Mini Normal 2248 | A Member Of The Arsonists | Town wins

[Pan Smierc]

actually i have a scumcase in the works. Stay Tuned TM

(will have to wait until tomorrow bc I need to sleep for work but I found something in this game thats like "holy shit")

[Pan Smierc]

StD - does your view on me change at all when you consider the fact I defended NM slot from being wagoned for policy and you are TRing them now?

Seems a bit inconsistent to me with logic. Wouldn't you say that a person dismantling a TvT wagon, from your reads, is actually +town? Your reads just dont match up with reality of actions and I'm trying to figure it out.

I'll be honest. THe scumcase was going to be on you - and I found that in early game as town you tend to have decent analysis on multiple slots even if a couple are gut - but here you are just hyperfocused on me. You have no non multiball scumgames to crossreference with - but you also actually have a high accuracy on me early game so there's also a BoP there.

I'm a swell person so I am giving you a chance to clear the air so to speak - and I'm starting to feel my initial push was *not* in vain.

I frankly think your reasoning for how i'm approaching the game is bullshit and not in fact logical with how the gamestate is clearly at where I am not trusted by many. I just don't see how you genuinely formed those thoughts after reading through how you approach my slot in previous games where we are TvT.


There are seveal inconsistencies with your logic against me and the reality of what has occured this game / who I am as a person and our history.

[Pan Smierc]

fuck this.

I dont want to spell this shit out like people are 5
VOTE: STD

StD has 0 depth to their play and they as town do have depth so this is a straight up scumclaim from their end to lack this depth regardless of me seeing their play + they have read me accurately in the past and where they have read me accurately it was not just *gut*.


They refuse to acknowledge the parts of their argument that are false because they cannot have the conversation without continuing to pretend like they are ignorant of that because it dismantles the reasoning to push me. I am done.


I think my PoE is correct and should be sheeped for the rest of the game.

Don't be a cowardly scum StD, make points against me that are acutally rooted in factual content and not just tossing gaslighty points at me. Its a despicable way to play scum otherwise and it tilts me to no end.

[Pan Smierc]

I am thunderdoming StD. Either you are with me or you are not.

@ben and anyone else I highly suggest you go through these games and look at how StD plays on D1 early game, its night and day:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=86330

was gonna link 1 more but too lazy to find among the myriad of games STD has on his profile.

[Save The Dragons]

Cool beans

[Pan Smierc]

keep trying to plead ignorance as i shove counterevidence in your face

it makes you easier to bury.

[Save The Dragons]

I said cool beans

[Pan Smierc]

everyone, this is how you catch scum with their pants down.

they want a specific gamestate

they want to make sure they can still viably still push a point without needing to go elsewhere.

they have a plan in mind that relies on specfic events happening

so they need to make sure their stances arent forced to change - so forced ignorance is a common tactic.

this is what StD is doing. he is refusing to take in new evidence and actually think about the game.



ive caught many scum this way in recent times. I will continue to do so

if you wanna play scum lazily? go ahead. but dont be surprised when you get caught easily for refusing to put in effort behind your fake thought processes.

[Pan Smierc]

I'm not trying to convince you of my point. I am pushing you to prove me wrong if I am wrong - but your lack of rebuttal just tells everyone else that you dont actually disagree so thanks for making my job easier.

[Pan Smierc]

Subject: Open 809: Charge Me Up! [Over]

let's unpack this

i didn't say "it IS an OMGUS, therefore scum." just that it makes me wary.

besides that, it looks like VFP has reads on people who aren't you, so I'm not sure your second part applies?

You say it's OMGUS and that makes you uncomfortable, and then vote me in the next few posts and you seriously expect me to assume that you mean that it's OMGUS which is seperate from the reason I am voting you because I think you're scum.

- JV

sorry. maybe i need more coffee because i'm not parsing

i said it was basically an OMGUS and that it bothered me. it is part of the reason i'm voting you, yes. i'm just pointing out i didn't say OMGUS = scum which you implied with your "OMGUS != scum" part of your post.

i forgot to quote the posts but this is an example of how town!StD approaches games and vs how he is approaches this one.

[Pan Smierc]

actual good faith sorting - not blind tunnels.

StD doesnt blind tunnel.

which is probably why i mistook him as someone else.

[Pan Smierc]

in StD's own words of how he sorts as town: StD does not seem solvy at all.

Oftentimes - a person's idea of what a scumtell is is what they lack when they are scum.


and again - I point out several times that my opposition to the Why wagon had nothing to do with my read on them but rather the principle of a null slot flipping with low info - and the fact i never called Why town - while StD calls it TMI - is very bullshit and StD is still trying to peddle this point and will not interact with me about the subject *at all*. This is intentional ignorance - as StD cannot cede the point is bunk because it makes his arguments appear to be weaker. and we can't have that when trying to mislim a townie, right?

And if you're planning on disagreeing with me on the basis you already preflipped me scum: a) fuck you b) stop preflipping c) fuck you again

[Save The Dragons]

Huh

You said mislim instead of elim

That's TMI

That's where you called why town

[Save The Dragons]

I thought this was pretty clear

[Pan Smierc]

Huh

You said mislim instead of elim

That's TMI

That's where you called why town

it was intentional to grab attention off why so people stop policy voting and we dont lose d1 discussion.


you hyperfocus on that because to holistically examine my play is to admit you are wrong.

[Pan Smierc]

can we not policy them and waste a mislim

like - what info does it give us?

so what if they're annoying

fucking solve outside of them

i dont have any
but i also dont have any reason to think they're scum.

its lazy as hell to vote there and handing scum a free mislim if theyre town and a lower info state with less mislims for us is a stupid as hell thing to do.

I kinda did that as a manipulative tactic to force votes onto me instead who can be read as a fake scumslip so people stop lazily policy voting a slot that clearly will eventualy be forced one way or another to post game advancing content hopefully

cmon StD try harder

[Pan Smierc]

i will keep shoving this in your face

[Pan Smierc]

Fact is you're a flat as hell slot who is not even examining other slots in the way you normally do as town and you have me as a pet scumread.

[Pan Smierc]

I extended enough olive branches to you. You're done. Finished. Over.

You can't even point to anyone I might be teamed with.

Like you know what a townie with your view would say about my teammates?

That its someone like cookie. Who is afk. That perhaps I'm frustrated with teammates who aren't even playing the game.
But your view isnt genuine and you suck at worldbuilding as scum so you perspective slip here - because you aren't solving.

You have 1 pet scumread and thats it. You don't want to piss off anymore town slots because you want to look good and be safe.

[Save The Dragons]

it was intentional to grab attention off why so people stop policy voting and we dont lose d1 discussion.

Yeah right

[Pan Smierc]

All you can do is discredit me now because you have no counterarguments against my very cleanly laid out plausibility for me being town.

[Pan Smierc]

Man i'm so fucking giddy I feel like i could sing.

Thank you for being blatant scum StD I've had a shit day and this has cheered me up./

[Save The Dragons]

I extended enough olive branches to you. You're done. Finished. Over.

These dramatic statements also make me think you're scum

[Pan Smierc]

Really? Based on what STD.

[Pan Smierc]

Ben is townreading me despite that - are they stupid now? Seems they are able to see a world where I say that. Klick too. You townread them both. What's up STD - why dont you ask them why they think despite that that its viable I'm town - Because why would they disagree with such a decisive piece of evidence as you are claiming! Really come on