there were others that it had been longer since they posted that he didn't call out. Can you explain that?

[populartajo]

Im glad someone finally reads my posts.
@Muerto
I already admitted that modprod was a mistake.
Now, stop evading the question. Why the hell did you vote me in that post?
An when are you going to do that PBPA?

[competentpsycho]

I have never seen anyone suspect two people of being scumpartners from being away from the thread for a while at the same time. Yes you posted right before him, but only by 2 minutes and his post was extremely long, so I can easily see how he didn't see it. Your post before that was over 1.5 days before, and seeing as how you were posting fairly often right before that, I could see it, not agree with it, but see where he was coming from.

My post before that was less than 24 hours before and it was over the weekend. In addition there were others that it had been longer since they posted that he didn't call out. Can you explain that?

Other than being a mistake, no. Perhaps a mistake like the <24 hours. His

post

where he asked for the prod was at Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:11 am. You had the one 2 minutes prior. The

one

before that was at Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:51 am. (times are in central us time I believe - haven't changed my forum settings from home) Now, yes I missed this one last time I looked, but this time I checked closely. That is over 24 in fact over 27. Proof

here

where you can see you actually made no posts on the site within 27 hours before. See, this goes to show you that everyone - you, me, and even populartajo included, can make mistakes.

Sooo... look who is avoiding questions now. I will post it again to make it clear that I would like an answer as would some other people I am sure:

Wheres Muerrto and Ergo?
Mod: Prod them.

How did this link you two?

I guess I could make it more clear: how did it link you other than being in the same line? He was not saying you were scum buddies, he wasn't even saying you were scummy at this point. So how did you construe this as him trying to link you, feeling sure enough he was to vote on him?

(Oh, crap I added a question... that means I am expecting two (2) answers)

Im glad someone finally reads my posts.

An advantage to joining the game late: I read that post of yours less than a week ago so this stuff was still fresh in my mind. I don't see why anyone else doesn't see this though.

[competentpsycho]

Thought I included this in the last post but guess not:

An when are you going to do that PBPA?

He never said he was going to, and I don't think you ever asked him to, let alone nicely. You just said you refuse to end the day until he does, then rudely ask him when he is going to do it. Maybe if you were a little more polite about things people might just listen to what you have to say.

[ShadowGirl]

Mm, Tajo, when did you ask Muerrto to make a PBA?

[Falcone]

Negative vote: JimmyBot

I have to say I'm slowly losing intrest in this game. This day should end pretty soon.

Since no one has responded to my question about the win conditions, I'm going to assume that all protown players have the same win condition.

I'm fine with lynching any of the following players: populartajo, TonyMontana, Grimmy, Battousai, Muerrto.

[ShadowGirl]

You didn't bold the vote, Falcone. <3

[Muerrto]

Will try and post either tonight, tomorrow night(both football) or tuesday more likely. PBPA proably isn't happening at 18 pages. And before anyone talks aout lurking please notice I made this exact same post in another of my games. Sorry NFL > mafia.

[Vivian Darkblaam]

Mm, Tajo, when did you ask Muerrto to make a PBA?

I don't know as if he did, but I did ask him for a succicnt, coherent summary of his case on tajo which I still would like very much to see.

I'm a long day guy(gal), so I can probably keep trucking along for however long it takes us to come to a decision.

Muerrto and tajo need to chill. If they're both townies, all the ad hominem they're throwing around is just perpetuating and entrenching a debate that doesn't have to be happening. They have to realize that we, as the rest of the town, don't feel like wading through personal attacks, and it's much harder to join the conversation and make a decision when all posting is directed to an individual rather than to the town. We really need both of them to make clear, well-thought-out posts so we can decide (at least) what each suspects the other of.

I think the number of people who have come to discount tajo's claim is curious. No, it is not easy to guess the townie win condition. There are several options to choose from, and you often can't just "reverse" the win condition given to another faction in order to find it out. Either tajo is very gutsy and lucky, he was given the town win-condition, or he is telling the truth. To my mind, the third item trumps the others by a margin wide enough to leave tajo be for at least today.

Muerrto's 425 is a bit of an interesting read. First he FOS's Grimmy for

attacking

tajo for the wrong reasons. Then he FOS's CP for

defending

tajo for the wrong reasons. Taken in the way that potentially makes the most sense, this is still saying that Grimmy is bussing (on the third vote of the wagon). Do you have anything to say to this Muerrto?

[TonyMontana]

for defending Tajo for the same wrong reasons. You said it was weird and rare for scum to get the townie win condition, yet Tony and Tajo placed that as a viable option. That's ridiculous.

I have never said that was a viable option. I have never heard of this occurring before, and I think it's even more rare than the win condition is.

[Grimmy]

unvote negative vote

Im curious at to where this could lead

negative vote: jimmybot

Also, one of the votes has not been counted for tajo, as there are four names but a three next to the vote count. Mistake or something else (zero voter, vote moved, etc.)

just a quick post befor egetting back to rl drama

Grimmy