Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like "what benefit does lying have for me here?" is very simple if you're scum.

11. Death is final?

Oh no.

You don't think....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm around.

Moving from this chair will prove hard, given somebody broke league and managed to perma-exhaust me.

URF mode?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Too much DPS.

We're dying and going to another thread, aren't we.

Did someone pick Truck-kun?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd.

It's not 3, it's 4. Yeah? You get me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I knew that a long time ago yes.

I get it. Promise.

You think it's... Bonus Time, right?

It has to be Bonus Time, or none of this makes a lick of sense

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My guess at this point is we're gonna get Isekai'd into Inception-esque second layer.

With stuff flowing somehow between layers....

It's also 1am and i'm stuck in a cage and rambling but hey./

That is what I meant by bonus game, yes

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Y’all are never gonna guess ours :3

Magical Knight Reyearth.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes that’s right.
I’m one of

those

guys.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Y’all are never gonna guess ours :3

The Hero is Overpowered but Overly Cautious

Wait that got an anime I thought it was only a novel

Yep, it got a show. Was okay!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Until he "dies"?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

tbf I lost all hope when I saw one of the title being “I hit max level by only killing slimes” or some shit

Slime 300 is great and wholesome and kindhearted and I love it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Tag yourself I'm Pondeli

I'm Laika and you know I'm Laika, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My kingdom for them animating the spinoff Demon Minister series.

I just want them to animate Only Sense Online

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh and BOFURI SEASON 2

[Lady Lambdadelta]

v/la have a flight soon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yep, that is what I thought 72 hours ago!

Flips at the end of the night changed things. Flabbergasted they didn’t for you.

Agree. I apparently voted the wrong person.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is... Interesting.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't understand the Manatee kill at all

Once Titus flipped at the end of the night what happened was pretty clear :/

it took me a second but yeah I also pretty much realized manatee had to have misread her role PM

Then why was your vote on her?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So all this means is that you were planning this from day 1, whether town or scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd Gamma Marci
Cabd Dunnstral Marci (ehhhh)
Cabd kyouko Marci

Gamma Kate Luke
Gamma Kate Dunn (???????)
Gamma Kate Kyouko (=/)

My mind is p set that it's like gamma cabd Marci or gamma kate like

And in either case we should remove Gamma

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait they are? I thought Gamma was unwnd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who is Unwnd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ah I am missing wheme

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uhh gotta re think again now since my showrr thoughts were falty infommm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

People know I am Katie from Spider Desu Ka.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

wtf lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jist claim then Luke

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh yeah. Titus made a neighbourhood with me last night and then promptly died.

lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...so why was the neighbourhood not locked

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh fuck maybe I can communicate with the dead now?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

People know I am Katie from Spider Desu Ka.

I kinda didn't know that (I knew you were katia but not what you were from)
What I DO know is why the brainwashing thing made me feel very squishy

You are not the only one, trust. I see all these cool roles and I get... Don't worry about it. Lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was told Titus couldn't post in it, but I assume Titus can read it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hi, I am a chobi the chocobo.

I have a somewhat dumb role, that is FF flavored, and triggers on my death. (the three things my original soft were supposed to include)

When I die, core game mechanics break for some reason.

The game stops being a majority vote, and turns into a plurality vote system. Also, the length of the day phases changes from 2 weeks, to an unknown deadline that is randomly chosen, but is guaranteed to be more then 1 week long. Because the deadline is unknown, there is no longer a countdown timer given by the mod.

wait wtf

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nah I was responding to Gamma first time lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nah I was responding to Gamma first time lol

what about what I said was wtf lol-worthy

If you are Marci.

And Cabd is convinced Marci was confirmed town because shiro.

And you are saying "no not shiro"

That is wtf worthy

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That is wtf worthy

Welcome to my life, apparently.

Can I post a get owned gif but have you know it is in good fun and not intended to actually beat you up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ehhh I will refrain.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, do you have any way of knowing if you performed the kill?

I haven't been informed of it, at least, so I suspect not.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

please don't vote in melo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have read and seen it all

What do you want to know?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm loathe to claim this, but

if the scum kill is ever blocked or stopped or doesn't occur for any reason, the brainwash is broken and i become a one shot day vig

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what the fuck

I told you. Too much DPS=Too many kills.

But then most of the people who had kill abilities flipped town so wtf?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was moreso looking at who scum would want to take out using the kill from my role. It happens immediately after lim but not in the night phase. That means it doesn’t interact with doctors and roleblockers, thus the roles it’s meant to deal with have to be ones that prevent themselves from dying.
LLD’s corrected claim just makes me feel worse, because I thought she was an ally in getting forked by the role generation but it turns out I can’t even take solace in that. It’s not like I could have gotten much better, I know for a fact that I was basically stuck with getting something shitty because of this flavor. I guess maybe Luke is the one I probably have the most kinship with because I remember he said the mod bullied him for his pick.

dude

i have to have a kill be stopped (which i knew was never happening)

like, to be clear, a kill USING ME has to be stopped.

so i can break free

>.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm loathe to claim this, but

if the scum kill is ever blocked or stopped or doesn't occur for any reason, the brainwash is broken and i become a one shot day vig

Did anyone else forget that LLD said they full claimed earlier besides their flavor.

Yes I told a lie to weaken my role so scum would be more interested in using me and I'd increase odds of becoming usefu Lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like if they claim the second part of their role before a doctor flip that makes them basically confirmed town

No it doesn't qnd what

[Lady Lambdadelta]

?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

look if you got something to say just say it i am not here for like

half in anxiety

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey,

Rhiannon playing this game. How fortunate for you, not so fortunate for us, I suppose.

Our role is a trashheap pure negative utility role

. I begin the game brainwashed.

At night, the scum may use me to perform their night kills.

Oh, and I have the town win condition but thankfully I've been told that I don't count towards the Mafia despite being brainwashed, so that's good at least.

Is there any indication on how to remove the brainwashing? If you

begin the game

brainwashed, there is a chance you can break the brainwashing, no?

You should really not read into how I phrase these things. I'm purposefully trying to dodge directly quoting the role PM by accident. As far as I'm aware, I have no method of breaking the brainwashing.

HEYHEY HOLD ON
What the FUCK was this for, what with your claim not being what you said it was initially???

2 things

1) because litigating my claim helped scum
2) because my role PM tells me scum aren't aware of certain aspects of my role, and I wanted to prevent that from happening

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hi, just wondering where your heads at LLD?

my head is at: sobbing miserably because i am flying back home tomorrow and will miss girlfriend and hate my job and just am not really into this whole deal

we're kind of blending, so apologies if you're not getting 100% Rhi rn

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So that means scum also WERE aware of certain aspects?

Yes. Did you think they wouldn't know I was brainwashed and that they could use me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay back from vacation

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hi LLD!

We have some cases on the last page and I would very much appreciate your input on Cabd (but you can reply to any of them)

uhhh, kay. lol

can you give me a summary? consider me lazy and demotivated and in need of like, a kick in the pants to reboot

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, right. I forgot that happened, I even reacted after it saying I voted for the wrong one (of you and Cabd).

Yeah I think I can't overlook the Manatee vote. I was on vacation and basically checked out but still knew that was a poor vote.

Honestly I forgot we could no vote? so I voted for someone who I thought was scum but probably wouldn't die without more consensus?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why do you want the hammer?

Like you're on suspect watch this day and I feel like I'm the one with a swing vote in the middle trying to sort this shit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because I would take great joy in not only dunking scum-gamma, but also being the final vote in the dunk.

Like, you think you're the swing vote, sure. If you take a quick look back at everything Gamma has done today, the main three things are A) discredit us, b) discredit SSBM, and C) try to assert his role has to exist. I don't know how often you've seen a beloved princess, but I have only ever seen it the one time and find it REALLY difficult to believe there's another one this soon.

Between Dunn and SSBM, there's a consistency in SSBM's iso that lends itself to the tracker claim. For instance, lasering in on Titus's gravedigger comments back on day one. The vote on dunn to telegraph it over the no-discussion vote.

Cabd we already laid out.

I know you hate walls but I have it pretty clearly laid out in my wall on the last page about why Gamma is scum and how his play around the Dunn guilty lines up with his play in Haunted Village when trying to defend his buddy from a guilty. I have quote links and everything.

Are we assuming that GIF is coming back tomorrow night and so this isn't MELO?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if we're 5-2 with a possible GIF return

do we think that the scum might just place that on a townie they think we'll eliminate, then eliminate someone mostly confirmed and bamboozle?

I wonder if it's really worth the risk to play this double day, or just let it go to night and see the kill.

It does provide us a chance to regain some lost momentum and capital but...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, who do you think was the leading choice going into today?

After a Dunnstral elimination, I can't help but think Cabd would be on top of the list.

But if I were Mafia, I would have chosen No Elimination or Gamma Emerald, personally.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do you think Gamma is town?

Do you think Cabd can be scum without Wheme?

I don't. I think the Wheme/Cabd interaction was either town Cabd being REAAAAAAALLY confused by why his role is useless into oh there's my role.

Or scum Cabd being REALLY ANGRY that his gambit wasn't working because Wheme didn't claim quick enough.

I never think Scum Cabd town Wheme here.

So I'm not sure if Scum Cabd makes sense with scum Gamma. I feel like Gamma would need to be partners with someone else, at this point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We concur that Dunn played incredibly this game. We truly thought he was town for basically the whole time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm of the opinion we should yeet Wheme.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I just want to say that for all my bad reads on Dunnstral, I feel REALLY GOOD about having Kyouko as hard town from the beginning of the game and defending that read to the heavens.

Watch now as this guilty kyouko did will be a gambit and I look dumb BUT

I believe in Kyouko town most of all so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We aren’t killing wheme.

There is no way the scum picked wheme and if Cabd is scum, it's with Wheme.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wanna do Wheme or Luke. There's no way those were the people picked.

I think Cabd + Gamma makes 0 sense as a team. Sorry not sorry.

so for me, who else can cabd be with

not Kate, not Kyouko not Me not Gamma

so Luke or Wheme?

and Wheme is only scum IFF cabd is.

And Gamma same deal. Not kate kyouko me cabd

so Luke or Wheme? and so can't be wheme?

so we have

Luke+Gamma
Luke+Cabd
Wheme+Cabd

and some weird GIF teams that should never exist.

In my mind, I think we kill Luke then, right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why does gamma not make sense with Cabd?

The first thing he did yesterday was discredit us when we tried to push Cabd.

You said Gamma was Marci, right?

you think Cabd did this weird gimmick shit with Marci, had Gamma replace in, fail to claim, what was very easy to do just "I am one of the two" and flow from there?

I don't know if they pull that gambit and then retract it on the replace in

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why does gamma not make sense with Cabd?

The first thing he did yesterday was discredit us when we tried to push Cabd.

You said Gamma was Marci, right?

you think Cabd did this weird gimmick shit with Marci, had Gamma replace in, fail to claim, what was very easy to do just "I am one of the two" and flow from there?

I don't know if they pull that gambit and then retract it on the replace in

Thinking on this.

The problem I have is that they've both done independently scummy stuff, and Gamma's been a lot more hamhanded about stuff than Cabd has (as I'd kinda expect. Cabd's one devilish clever human being when it comes to scum roles).

Can you talk about specifically why you're scumreading Luke?

I mean.

Kyouko town.
You town.
Me town.

Leaves 4 left.

If Cabd+Gamma is off the list

and Wheme can only be with Cabd (removes Wheme Luke, Wheme Gamma)

Luke/Cabd
Luke/Gamma
Cabd/Wheme

Nothing else should remain.

If Luke Gamma, kill Luke.
If Luke Cabd, kill Luke.
If Cabd/Wheme, kill Wheme.

Since people won't kill Wheme and there's good reasons to believe maybe not to

Luke is the strongest PoE.

Like if you think Wheme is town, Kate.

That leaves only Cabd/Gamma/Luke

In which case, you always kill Luke. Always.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I feel like your PoE has narrowed similarly and yet you're.... stuck on Luke.

I have no townread there.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, that runs on the assumption that you are town. And from your pov, yeah. But you are lower on my town reads (heh) and also lower on Kate's. You are also forgetting Gif.

I have also had issues seeing Gamma+Cabd together, for a similar reason.

That is why I have kinda brushed off kate every time they ask me who the third is after gamma. I don't have the mental capacity atm to sift through you/cabd/kate/gif and figure out who I think the last on is. I don't have the energy to iso dive Dunn either. I was really looking forward to a night phase :/

I really don't think that it is kyouko, and I have come around on wheme as well. the rest is a blur of "I can see it if I squint really hard, but no one seems to fit quite right"

That is part of why I am for no elim. I think gamma is scum, but I think that killing gamma right now is a trap. I don't know who the last one is, and killing someone right now puts us on evens, so I would rather no kill now then at MElo, because we should have more investigative results from wheme and/or kyouko.

Hey Kate, is this town?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Lukewarm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, do you scum read me, or is that a PoE vote?

I don't town read you.

I town read Kate and Kyouko.

Wheme is off the table apparently.

Cabd, if scum, is too high likelyhood to have been spared.

Gamma, if scum, same deal. Like, if they aren't spared, they're town, same with Cabd.

Which means of 7 available players....

Not doing myself, of course

No LLD, Kate, Kyouko, Wheme, Cabd or Gamma

That's 6 names.

I'm unwilling to risk NL. Seems silly.

And you're in pairing groups as scum with almost everyone who could be scum for me.

And definitely no one chose to protect you. Like no way.

So that's why, I wanna do you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why does gamma not make sense with Cabd?

The first thing he did yesterday was discredit us when we tried to push Cabd.

You said Gamma was Marci, right?

you think Cabd did this weird gimmick shit with Marci, had Gamma replace in, fail to claim, what was very easy to do just "I am one of the two" and flow from there?

I don't know if they pull that gambit and then retract it on the replace in

Thinking on this.

The problem I have is that they've both done independently scummy stuff, and Gamma's been a lot more hamhanded about stuff than Cabd has (as I'd kinda expect. Cabd's one devilish clever human being when it comes to scum roles).

Can you talk about specifically why you're scumreading Luke?

I mean.

Kyouko town.
You town.
Me town.

Leaves 4 left.

If Cabd+Gamma is off the list

and Wheme can only be with Cabd (removes Wheme Luke, Wheme Gamma)

Luke/Cabd
Luke/Gamma
Cabd/Wheme

Nothing else should remain.

If Luke Gamma, kill Luke.
If Luke Cabd, kill Luke.
If Cabd/Wheme, kill Wheme.

Since people won't kill Wheme and there's good reasons to believe maybe not to

Luke is the strongest PoE.

Like if you think Wheme is town, Kate.

That leaves only Cabd/Gamma/Luke

In which case, you always kill Luke. Always.

We're doing a lot of research on your theories in this post. we may wrap up in a few hours.

Have you looked at Dunn's posts with associatives in mind?

I have not, and Niamh is currently chiding me for not having done this, but I fear I may not be able to see what we want here, given how many people townread Dunn.

You could draw associatives from Dunn to yourself, or us, just as easily as Cabd.

So I'll look at it in a bit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think NL is just the worst here.

I want to do Luke. Kate, Kyouko, please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’ll do Luke if you can explain the logic for him being partnered with Cabd

Okay Gamma, counter question

Who do you believe are reasonable Cabd scum partners. You're not allowed to skip out, you already said you see cabd as 100% scum from your PoV right?

So who are possible partners, if Luke isn't one? Given your question, I assume Luke is off your list, so here we go.

Name them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you guys no Elim, you can handle the rest of the game with me on auto pilot.

It's a complete waste, we don't gain an extra kill from it, and guessing wrong doesn't do worse than guessing right, numbers wise.

In a numbers sense, no vote is actively terrible, with a downside of awful.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you guys no Elim, you can handle the rest of the game with me on auto pilot.

It's a complete waste, we don't gain an extra kill from it, and guessing wrong doesn't do worse than guessing right, numbers wise.

In a numbers sense, no vote is actively terrible, with a downside of awful.

Are you at all concerned about what Luke's role could do to the next day phase?

No. Not remotely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly I just wanna kill Luke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't.

Well my vote isn't moving, do what you wanna do, if you have the votes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Please tell us GIF

[Lady Lambdadelta]

... We do to...?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like you gotta die Cabd but I still think it is Luke at this point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think it's LLD because Dunn joked about supporting LLD feigning to not know that I was in the dead PT. It's WIFOM but ppl tend to not put their last scumbuddy there as a WIFOM because it is dangerous and there is 0 reason to take that risk.

lmfao

So the wcum have a role with foreknowledge of the isekai dead thread

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Luke what was your claim again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

At this point my role puts me squarely outside worlds where I can be scum, given I claimed it day 1 minute 1.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd lemme see this okay?

For you to be scum you had to claim a mason partner that actually exists that didnt need to be claimed at all. And even if you assumes as scum that person would be marci, why waste that on marci? Why blow that and then find out oops its wheme? Your role as scum includes, if it exists

"You know Shiro is in the game. Claiming that to have wheme shot over me or Kate makes no sense for you as scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd lemme see this okay?

For you to be scum you had to claim a mason partner that actually exists that didnt need to be claimed at all. And even if you assumes as scum that person would be marci, why waste that on marci? Why blow that and then find out oops its wheme? Your role as scum includes, if it exists

"You know Shiro is in the game. Claiming that to have wheme shot over me or Kate makes no sense for you as scum.

I don't think it's quite this cut and dry.

To expand, if the last scum lied about their role, then wheme rolecopping them would be fatal, however low the chance of being targeted was.

Yeah I agree this makes cabd probably town too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I WASN'T HERE NIGHT 2 AND KILL HAPPENED

Ughhh maybe. Unless shooting from the isekai world is in your power set?

Can you full claim Gif

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Doesn't say anything specific Cabd. Just refers to it as the night kill without any modifiers.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GiF is conftown to us because if he were scum, why would the scum team not have blocked a Gamma elim? GiF wasn't elimmable.

It could have been on no elim, which I think would be smartest if GiF is scum right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Kate is scum and I had them day 1 I...

Like honestly I wanna do Luke Kate over Cabd Luke but losing to Cabd is MISERY in this spot

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cool, then vote me and take your final four entry ticket on the chin and stop acting like you give a damn about re-evaluating.

I've tried to explain but reality isn't good enough to overcome the cabd-town-model template, clearly.

In this world of yours, who is being shot tonight. Me? Kyouko?

We kill you, Kyouko dies, and it's Luke/Kate/GIF/LLD?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There's nothing left as far as I understand it that will prevent a kill.

So they'll just keep using me to make kills, so maybe they don't need to kill Kyouko for wifom?


They're just gonna use me either way =/

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd, you're gonna need to stop being selfish I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd, you're gonna need to stop being selfish I think.

Define "selfish"?

You are making this day weird by demanding your own death for the selfish reason that you don't want t have to fight tomorrow if Luke is wrong.

And as a result you're skewing all of the information available, demotivating everyone involved and also making it harder to play around this stupid mystery game.

It's selfish behaviour because you don't wanna give someone the satisfaction if they are scum? Are you kidding me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sorry, I'm like, ubertilted.

What do you want to do?

Do you think that gif's prize is worth eliminating him here?

Do you want to just kill luke outright?

Right now it's essentially the gif-cabd-kate three player band here so I'll step back, but nobody else is really... doing anything.

I want to kill Luke today, and if the game doesn't end... We're looking at a team that contains Dunnstral and Gamma.

I don't know if Dunnstral dies the way he did if you're on his team. I don't know that you do the thing with Marci if you're on her team. It's harder for me to see that. Not impossible, but harder.

So at that point... it's

"Could GIF have killed using me while no longer in the real world?"

vs.

"Does Cabd really do the things with Marci and let Dunn die if they're scum together?"

vs.

"Is the stuff that made Kate obvious town to me really untrue?"

Which I'm more willing to assess and develop tomorrow, I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There are two town players being really lazy in [lld, cabd, gif].

Looking at my interactions with Marci, and Marci's interactions with me (she basically pushed me all of day 1 up until her rep out, and I vocally scum read her all the way to her rep out)

And then looking at my interactions with Gamma - calling his rep in scummy, trapping him into voting dunn making him look like shit, hammering him in the governor phase.

I actually think that I am pretty clearly not aligned with that slot.

I think that Gif's is probably the most egregious, because he is at "bet the game that it is Luke" given his self vote plan (same would apply to cabd if he turns out to be town)

Like, I really think that those players have not even looked at me, and it is kinda sad.

I have thought you were scum since yesterday and even called you a possible Gamma partner since that long too. I don't know why you think I'm being lazy or not doing my due dillegence.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GiF, I wanna do Luke and then discuss between Kate and Cabd tomorrow honestly. I think Luke ends the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You were asked a question by Kate cabd and I wanted to see the answer

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait Dunnstral did thr kill instead of using me? It's guaranteed?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmmm okay

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I had a horrible terrible dream last night about this game

[Lady Lambdadelta]

dream was that kyouko was scum who faked a track result on dunn to progress in this game and won after faking a tracker result on someone tomorrow after not dying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That seems... Unlikely?

But dreams generally aren't logical!

Definitely not logical, but I woke up deathly afraid of it!

lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly, I want everyone to say who they want to vote out today.

I wanna do Luke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My scumread on you isn't Lazy, but every calculation I come back to involves you being scum in most worlds.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

my conviction is dead.

Please remember Yggdrasil, where I pulled this exact stunt and Cabd said "okay you can die".

And now in this game both Cabd and Luke are doing it. Do you think they can BOTH be town, doing it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait I thought I was voting you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Luke

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like literally the fact that I knew what N1 game was is a proof that I was indeed in dead thread.

It's proof you, like cabd, have a role that informs you of it, at least.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And why would I lie about N2 game and offer myself for lim that day with exact votes?

Offering yourself for elimination like that is a perfectly fine move for scum, also, you are one of 3 players who did that last round and at minimum 2 of them must be town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I kind of want to no eliminate but I'm very concerned that I'll be the one shot tonight for no good reason lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here's my thing Cabd.

Either town won that game, and Titus sent that post.

or scum won that game, and scum was allowed to send that post.

In either case, they would have taken the time to mimic Titus. Authenticity is the only thing that matters, the details aren't hard as long as you say "GiF is lying".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know.

What if scum knew there were games being played, and needed scum in the dead thread to play them.

So Sakura bussed Dunn, to gain the cred Dunn had built up onto herself, and send their best player into the game zone?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're not exactly wrong but at the same time mimicking Titus is one thing but to that extent is another entirely.

Certain players on this site have a very specific tone and narrative voice, such that you read their posts in their voice. Titus is one of those for me.

Pair that with the third game matching the now psuedo confirmed first game and I don't know. That makes more sense to me.

Cabd.

I could mimic any player on this site. I am telling you it's not impossible.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It is clear (it really should be) that I was in a dead thread. Why would Titus lie there?

I think it's Dunn, and moreover...

I think it's Sakura, maybe.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause GIF's best elimination is Sakura, because then I'm always between Kate and Cabd probably.

Cabd's best elimination is Sakura, and try to convince me of Kate.

My best elimination is probably GiF. Almost always. Unless I'm making that text message play, so then it's Sakura?

Kate is town.

So... what's Sakura's best elimination? Not me, can't be me. Tracker weirdness means she'd need to clear someone.

Cabd? That's bait.

so between GiF and Kate...?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD... do you mean SSBM kyouko?

I don't think that's a sakura hana alt....?

Er, yes.

I don't know why my brain replaced Kyouko with...

oh I know why. Dangan Ronpa, Japanese name, and the username starts with S.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like if you accept that "Titus" is lying there, then I'm literally confirmed town here.

Yes I'm aware. But if it's really Titus you're scum always.

So I'm considering worlds where it's not first.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd, the problem with what you are saying is this.

With the game you described? I can't see Dunnstral losing. Not ever.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So like, consider this everyone, okay?

For Cabd, killing Kate and then doing this GiF thing is... weird. There's some refuge in absurdity stuff going on possibly but.. Why not kill me or Kyouko and do this to seed confusion? Why remove Kate?

For Gif, doing this seems really weird even if he is scum. It's only possible if he's scum and town won, but moreover, why fucking lie? Why would Gif lie about being in the dead thread? There's almost CERTAINLY a power to message from there. That's the first ability I'd think of designing this game. Even if you didn't know, you'd need to expect.

The only player this makes sense for to do, is Kyouko.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mod confirms that the signing thing is NOT assured and he WOULD allow somebody to fake-sign.

Yes this was obvious.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look, I'm honestly willing to lose on this big brain.

If it's not Kyouko, then... I guess I'm the dummie who let someone walk out of an obvious 50/50?

but like...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if you two vote Sakura, I will provably not vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I said Sakura again. Fuck.

Kyouko.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you, Cabd and GiF, both vote Kyouko, I will not vote and confirm myself as town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Intriguing.

If LLD is scum at least game would be over and I can just chill.

If I'm the last scum you're not likely winning anyway.

But I can assure you I'm not and this will prove it without doubt.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: SSBM

#YOLO

Not voting.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My hands are well in the air.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm so so so very tempted to hammer Kyouko rn but I wanna hear from them and stuff.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh I'm actually a doublevoter.
The game already ended before you know it.

lol

If you're a doublevoter that doesn't turn off in an ELO situation, you can have this win as scum GIF.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay well, at this point game's in Lexi's hands.

I'm gonna unclench my arse here and just let it be.

You're a monster.

Also, this was your plan all along wasn't it? To put it in my hands so you're absolved, or scum.

lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We can always reach consensus on whatever I decide, so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lol god

I have like 10 paragraphs of people in my PMs telling me cabd is scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not only that, like... All of them trying to confirm their identity to me via things only I should know?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So it really is Cabd or Kyouko lol

Just an fyi I was never voting gif today. Kind of tipped my hand yesterday when I was like "we have to decide between kate and cabd!"

Man...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gif listen to me

I have people in my PMs telling me cabd lied about the game and that it was some kind of personal scavenger hunt activity

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Apparently luke was the winner of the game, told the threas, and he and notty wrote me a message after I became confirmed town from the hammer test

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My problem is why wouldn't cabd use me?

I have no next night restriction in my role. I do have the restriction that if I am used to kill 3 times by scum I wake up and get the vig power anyway

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean that is obvious.

If you wanna kill Kyouko you don't risk using me.

If you wanna kill Kate you should use me...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh and they say the night 2 game was what Gif claimed. "Who will everyone vote?"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dude. These messages contain info that only Luke and Notty should know... Unless Dunnstral backtracked through our servers messages for things that could identify me to them. Because all the things mentioned were talked about in server.

Which Pokemon my alters like. Yelling at Bell and Notty about a mafia thing. Asking like if he wanted me to elaborate more on the newbie game claim structure.

Like all personal interactions... But ones we had in that server that Dunn might know too. Even Notty talking about how I left them in Sepia on berserker made it into the server...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There is something from Notty about how you were in their hood... And even referenced the exact posts you cited as a crumb.

How did you know to ask for that, Kyouko?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is true.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am seriously mindfucked okay?

I came into today thinking it is just Cabd, but I wanted to explore Kyouko and see what Cabd did when I gave it to him.

My dream was literally the impetus for me to consider Kyouko and now it might literally be real.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is all kinda moot though because Cabd visited Kate, and he has no excuse the way Dunn did

Unless you are lying, yes.

GiF and I are confirmed town now, and we are choosing between you two.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can someone give me the exact day and time in PST that the 1 week is up? I want to set a deadline for this game of 24 hours before that time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's not helpful

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like don't make me do the math right now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So a little after 4PM on Saturday, pacific time.

6:10:21 pm CDT | Saturday, October 16, 2021
4:10:21 pm PDT | Saturday, October 16, 2021

ty

[Lady Lambdadelta]

God this is a lot closer in my head than it really should be.

I guess the thing I have to ask myself is: Is it more likely the scum have BOTH messages or just one and town got the other?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I still want to hear what you two say

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What kind of boring ass power is that.

If that's what I got for jibril I'd ragequit lol.

Not to mention if I knew all the flavors in the game why fixate on sora/shiro from the get go, and I'd sure as hell have understood crumbs better.

I also got a bad power though...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm so so sad

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ughhh I am so choice para'd.

Cabd is scummy but Kyouko feels like a solution.

If I lose to Cabd after killing Kyouko I hard threw.

If ... Ahhh god

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spoiler: for LLD only

Hammering Cabd

Pro:
- Safe choice
- If we’re wrong we get to blame the others

Con:
- if we’re wrong Cabd won’t leave us alone for few weeks

Hammering Kyouko

Pro:
- if we’re right we get to be a hero
- We get to dunk on fery

Con:
- if we’re wrong we basically threw
- if we’re wrong we get dunked on by multiple people

Yeah literally.

Lemme paraphrase those messages

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The tl;dr GIF is that

Luke says he won the night 3 game, which was a one shot messenger, and asked Notty to also prepare a message.

The message splits into Notty's message formatted in a box, the writing style changes to all lower case.

"Notty" as written out by notty and copied by luke, refers to me yelling at Bell and them after a game, leaving their berserker account after FGO1 on Sepia, and refers to asking me which alters like what pokemon, to which they provided the correct answers for all those questions.

Notty then goes on to describe cabd as lying about the n3 game and about the other post, and that Cabd is claimed scum to them.

Luke then progressed with their own posts, which describe all the previous nigth games, it describes the nght 4 game and how I can break it to guarantee a town win to that game, but that it won't matter because Cabd is scum for messing with the Titus/Dunn stuff and lying.

Luke then describes how GiF has to be town, given this came before Kyouko's claim, it was just methods to confirm GiF was indeed in the dead thread.

Finally, it ends with Luke criticizing my scumread of them and trying similar to Notty to prove their identity to me, and nails one more time that it cannot be anyone else but Cabd.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if I do Cabd and it's Kyouko like I thought I'm going to be so literally miserable, but...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've put myself in a terrible posiiton

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if it's Kyouko and I talked myself out of it, I'll never be able to forgive myself.

On the other hand, I'd have been the only one who was looking at that in a game full of people who were locked in? but I still made the mistake

if it's cabd and I kill Kyouko after being told to do Cabd by secret messages I mean

I'm gonna look so stupid

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if it's Kyouko and I talked myself out of it, I'll never be able to forgive myself.

On the other hand, I'd have been the only one who was looking at that in a game full of people who were locked in? but I still made the mistake

if it's cabd and I kill Kyouko after being told to do Cabd by secret messages I mean

I'm gonna look so stupid

LLD
To be honest we already look kinda stupid.
I lolhammered a doctor and botched Wheme read who became conftown, and your D1 reads were 0/3.
If you're around wanna yolo?

I mean Day 1 reads can be wrong, I never feel bad for that. It's not being able to adjust after that point.

Everything in my screams to kill Kyouko, and every inch of my rational brain says "kill Cabd if he wins after you set this up this way he'll get to lord it over you forever"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if it's Kyouko and I talked myself out of it, I'll never be able to forgive myself.

On the other hand, I'd have been the only one who was looking at that in a game full of people who were locked in? but I still made the mistake

if it's cabd and I kill Kyouko after being told to do Cabd by secret messages I mean

I'm gonna look so stupid

LLD
To be honest we already look kinda stupid.
I lolhammered a doctor and botched Wheme read who became conftown, and your D1 reads were 0/3.
If you're around wanna yolo?

I feel like I just gotta do Cabd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No offense but then just do it if you gotta?

Like this game has gone a week in limbo and it's pretty unfun to be stuck here and not being allowed to dunk on Ffery for completely blowing the arms race because the game is ongoing.

Once again I'd still rather we win but at this point you gotta pick a god and a wagon and pray.

No offense but it's a hard choice. GIF needs to show up too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll be here.

What is your leaning, which of the two do you think is scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Before I make my final decision give me your opinion on this.

Do you think the half empty message from beginning of Day 4 and the PM you got can result from the same challenge?

It can't, no. The message I got says Luke solo won the 3rd game and this was his reward. If they were both the same thing, Notty wouldn't need to be included in Luke's message.

so they're two different rewards, likely a won game frmo N2 or 1 that was saved

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Cabd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Man I'm gonna hate myself if I was wrong

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was wrong, really?

it was kyouko?

fuck man

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If scum faked that PM then good job on them.
I think without that I never vote Cabd today.

Honestly, you've been the person who feels the scummiest to me today but you're hyper confirmed?

IDK

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is Cabd possibly faking to fuck with us or

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It was either kyouko or like somehow gif.

I maintain there's a no zero chance that that message really did come from titus btw.

Right but

GIF town from Kyouko claim

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I hate myself.

I should have just hammered Kyouko when I had the chance.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kyouko actually retracted the watch.

what

[Lady Lambdadelta]

she lied?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

fuck this i'm a fucking moron i'm a fucking absolute moron i hate myself, i literally hate myself ahhhhh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I lied about my claim. I tracked (not watched) Kate last night because I felt she would be my only blind spot and that if it wasnt her it was clearly Cabd. I implied to her I'd be Watching her, just in case LLD's brainwash was non-consecutive like Dunn's.

It's GIF, Cabd.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GIF has literally been scum pinging me on rushing me to do shit this whole day but he was confirmed town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm just

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i actively hate myself

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well at least I got something out of this game and 2hu game.
If I get a massive townping on someone I should just follow that.

i honestly feel like actual trash rn

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Eh, I wouldn't bother doing that.

Free hugs next time I'm in town?

no i like

solved it, if you aren't lying

like if it's GIF and Kyouko lied, that's not my fault, right? That's not my fault at all.

but if it's Kyouko and I solved it and I fucking wimped out?

I actually hate myself

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean I had certainly hoped that hammer-testing you wold have made it obvious that I wanted to clear you, not to keep you as an elim option.

I hoped a lot of things this game, though.

Clearing me was the best option for scum you though because I'm the most liekly of the 3 to not vote you.

It doesn't like....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LOOK FINE I GET IT OKAY?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dunn is in the same server, it's not rocket science to control+F the chat logs...

like fuck you I literally said this

don't act like it was so obvious and wasn't considered

i already hate myself stop fuckign shitting on me too

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can I just say that making a trans female character into an agentless worse than vanilla townie because you couldn't be arsed to do even an instant of research is a really shitty thing to do when you advertise a upick game, when you gave 2 male characters hyper OP overloaded kits?

Like DGB and Toog's male characters got so much power and I got to be a less than worthless after thought.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what are you redacting Kyouko? Nothing game related I hope, something personal right?

cause if it's a game thing redacting it would be kind of bad

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what are you redacting Kyouko? Nothing game related I hope, something personal right?

cause if it's a game thing redacting it would be kind of bad

One part of my read on Luke. It turned out to be wrong obviously, but I dont want him to try to replicate it intentionally as scum in the future to appear town to me

That's not something you should be allowed to redact? Like if it was a game relevant information this time, you can't just remove info from a semi public location.

It's one thing for a scum team not to want a PT release but a neighborhood redaction?

I dunno

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But you did share it, with the other person in the neighbourhood right

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what are you redacting Kyouko? Nothing game related I hope, something personal right?

cause if it's a game thing redacting it would be kind of bad

One part of my read on Luke. It turned out to be wrong obviously, but I dont want him to try to replicate it intentionally as scum in the future to appear town to me

That's not something you should be allowed to redact? Like if it was a game relevant information this time, you can't just remove info from a semi public location.

It's one thing for a scum team not to want a PT release but a neighborhood redaction?

I dunno

She asked JJH if it could be redacted before she posted, and she wouldn't have posted it if the answer was no.

I'm of the opinion that PT redactions happen too frequently in MS games and I wish that there was a sitewide standard regarding them.

In this case, since she asked first and was assured she could redact, I don't think it's fair to take her to task about it.

I wasn't aware that was a thing she asked for prior to it. Yeah I mean, at that point it's an issue I have with the mod not the player.

Don't mean to lay into anyone, just digging at this.