Mafia 82: International (Game Over)

[Knight of Cydonia]

SC, welcome to Opportunism Town: Population - you.
It's hardly OMGUS when there's decent reasoning behind it: BM twisted my post massively, which, incidentally, fits with his scum meta: twisting posts and building cases on little or no real evidence.

[StrangerCoug]

To heck with scum meta. Using meta to determine alignment is pretty much as good as useless. If I ever use it, it's only to determine how someone plays in general.

Battle Mage knows what he's talking about. I honestly don't see it as anti-town per se to say that it's best to withhold a claim until L-1, but there are exceptions to that rule, and large games are one of them. If I remember correctly, I told DynamoXI to claim or die when he was at L-2 and got zero suspicion for doing so.

To snap at him for being right about strategy makes no sense, and of the two of you, you are scummier.

[armlx]

KoC, L-1 is not a good time to claim in large games. L-2 or even L-3 depending on the size is far better.

AKA netlava needs more claim.

[BlakAdder]

BM, I'm sorry, but I don't understand your points. Is there anyway you can rephrase what you said about Hascow and KoC, please?

[Battle Mage]

Because I have such a scummy meta that it's more convenient to let you lot lynch me? [/sarcasm]
But seriously, big ol' leap from me saying "If that's going to be your case on me tomorrow" to read it as "I'm definitely going to be around tomorrow, so don't even try using that."
Have a

HoS: BM

on the house.

lol. Is there anything here that merits response?

Blakadder - what in particular do you want clarified?

BM

[Korts]

BM, Has-cow: point taken. Although the fact BM is HoSing me for followign something that I would do in most games bemuses and worries me: if that's going to be your case on me tomorrow... Well, enough said.

Not only do you assume that I will survive till tomorrow, but also that you will. Why is this?

Confirm HoS: Knight of Cydonia

I know that you have a meta of appearing scummy, but it's getting to the stage where i cant ignore it here.

BM

BM, I really don't like your overreaction. You're making mountains out of molehills, and the molehill wasn't even a scumtell in itself. Seriously, is it only a HoS because you're afraid to have a very poorly reasoned vote against KoC on your voting record?

[raider8169]

Hey everyone, Im back. Netlava you asked me a question but I need to find it first. Once I do I will answer as soon as I can.

[Battle Mage]

BM, Has-cow: point taken. Although the fact BM is HoSing me for followign something that I would do in most games bemuses and worries me: if that's going to be your case on me tomorrow... Well, enough said.

Not only do you assume that I will survive till tomorrow, but also that you will. Why is this?

Confirm HoS: Knight of Cydonia

I know that you have a meta of appearing scummy, but it's getting to the stage where i cant ignore it here.

BM

BM, I really don't like your overreaction. You're making mountains out of molehills, and the molehill wasn't even a scumtell in itself. Seriously, is it only a HoS because you're afraid to have a very poorly reasoned vote against KoC on your voting record?

Go die in a fire.

You clearly have been skimming, and if you really want to make an attack on someone, and expect it to be taken seriously, you should probably at least read the relevant posts. I've already explained why i havent voted for KoC, and the reason is this:

Unvote, Vote: Netlava

Let's end this day already.

BM

[Knight of Cydonia]

He clearly has read the relevant posts, what with him HAVING QUOTED THEM IN THE DAMN POST HE MADE.
Also, way to dodge that bullet, BM. Way to dodge.

[Battle Mage]

He clearly has read the relevant posts, what with him HAVING QUOTED THEM IN THE DAMN POST HE MADE.
Also, way to dodge that bullet, BM. Way to dodge.

Lol, i guess you need to read better too. I miss where it says in the quote he made that i intended to vote for Netlava in 24 hours if no claim was made. *major facepalm*

I guess if i dodge a bullet tonight, i'll be held accountable tomorrow. Though for WHAT, im not exactly sure.

BM

[Knight of Cydonia]

Trying to set up a case on me based on something that isn't even a scumtell - considering this is my first "proper" large game (Lover's Multiball not included, since it was nightless and only townies, scum and wolves), that's what.

[Battle Mage]

Trying to set up a case on me based on something that isn't even a scumtell - considering this is my first "proper" large game (Lover's Multiball not included, since it was nightless and only townies, scum and wolves), that's what.

Firstly, something doesnt have to be a commonly used 'scumTELL' for it to qualify as a case against someone. Secondly, i'm not the one using OMGUS as an argument for your lynch. I'm suspicious of you for wording which strongly suggests you are scum, and at the same time, for needlessly trying to look as protown as possible.

And ftr, i can appreciate your meta on me from Multiball. I was scum there, but what i should note is that it was a Mafia + Wolves game. And yes, i GENUINELY thought you were part of the other scumgroup.

BM

[Korts]

BM, my point wasn't that you weren't voting KoC (though thanks, I didn't see the thing with the Netlava vote), it was that the case against him is not enough to warrant even a FoS, IMO. You made a point of being suspicious of him for a thing you admitted was a thing newer players tend to do. Your avoidance of my main point, which wasn't that easy to miss, has caused my eyebrows to be raised. You, sir, are also skimming.

[Battle Mage]

BM, my point wasn't that you weren't voting KoC (though thanks, I didn't see the thing with the Netlava vote), it was that the case against him is not enough to warrant even a FoS, IMO. You made a point of being suspicious of him for a thing you admitted was a thing newer players tend to do. Your avoidance of my main point, which wasn't that easy to miss, has caused my eyebrows to be raised. You, sir, are also skimming.

But, Knight of Cydonia isnt a newer player. I've played in a large game with him before, and he was perfectly comfortable understanding how things work. Why would you put the dummy back in his mouth?

BM

[Korts]

I've only played with him in minis, where the L-1 thing is more than reasonable. I haven't seen him in large games yet. But okay, if you have, sure. Did the town of Multiball explain the "not L-1, rather -2 or -3 in large games" guideline? If not, I think your point isn't valid.

[Knight of Cydonia]

No, it didn't, because it was a Lover game, and nightless, so claiming was pointless, especially as there was only town and scum, no other power roles.

[BlakAdder]

@BM: Reading what the others have said kind of cleared up what I was confused about. Your case didn't look like it was made up of actual scumtells, and that's what confused me. Also, what do you mean by "something doesn't have to be a scumtell to make a case?"

[Battle Mage]

@BM: Reading what the others have said kind of cleared up what I was confused about. Your case didn't look like it was made up of actual scumtells, and that's what confused me. Also, what do you mean by "something doesn't have to be a scumtell to make a case?"

I mean, because something isn't a known scumtell, like Occam's Razor or something, it doesnt mean it cannot be a valid argument.

There are no official scumtells concerning specific wording of comments, and perhaps BECAUSE OF THIS, they are the most useful things to look out for.

I will grant you that KoC might not have been told about claiming early before, but really, it should be self explanatory. When you profess a policy in Mafia, you have to give it a little bit of thought too.

BM

[hasdgfas]

Your case didn't look like it was made up of actual scumtells, and that's what confused me.

ANYTHING can be a scumtell. It depends on context, player, game, all sorts of variables. Just because it's not on some sort of list of scumtells doesn't mean you can't vote someone for it.

[armlx]

This sounds like a dumb argument.

[StrangerCoug]

Your case didn't look like it was made up of actual scumtells, and that's what confused me.

ANYTHING can be a scumtell. It depends on context, player, game, all sorts of variables. Just because it's not on some sort of list of scumtells doesn't mean you can't vote someone for it.

Something about your response reminds me of meta, but I am against using meta to try to determine alignment.

[armlx]

Something about your response reminds me of meta, but I am against using meta to try to determine alignment.

Except the strength of any scum tell can be changed by meta, whether on an individual or mass scale.

Not using meta is just a bad idea. Its better to recognize where it can go wrong and when it does.

[StrangerCoug]

Not using meta is just a bad idea. Its better to recognize where it can go wrong and when it does.

I didn't say I was against meta period. If someone wants to use meta to determine how someone plays in general regardless of alignment, that's fine by me.

[Lowell]

I'll add to the

FOS cynodia

for 1596. The part about being set up for tomorrow was a bizairre non-sequitor.

[Netlava]

swiss town