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[Nero Cain]

Well then, I'm back to my theory that the scum stayed off the CSF wagon.

I thought this too but what if the reason that CSF got off the Wake wagon is b/c there was already scum there and they didn't want to bunch up?

[DrippingGoofball]

Well then, I'm back to my theory that the scum stayed off the CSF wagon.

I thought this too but what if the reason that CSF got off the Wake wagon is b/c there was already scum there and they didn't want to bunch up?

I think we're talking about different wagons.

I agree that CSF may have ditched the Wake88 wagon because it was already scum-laden.

I was referring to the Day 2 wagon on CSF. After losing a scum PR on Day 1, the prospect of losing another scum PR on Day 2 might have put a damper on bus'ing.

[DrippingGoofball]

Wake88

(Hammered!) -

Titus

,

Almost50

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

MathBlade

,

Dragon of the West

,

Nero Cain

,

Wake88

The last scum is in there.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dragon has a point here.

Spoiler:

Yeah it was aimless shade but it’s very early.

Now why would you say that, Gamma?

I don't like the idea of shade being "aimless." Last I checked throwing shade for no reason sure as Hell doesn't read Town to me. It being early doesn't matter much at all.

Do me a solid... read my last 50 posts and give me a quick and dirty opinion of my slot.

I won't hold you to it after a thorough read. It's more for other reasons.

You're not trying to rush me, are you?

You had better hope you aren't.

I'll be combing my way through at my own pace. What's the point of rushing? We've got time.

Yeah it was aimless shade but it’s very early.

Now why would you say that, Gamma?

I don't like the idea of shade being "aimless." Last I checked throwing shade for no reason sure as Hell doesn't read Town to me. It being early doesn't matter much at all.

Do me a solid... read my last 50 posts and give me a quick and dirty opinion of my slot.

I won't hold you to it after a thorough read. It's more for other reasons.

You're not trying to rush me, are you?

You had better hope you aren't.

I'll be combing my way through at my own pace. What's the point of rushing? We've got time.

Obviously not, as I already told you that I wouldn't hold that opinion against you after a thorough read.

Why are you so paranoid about a simple request?

And these feel like scum theater to help Wake ease into a game he missed the first thousand posts of

[DrippingGoofball]

Kyouko is bland like Pablum when dealing with Wake. DotW however is openly aggressive.

On page 9.

Two things:

1) I can't read Titus.

2) Mathblade, could you stop being coy?

You guys have each other in your signatures, aren't you friends? Weird energy in here tonight.

Why even post if you're not gonna say anything?

Wake has said nothing of substance up until this point. He's literally just "argued" with House for a few pages and then made random statements that don't have any really bearing on the game

[DrippingGoofball]

Kerset was stuck on a CSF vanity wagon much of day 1. The stability of the vote is very scummy, scum doesn't like to jump all over the place, they like to appear "consistent." Scum fears being accused of being inconsistent.

Despite having been stuck on CSF nearly the whole of Day 1, Kerset never votes CSF on Day 2 - except to hammer.

See for yourselves.

viewtopic.php?p=13032333#p13032333

VOTE: Kerset

If that doesn't end the game, slaying Kyouko will.

[DrippingGoofball]

Maybe the Wake wagon was pure.

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 3.08

Dragon of the West (2)

- Titus, DrippingGoofball

Andresvmb (1)

- MathBlade

MathBlade (1)

- Andresvmb

Titus (1)

- Nero Cain

DrippingGoofball (1)

- House

Not voting (4)

: Dragon of the West, Kerset, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko

It takes

6

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-12 08:11:31)

I will hammer anything except me or Titus unless I am on it.

[Nero Cain]

kerset/dotw/house/titus is prob a good POE

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wake

Heh.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: DotW

[Dragon of the West]

Vote Count 2.15

Ythan (E-2)

- Almost50, House, Titus, Kerset, DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball (3)

- Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade, Nero Cain

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

MathBlade (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1)

: Ythan

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.16

Ythan (E-2)

- Almost50, House, Titus, Kerset, DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball (3)

- Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade, Nero Cain

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

MathBlade (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1)

: Ythan

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Andresvmb has been prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-29 08:08:16) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.17

Ythan (E-2)

- Almost50, House, Titus, Kerset, DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball (3)

- Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade, Nero Cain

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

Not voting (1)

: Ythan

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Andresvmb was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-29 08:08:16) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.18

Ythan (E-1)

- Almost50, House, Titus, Kerset, DrippingGoofball, Nero Cain

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade

DrippingGoofball (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

Not voting (1)

: Ythan

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Andresvmb was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-29 08:08:16) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

If I was scum, I would have found a reason to hop on Ythan AT SOME POINT yesterDay. CSF got wagoned and the wagon lost steam multiple times until I compromised and put CSF at L-1. I'm not pretending I pushed CSF's wagon because my read there was weak as all hell and I didn't really have strong thoughts on the slot. But if I was scum with CSF, I wouldn't have just watched their wagon build and fade over and over again without jumping on the other feasible wagon when it finally presented itself and they claimed cop, just to turn around and NK it

[Dragon of the West]

Of the claimed VTs, I can really only see Kerset as possible scum right now. I still think Andres and Kyo are their town selves.
I've never seen DGB want it this bad or put this much effort into solving so I feel paranoia there, but not enough to lim it. I'm mainly suspecting of Titus and House, I think one of them has a completely backwards read on the other. A50 and Math are mechanically locktown and obviously Nero is conf!town

[Dragon of the West]

I plan to go back to the beginning of D3 and truly catch up from there, just need some time sitting at my computer. I'm sick of being on mobile

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Kerset

[MathBlade]

I need a vote count people #lazyMath

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 3.10

Dragon of the West (3)

- Titus, Nero Cain, ssbm_Kyouko

Andresvmb (1)

- MathBlade

MathBlade (1)

- Andresvmb

DrippingGoofball (1)

- House

Kerset (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Not voting (3)

: Dragon of the West, Kerset, Almost50

It takes

6

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-12 08:11:31)

[House]

I'm not moving off DGB until one of us is dead.

Do with that what you will.

[MathBlade]

This wagon structure makes no sense with one or two scum alive. Pretty much screams DoTW town though otherwise woulda reached E-1 I think. Those of you on DoTW what do you make DoTW hasn’t reached E - 1 despite me claiming not mafia clone?

[Titus]

I'm not moving off DGB until one of us is dead.

Do with that what you will.

*facepalm*

This wagon structure makes no sense with one or two scum alive. Pretty much screams DoTW town though otherwise woulda reached E-1 I think. Those of you on DoTW what do you make DoTW hasn’t reached E - 1 despite me claiming not mafia clone?

*double facepalm*

[Titus]

DotW and Kyouko are the only two places I intend to vote.

[MathBlade]

I'm not moving off DGB until one of us is dead.

Do with that what you will.

*facepalm*

This wagon structure makes no sense with one or two scum alive. Pretty much screams DoTW town though otherwise woulda reached E-1 I think. Those of you on DoTW what do you make DoTW hasn’t reached E - 1 despite me claiming not mafia clone?

*double facepalm*

You wanna use some words here?

[House]

I'm not moving off DGB until one of us is dead.

Do with that what you will.

*facepalm*

This wagon structure makes no sense with one or two scum alive. Pretty much screams DoTW town though otherwise woulda reached E-1 I think. Those of you on DoTW what do you make DoTW hasn’t reached E - 1 despite me claiming not mafia clone?

*double facepalm*

You wanna use some words here?

She used 3.

That qualifies as "some".

[Almost50]

This game! *Sigh*

OK, I will try another approach. I will reset all my reads and pretend that I've just replaced in, do a double ISO of mod+each player one at a time, and see where that gets me

[Almost50]

First, I am doing a KERSET + Dwlee ISO. Note that I may still comment on other stuff I see on the VCs, such as this one:

Vote Count 1.01

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

- Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, DrippingGoofball

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Nero Cain (1)

- MathBlade

Mathblade (1)

- Nero Cain

Cat Scatching Fever (1)

- Titus

DrippingGoofball (1)

- House

Not voting (4)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb, Almost50

At this pont Kerset had yet to enter the game (had not posted). CSF is on kyouko. I doubt early bussing there, so I very much doubt Kyouko flips red. I also can't see TWO SCUMS on that wagon that ealr, so DGB is very likely cleared *Yes.. nothing "conclusive", but DGB & Kyouko at least earn Town points from this VC)

Its time to kill CSF

Not sure if Kerset distances from the start without giving a reason. It doesn't earn him/her anything the way he/she put it.

leave poor DBG alone you cruel animal, so many things happened

I don't if this is a pocket attempt. I mean, if Kerset is Scum it sure was, but from where I stand right now I can't tell.

539 does look like an attempt to analyze the situation. I'll give Kerset that.

Vote Count 1.05

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (3)

- Andresvmb, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (2)

: Wake88, Kerset

Again; is this distancing? Did they both decide to distance from each other with Wake inactive? Did they really want the Town to decide on it's own?

Kerset, why do you think DGB is town? Why am I scum pushing DGB?

Why would you be pushing DGB? There is no natural reason, just an excuse of claim thing.

Another "not so partenery behaviour" IMHO

Vote Count 1.10

Ythan (3)

- Andresvmb, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

Dragon of the West (3)

- Titus, House, MathBlade

Nero Cain (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Kerset (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

MathBlade (1)

- Dragon of the West

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, Ythan

If Kerset is Scum here it means both leading wagons were pure AND on Town. Maybe Scum didn't feel the need to intervene and decided to let Town implode on itself?

Of course, one could look from another angle and say scum was on either Ythan or DotW, which would mean Kerset is clear.

Another could argue Ythan was the Town wagon to Scum!DotW, but that begs the question: Why were all 3 Scums (including DotW himself) not voting there?

This IMHO is worth giving DotW a Town point as well.

Vote Count 1.12

Dragon of the West (E-2)

- Titus, House, MathBlade, Cat Scratch Fever, Almost50

Ythan (2)

- Andresvmb, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)

- Dragon of the West

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Titus (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, Ythan

An even more interesting VC that should clear DotW IMHO. Unless the scum strategy was "we

need

to sacrifice one of us on D1".

Dragon has just activity issues, no major reason to hunt.

And Kerset is soft defending him. Unless they're both Scum together this should clear Kesrset as well, but I'll keep on reading.

Then came this:

On other hand you got Cat, who has decent activity and doesn't care about anything that is going on. All that cat cares about is my SR.

VOTE: CSF

In what world does Scum!Kerset decide to try and defuse a wagon on Town!DotW and start one on Scum!CSF?

OK. In what world does Scum!Kerset try to save Scum!DotW by starting a wagon on on Scum!CSF?

Nero how does regular wake-house relation look like?

And setting up the other Scum too?? Kerset must be RC-level Scum if that's the case.

My generic take would be that wake and house staged an argue but those two players got a bond. It's hard to expect them to act in generic way to towards each other. Idk why do you expect that.

Again.. doesn't look like how you would treat a partner while you're voting the other while a wagon on TOWN is about to bear some fruit, and even less so if DotW is Scum with Kerset (i.e. 4 Scums). Not seeing it.

Vote Count 1.15

Dragon of the West (3)

- Titus, Cat Scratch Fever, Almost50

Titus (2)

- ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

MathBlade (1)

- Dragon of the West

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- MathBlade

Nero Cain (1)

- House

Not voting (2)

: Ythan, DrippingGoofball

Vote Count 1.18

Dragon of the West (E-2)

- Titus, Cat Scratch Fever, Almost50, House, MathBlade

Titus (2)

- ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Not voting (1)

: DrippingGoofball

House and Math don't look great from these two VCs. The DotW was dissolving and the VC was flattening with CSF still wanting to get DotW, so it could be the case that another Scum decided to give that another try

Vote Count 1.19

Dragon of the West (4)

- Titus, Almost50, House, MathBlade

Titus (2)

- ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Andresvmb (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Wake88 (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Now here's a thing: WHy would CDF abandon the DotW wagon to start one of her partner Wake? If someone says that's similar to what Kerset did earlier (trying to defuse the wagon on DotW in favour of one on CSF) that'd be too much. Are you telling BOTH Scum (Kerset & CSF) have decided to distance from each other/Wake and let a mislim slip away?

A -much simpler- explanation is "another Scum had joined the wagon which Scum knew was flipping TOWN, so wanted only one of them on board". Either that or CSF felt Dragon's catch up looked really Town that his flip would make her look bad.

Again: DotW is TOWN anyway you slice it from this alone

Vote Count 1.22

Dragon of the West (3)

- Titus, Almost50, House

Titus (2)

- ssbm_Kyouko, DrippingGoofball

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Wake88 (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

If we go by a Kerset/CSF/Wake team; Wake is the only one voting a townie here. It doesn't make any sense that the Scum are avoiding all top wagons which should all be on TOWN. If we -hypothetically- assume House is Scum this VC makes much more sense.

Vote Count 1.24

Dragon of the West (2)

- Titus, Almost50

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

Almost50 (2)

- Wake88, DrippingGoofball

Wake88 (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, House

Titus (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

And here, it does make that the 2 scums are on their 3rd who has not been doing good at all. It also explains why Wake was pissed.

Vote Count 1.26

Almost50 (4)

- Wake88, DrippingGoofball, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade

Wake88 (3)

- Cat Scratch Fever, House, Titus

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

Dragon of the West (1)

- Almost50

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Not voting (0)

:

Math choosing me over Wake doesn't look good either. I'd have to check if that was before or after my "Watcher crumb" when I do Math's ISO

Are you still focused on an Andre lynch or no?

Yea

Vote Count 1.30

Andresvmb (4)

- Kerset, House, DrippingGoofball, Wake88

Wake88 (3)

- Titus, Almost50, MathBlade

House (3)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, ssbm_Kyouko

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Kerset (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (0)

:

Why does Wake vote Andres here? Because Andres is TOWN! (It doesn't mean House must be Scum here, but just that Andres is TOWN).

ALSO, ANDRE IS TOWN BECAUSE OF [ONGOING]

and I'm 100% sure of it (as sure as if it was mod confirmed)

Vote Count 1.31

House (4)

- Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade, Nero Cain

Andresvmb (3)

- Kerset, DrippingGoofball, Wake88

Wake88 (2)

- Titus, Almost50

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1)

- House

Not voting (1)

: Cat Scratch Fever

Now this one is confusing even to my moon!logic. Assuming HOUSE/Wake/CSF Scum team, what are they doing exactly? Did House fear he was going to flip and decide to distance?? I mean, it doesn't work that way, does it?

Case in point:

I claim Town JoaT: 1x Neighborizer, 1x Jailkeeper, 1x Watcher

It's not true, but chances of counter are crazy slim.

so first this fakeclaim,
the actual one had Rolecop instead of Watcher

THIS! This, ladies and gentlemen. It made me interrupt my ISO of Kerset and go back to HOUSE' claim advancement. He started with JK & Watcher and ended up with RB & Rolecop instead.

Check this out:

Case in point:

I claim Town JoaT: 1x Neighborizer,

1x Jailkeeper

,

1x Watcher

It's not true, but chances of counter are crazy slim.

Thinks look hard (they’re not) ==> simple
Keep things in perspective ==>

jailkeeper

I feel like mechanically Math and House will sort themselves out. There's no way this is theatre so I'mma big dip on this
VOTE: Wake
Still down for Titus, Ythan, A50, but Wake actually has a wagon.

Less down for A50 because of the Watcher softs

. Now that we have 2 claims out I think it's good to voice this now rather than waiting until toMorrow which was originally what I'd planned. I think making sure that town!Math and town!House and the scumteam aware of the softs is good now because if all 3 are town it's going to make it difficult for scum to choose correctly.

House, why didn't we have a party? You said you wanted to get a shiny neighborhood with me.

Since I was outed, I figured I'd likely be the n1 kill so I targeted DGB in an effort to survive.

Wait, what's your claim? It's not roleblocker?

JoaT

Neighborizer

Complex Roleblocker

Lazy Rolecop

Add to this his alleged confusion between the RB & RC modifiers and you just know this was a fake claim from the very beginning. Here:

Hey House, how did you cop DGB when you're lazy?

Hey House, how did you cop DGB when you're lazy?

I had my modifiers backwards, lol.

Double-checked last night.

It doesn't make sense for House to double check only on N3 after he had been pushing for a SGB lim all day on D2 based on his choice to Roleblock a claimed Neighbor over using his Rolecop on Someone else. That's way too may "brain farts" in one lousy claim to be considered genuine.

I don't need to ISO anyone else at this time. HOUSE IS THE LAST SCUM

VOTE: House