Mafia 82: International (Game Over)

[StrangerCoug]

I'll

vote: Netlava

for the same reasoning as before. I haven't posted in awhile, and I don't want an idle vote for too long.

[Battle Mage]

Post in question: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:52 pm
Day end un Sep 14, 2008 11:04 am
Day 2 start Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:17 am
Other post in question Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:00 am

I should add that I voted on Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:46 pm

So from 8 Sept to 14 Sept is over 5 days. Then it was still almost another day before I only said I agree with the case.

You said I lied about something, what was that?

Are you really quibbling over 1 day?
Let's get this straight. I claim you changed your mind within a 5 day time window. You claimed it was 14 days? And it turned out to be 6 days.

BM - 5
Raider - 14
Actual Answer - 6

Who is more guilty of lying?

My vote stands. And i'm really at a loss as to why you aren't dead yet. Obviously some people aren't really following this conversation.

BM

[raider8169]

Are you really quibbling over 1 day?
Let's get this straight. I claim you changed your mind within a 5 day time window. You claimed it was 14 days? And it turned out to be 6 days.

BM - 5
Raider - 14
Actual Answer - 6

Who is more guilty of lying?

My vote stands. And i'm really at a loss as to why you aren't dead yet. Obviously some people aren't really following this conversation.

BM

This conversation is retarded. Why are are pushing it is beyond me. I am still right with 14 days mind you. I just included the night in the time frame.

Why people have not joined with you is because you have still yet to show anything. People are allowed to change their mind once they are informed of more information then when they started.

[BlakAdder]

All right, I'm still here. Just to show that I'm reading, I don't really like the Raider wagon. It boils down to BM and Raider bickering because Raider changed his mind. I'm still for the Netlava wagon.
Just so I don't have to lurk any more, does anyone have any questions for me, or want to know my stance on anything?

[StrangerCoug]

Just so I don't have to lurk any more, does anyone have any questions for me, or want to know my stance on anything?

Tell us your stance on everything xD

Well, everything relevant to the game. We're not concerned about who you want to be president, for example.

[Tom Mason]

Just so I don't have to lurk any more, does anyone have any questions for me, or want to know my stance on anything?

Tell us your stance on everything xD

Well, everything relevant to the game. We're not concerned about who you want to be president, for example.

Seriously...

The more he posts "I am here, just reading" the more I feel inclined to agree with Cass's decision to have voted for you. If not for anything else, then for the sheer fact you have very little to no contribution to make to the progress of a decision.

Give us something to work with, please.

[armlx]

The BM-Raider argument is dumb. Regardless of how many RL days it was, it looks like an opportunistic flip flop to me.

[Cephrir]

All right, I'm still here. Just to show that I'm reading, I don't really like the Raider wagon. It boils down to BM and Raider bickering because Raider changed his mind. I'm still for the Netlava wagon.
Just so I don't have to lurk any more, does anyone have any questions for me, or want to know my stance on anything?

This post gives me bad vibes.

[Korts]

All right, I'm still here. Just to show that I'm reading, I don't really like the Raider wagon. It boils down to BM and Raider bickering because Raider changed his mind. I'm still for the Netlava wagon.
Just so I don't have to lurk any more, does anyone have any questions for me, or want to know my stance on anything?

This post gives me bad vibes.

Openly admitting to lurking?

[Battle Mage]

Are you really quibbling over 1 day?
Let's get this straight. I claim you changed your mind within a 5 day time window. You claimed it was 14 days? And it turned out to be 6 days.

BM - 5
Raider - 14
Actual Answer - 6

Who is more guilty of lying?

My vote stands. And i'm really at a loss as to why you aren't dead yet. Obviously some people aren't really following this conversation.

BM

This conversation is retarded. Why are are pushing it is beyond me. I am still right with 14 days mind you. I just included the night in the time frame.

Why people have not joined with you is because you have still yet to show anything. People are allowed to change their mind once they are informed of more information then when they started.

Including the night is only valid if your change in stance was due to a night choice. In which case, you wouldnt count the day phase anyway. -.-

I'm done for now.

BM

[Cephrir]

All right, I'm still here. Just to show that I'm reading, I don't really like the Raider wagon. It boils down to BM and Raider bickering because Raider changed his mind. I'm still for the Netlava wagon.
Just so I don't have to lurk any more, does anyone have any questions for me, or want to know my stance on anything?

This post gives me bad vibes.

Openly admitting to lurking?

Yeah, and the first part too. "Just to show that I'm reading" for instance.

[raider8169]

The BM-Raider argument is dumb. Regardless of how many RL days it was, it looks like an opportunistic flip flop to me.

Show me the flip flop part. You said it is dumb yet are still commenting on it. Its simple show me how I flip flopped.

[armlx]

Show me the flip flop part. You said it is dumb yet are still commenting on it. Its simple show me how I flip flopped.

I was ok with the Netlava lynch I have never said I was agianst it.

I dont see a real case on Netlava.

Just saying.

With no relevant info in the middle.

[Korts]

facepalm

I have a feeling this is a circular argument...

[armlx]

I have a feeling this is a circular argument...

It is.

[raider8169]

Show me the flip flop part. You said it is dumb yet are still commenting on it. Its simple show me how I flip flopped.

I was ok with the Netlava lynch I have never said I was agianst it.

I dont see a real case on Netlava.

Just saying.

With no relevant info in the middle.

Raider, the issue at hand is nothing really changed about the Netlava case in between those 2 times except maybe the info of Dynamo's alignment.

Im not going to do a quote trail as I think it would take forever but feel free to go back and look at these posts. What you say if full of crap. Also if you only read one post read 903. I said in that post that I did not see the case. That alone should have cleared everything up before hand.

Starts at post 849 (page 34). After that read the following posts: 854, 903, 926, 985, 991, 1019, 1022, 1023,

Minor posts that comment on the idea of a Netlava lynch: 855,857,859,871,877,878, 1001, 1003, 1007, 1021

That was all just through page 42. That should be enough for everyone to understand my initial thought, to seeing the case and then agreeing with it. I still waited a while to vote because on top of everything else I wanted to see Netlava post more before adding my vote. A real attempt to defend didnt happen until after my vote but it did not convince me to change.

Did you miss all this or something?

It wouldnt be circular if my posts didnt get ignored.

Armlx just can not admit when he is wrong.

[Surye]

raider, it's not that you changed your mind. That's fine, and expected, or this game would go no where. But it's the fact that you tried to re-write history that is suspicious. Armlx's quote showed just that.

[armlx]

I also just can't see what happened in the middle that caused the shift.

[Battle Mage]

raider, it's not that you changed your mind. That's fine, and expected, or this game would go no where. But it's the fact that you tried to re-write history that is suspicious. Armlx's quote showed just that.

This is my point. I'm not quite sure where Armlx said it, but oh well.

And Raider is right, regarding the fact that this is not a circular argument. The way nobody is fully reading (myself included in fairness) means we dont make any progression. That's why we need to either string him up, or not.

BM

[skitzer]

Vote Count Fourteen of Day Two

(7) Netlava: hasdgfas, Cyberbob, armlx, Sineish, BlakAdder, raider8169, StrangerCoug
(4) Cass: Netlava, Lowell, Cephrir, Tom Mason
(1) armlx: Skruffs
(1) BlakAdder: Cass
(1) Skruffs: Korts
(1) raider8169: Battle Mage

(9) Not Voting: slanton2, Rich, Cream147, Citizen Karne, Knight of Cydonia, killa seven, Surye, The Only Ryan, EGL

With 24 alive, it takes 13 votes to lynch!

Last Post Count Fourteen of Day Two

Key:
Green - posted in last 24 hours
Blue - posted in last 48 hours
Olive - Posted in last 72 hours
Red - Posted more than 72 hours ago, prodded
Dark Red - Requiring Replacement
Dark Blue - Vacation/Limited Access

raider8169

killa seven

Citizen Karne

StrangerCoug

Battle Mage

BlakAdder

Tom Mason

armlx

Cephrir

Korts

Surye

Knight of Cydonia

hasdgfas

EGL

Cyberbob

Cream147

Skruffs

Lowell

Netlava

The Only Ryan

Rich

Sineish

Cass

slanton2

Prodding Rich, Sineish, and Cass.

[armlx]

I'm not quite sure where Armlx said it, but oh well.

I never directly said it, but the post I made juxtaposing the 2 quotes shows the point.

That's why we need to either string him up, or not.

I lol'ed.

[Sineish]

raider, it's not that you changed your mind. That's fine, and expected, or this game would go no where. But it's the fact that you tried to re-write history that is suspicious. Armlx's quote showed just that.

I'm not quite sure where Armlx said it, but oh well.

I never directly said it, but the post I made juxtaposing the 2 quotes shows the point.

I see where he showed that raider8169 changed his mind, but I don't think that particular post showed him re-writing history.

[armlx]

He said he was never against the Netlava lynch, but he was.

[StrangerCoug]

If it can be proven that the Battle Mage vs. raider8169 case is more than just semantics, I'll consider a vote on the latter.

[armlx]

Show me the flip flop part. You said it is dumb yet are still commenting on it. Its simple show me how I flip flopped.

I was ok with the Netlava lynch I have never said I was agianst it.

I dont see a real case on Netlava.

Just saying.