I believe the 3 people effected were Landlord, Literal and Lawrencelot. (Hehe the 3 L's)elvis_knits wrote:Possibly. Who was that? lawrencelot? Who else?TonyMontana wrote:Unvote
Maybe we should take a second to talk about the lack of kills tonight?
Could it be that the drunkards were out of play throughout the night, and that explains it?
Also could be a RBer or doc or something.
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I'll check the pm which I got again:
Hm it literally said that I went to my home. I don't think that means that I can't be targeted, in normal mafia flavor the kill targets are in their homes sleeping right?
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I don't know what other people were thinking, but I certainly was not considering you drunkards being targets, if you catch my drift.UpcomingMiniTheme: Rainbow Six|Siege Mafia-
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This is untrue.farside22 wrote:
I would like to hear more from you as you have been quiet throughout the game since you have been here.The Fonz wrote:Woah with the quicklynching, people.
I'd support a hypo today, I think.
When farside voted him, that was a lynching majority.elvis_knits wrote:
You realize you supported mafiassk lynch yesterday but didn't vote him.The Fonz wrote:Woah with the quicklynching, people.
I'd support a hypo today, I think.
Because your opinion, as so often, is wrong.forbiddanlight wrote:
And seriously, hypocop only benefits scum IMO. It narrows down their choices for cop killing. Why the hell would you support this, Fonz?
You realize you supported mafiassk lynch yesterday but didn't vote him.
We know that a kill was stopped last night (assuming away the possibility of a deliberate or accidental lack of kill put in, which i don't think is likely) but we don't know whether it was a bulletproof, a doc, a jk or an RB. One of these roles may have info that clears or incriminates someone- but there is the usual problem that there is the risk of more than one, and ending up with both claiming, and not knowing which of them it was.
A hypoaction means that if one of these roles should die, we can then go back and evaluate things. It's better to risk that than have a role which has info die unclaimed.-
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Actually fonz it is true. Yesterday before the Landlord came in you made only one statement. Then joked about Mafia being killed with a drink. You supported Mafia's lynch. Other then that not much can be said in regards to you actually scum hunting.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Actually, no. I initially endorse the patrick-wolf theory, before going strongly against it after re-reading and understanding what patrick was saying. I complain about people not scumhunting, which still applies- it doesn't look to me like anyone's doing re-reads, or looking closely for suspicious behaviour- people are still just going, ok, seems a few people find this guy suspicious, let's kill him. I then strongly attack FL for a 'vigging' of Patrick that makes absolutely no sense at all for a town player to do.-
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Or makes it damned obvious who that role is ENSURING their death. Also, we don't know the interactions of the strong drink either. Essenitally though, the scum benefit far more from a hypo claim then town does.
A hypoaction means that if one of these roles should die, we can then go back and evaluate things. It's better to risk that than have a role which has info die unclaimed.
Because your opinion, as so often, is wrong.
And deadline was fast approaching. Not buying it.
When farside voted him, that was a lynching majority.
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Except that in this case, scum don't know if the kill was stopped by doc, rb, or jk, so they don't know what they're looking for.forbiddanlight wrote:
Or makes it damned obvious who that role is ENSURING their death.
A hypoaction means that if one of these roles should die, we can then go back and evaluate things. It's better to risk that than have a role which has info die unclaimed.
That's just not true.Also, we don't know the interactions of the strong drink either. Essenitally though, the scum benefit far more from a hypo claim then town does.
What difference does that make if THE LYNCH MAJORITY HAS ALREADY BEEN ACHIEVED?
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LEt's say it was a doc protect. They claim and their protection. It matches the scum kill. WHOOOPS! Rb claims, say they blocked a supposed scum. The scum know who they are. They kill the Rb. We might catch a scum. There's still WIFOM. WHOOPS
Except that in this case, scum don't know if the kill was stopped by doc, rb, or jk, so they don't know what they're looking for.
Same problem with Jailkeeper.
We don't know. And more importantly, WE DON'T KNOW IF THE DRINKS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!
In conclusion, hypoclaim is worse than useless for the town.
Obviously it hadn't been. Or SSK would have been lynched. I think you are lying about your ignorance.
What difference does that make if THE LYNCH MAJORITY HAS ALREADY BEEN ACHIEVED?
That's just not true.
Prove it. I've stated why it is true."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I don't think landlord was a real player. But if he was, awesome.I think we need to settle this by hearing from the other two who were effected.
mod: please prod literal and landlord
But, I do mostly agree. I highly doubt they'll claim "Oh yeah, totally couldn't do night actions while intoxicated""Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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OK, I'd like you to rewrite this so it makes any kind of sense.forbiddanlight wrote:
LEt's say it was a doc protect. They claim and their protection. It matches the scum kill. WHOOOPS! Rb claims, say they blocked a supposed scum. The scum know who they are. They kill the Rb. We might catch a scum. There's still WIFOM. WHOOPS
Except that in this case, scum don't know if the kill was stopped by doc, rb, or jk, so they don't know what they're looking for.
Same problem with Jailkeeper.
Obviously it hadn't been. Or SSK would have been lynched. I think you are lying about your ignorance.[/quote]
What difference does that make if THE LYNCH MAJORITY HAS ALREADY BEEN ACHIEVED?
I'm sorry, I don't usually get this annoyed, but FUCK YOU. If you can't actually be bothered to read the thread, I've had it with you. Check the list of people voting SSK in BM's end of day post. Is farside on it? no. If she had been, he would have been lynched.
Four to lynch...Battle Mage wrote:
Patrick - Vanilla Townie, Smashed over the Head Day 4
With 6 of you remaining, 4 votes are still required for a lynch. You have 4 days and 2 hours till deadline.
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I posted in thread after Farside did. If farside's vote counts, then SSK is definitely lynched, regardless of what I do. If farside's vote doesn't count for being too late, then obviously mine wouldn't either.Battle Mage wrote:Vote Count
MafiaSSK 3 (Elvis Knits, Forbiddanlight, TonyMontana)
Forbiddanlight 1 (The Fonz)
Not Voting: Farside22, MafiaSSK
You've come out with a load of words that barely form a coherent sentence, let alone a coherent idea about mafia.
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I'm pretty sure a hypoclaim is one everyone states who they "saved" as a doc. That way if their is a doc and that doc dies then the person he or she stated they saved will be known and the doc is not outed.Landlord wrote:What's a hypoclaim?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Let's put this one to the public.
You've come out with a load of words that barely form a coherent sentence, let alone a coherent idea about mafia.
Does anyone who ISN'T trying to misrepresent me understand my point about why a hypoclaim is damaging?
I'm sorry, I don't usually get this annoyed, but FUCK YOU. If you can't actually be bothered to read the thread, I've had it with you. Check the list of people voting SSK in BM's end of day post. Is farside on it? no. If she had been, he would have been lynched
Obviously it hadn't been. Or SSK would have been lynched. I think you are lying about your ignorance.
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ceding this point. I didn't read timestamps. You are right. But I refuse the offer. I don't even like you that much, much less desire to commit such a carnal act ."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I understand now. Well, what you are not saying but what you are meaning, is possible, I guess (shrug). Though I'm not sure if Landlord is a real player with a real role.I don't know what other people were thinking, but I certainly was not considering you drunkards being targets, if you catch my drift.
Yes. Mafia go after the person who claimed the same target as mafia. But this can be solved, I think, by letting no more than 3 different targets in total be claimed. So, for example, townie claims A, second townie claims A, third townie claims B, fourth townie claims A (he is not allowed to say C because that would screw things up), doctor claims C, townie claims C, another townie claims C and then the mafia don't know which one of the persons who claimed C is the real doctor.Let's put this one to the public.
Does anyone who ISN'T trying to misrepresent me understand my point about why a hypoclaim is damaging?
This is a plan for the simplified situation where there is only 1 kill and where we know that there is 1 person who blocked the kill. In either situation, we have to make sure every target is claimed twice to keep the mafia guessing. The only problem is that there might be a doc AND a RB (or even other kill-blocking roles), and that we don't know enough about the drinks. If someone can come up with a good strategy for our current situation, I'm all for hypo-claiming, but I doubt that will happen.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Close, but no cigar. Everyone states 'I either targetted X, or did nothing.'farside22 wrote:
I'm pretty sure a hypoclaim is one everyone states who they "saved" as a doc. That way if their is a doc and that doc dies then the person he or she stated they saved will be known and the doc is not outed.Landlord wrote:What's a hypoclaim?
They very definitely don't claim 'i blocked x' which is why forbiddanlight's argument doesn't make sense. Basically, if we knew that the kill was caused by a roleblocker, then it would definitely be wise to claim rather than risk dying with that info unclaimed. If we knew it's a doc, it's pretty much a wash. The value of the information is greater than that of keeping the power role alive as opposed to any other role.
@ Lawrence: Yes, that is what vanilla townies should do. However, to announce that they are doing so in advance defeats the entire object.
The fact that there is possibly a doc AND an RB does not work against the plan- it makes it harder for the scum to know who to shoot at, since they don't know which was the actual stopper. And if a couple days down the line, we find out somehow that there is definitely no doc, then we have an implicated scum, fairy godfather theories about drinking aside.
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We can all agree that there shouldn't be more than three different targets in total or something. In that case, a vanilla could introduce a new target while there is only one, but will just repeat a target when there are already two different ones, and scum don't know if the doc claimed his target first or later. But again, only works with 1 doc or 1 RB or something.The Fonz wrote: @ Lawrence: Yes, that is what vanilla townies should do. However, to announce that they are doing so in advance defeats the entire object.
You are assuming the doc and RB BOTH stopped the kill, but if they had different targets, only one of them stopped the kill, while they both think they stopped the kill, but the mafia would know who really stopped the kill in this case. So it does work against the plan, except when they had the same target, which I wouldn't assume very easily.The fact that there is possibly a doc AND an RB does not work against the plan- it makes it harder for the scum to know who to shoot at, since they don't know which was the actual stopper. And if a couple days down the line, we find out somehow that there is definitely no doc, then we have an implicated scum, fairy godfather theories about drinking aside.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Works fine until the actual RB claims last...Lawrencelot wrote:
We can all agree that there shouldn't be more than three different targets in total or something. In that case, a vanilla could introduce a new target while there is only one, but will just repeat a target when there are already two different ones, and scum don't know if the doc claimed his target first or later. But again, only works with 1 doc or 1 RB or somethingThe Fonz wrote: @ Lawrence: Yes, that is what vanilla townies should do. However, to announce that they are doing so in advance defeats the entire object.
Don't be ridiculous. I'm not assuming they both blocked the kill, i'm assuming the precise opposite. One or other did. The whole hypo thing comes about precisely because we want to have the possibility of info later, without the risk of outing both now.
You are assuming the doc and RB BOTH stopped the kill, but if they had different targets, only one of them stopped the kill, while they both think they stopped the kill, but the mafia would know who really stopped the kill in this case. So it does work against the plan, except when they had the same target, which I wouldn't assume very easily.The fact that there is possibly a doc AND an RB does not work against the plan- it makes it harder for the scum to know who to shoot at, since they don't know which was the actual stopper. And if a couple days down the line, we find out somehow that there is definitely no doc, then we have an implicated scum, fairy godfather theories about drinking aside.
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Then I misunderstood you. This is actually passably null to slightly beneficial for the town weighed against what the scum gets. I am in support.
Close, but no cigar. Everyone states 'I either targetted X, or did nothing.'
They very definitely don't claim 'i blocked x' which is why forbiddanlight's argument doesn't make sense. Basically, if we knew that the kill was caused by a roleblocker, then it would definitely be wise to claim rather than risk dying with that info unclaimed. If we knew it's a doc, it's pretty much a wash. The value of the information is greater than that of keeping the power role alive as opposed to any other role.
And I'm rather annoyed that FL believes i don't understand her argument, just because i think it's wrong.
Actually, this is what led me to believe you failed to understand
You've come out with a load of words that barely form a coherent sentence, let alone a coherent idea about mafia.
Well, part of me wants any doctors/RBs to claim, to establish if it was incapacitation due to strong drink or an action that prevented the kill, but the other part says this is a horrible idea since it gives way too much scum info, so for now, I'd rather sit on this.
If we knew there was no doctor, an RB should just claim and be done with it.
Either way, I think we've cleared everything up, Fonz. SSK still needs to die."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Yeah I already thought about that. But the RB knows that as well, so if he's not too inactive he can prevent that himself.The Fonz wrote:
Works fine until the actual RB claims last...Lawrencelot wrote:
We can all agree that there shouldn't be more than three different targets in total or something. In that case, a vanilla could introduce a new target while there is only one, but will just repeat a target when there are already two different ones, and scum don't know if the doc claimed his target first or later. But again, only works with 1 doc or 1 RB or somethingThe Fonz wrote: @ Lawrence: Yes, that is what vanilla townies should do. However, to announce that they are doing so in advance defeats the entire object.
If the doc and RB had different targets, how can you say that the scum does not know which was the actual stopper? They just look at which target matches theirs. Either I'm missing something, or you're just confusing yourself here.
Don't be ridiculous. I'm not assuming they both blocked the kill, i'm assuming the precise opposite. One or other did. The whole hypo thing comes about precisely because we want to have the possibility of info later, without the risk of outing both now.
You are assuming the doc and RB BOTH stopped the kill, but if they had different targets, only one of them stopped the kill, while they both think they stopped the kill, but the mafia would know who really stopped the kill in this case. So it does work against the plan, except when they had the same target, which I wouldn't assume very easily.The fact that there is possibly a doc AND an RB does not work against the plan- it makes it harder for the scum to know who to shoot at, since they don't know which was the actual stopper. And if a couple days down the line, we find out somehow that there is definitely no doc, then we have an implicated scum, fairy godfather theories about drinking aside.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Vote Count
MafiaSSK 2 (Lawrencelot, Forbiddanlight)
Not Voting: The Fonz, Farside22, Litral, TonyMontana, Landlord, MafiaSSK, Elvis Knits
9 players remain, 5 votes will lynch. Litral has been Prodded.
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
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