Open 839: White flag Holder [Game Over]

[Kerset]

Vote Count 1.01

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.

Dwlee99 (3): DArby, numberQ, Three,
Milk & Mocha (3): Toogeloo, Blood Puppets, MegAzumarill,
Not_Mafia (2): Not_Mafia, ahhlo,
marcistar (2): Dwlee99, datsi,
Blood Puppets (1): Andante,
numberQ (1): marcistar,
RH9 (0):
Three (0):
Andante (0):
ahhlo (0):
datsi (0):
MegAzumarill (0):
DArby (0):
Toogeloo (0):

Not Voting

(2): Milk & Mocha, RH9,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-24 15:00:00).

[Toogeloo]

SETUP

9 Vanilla Town
1 Innocent Child

3 Mafia

1 Jester

Game starts as White Flag.
If

Jester

dies from

elimination

then White Flag mechanics gets disabled.
If

Jester

dies from nightkill then game becomes Nightless.

Jester

wins, if it gets

eliminated

. Once

Town

is reduced to 4 members,

Jester

gets treestumped and loses.

Innocent Child

may reveal itself at any given time.

Mafia

wins via parity.

Spoiler: Role PMs

Welcome, x. You are a

Jester

. The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Doomed: You will leave the game in a loss, once Town is reduced to 4 members.

Win condition:

You win when you are eliminated via the Day vote. Your win will not end the game.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x. You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partner is y. The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Factional communication: At any time during the game, you may talk with your partner here: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391
Factional kill: Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may kill a target player.

Win condition:

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x. You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partner is y. The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Factional communication: At any time during the game, you may talk with your partner here: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Win condition:

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x. You are a

Innocent Child

. The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

During day you may post

I reveal myself

in bold to reveal yourself as Innocent Child.

Win condition:

If

Jester

dies from elimination, you win when there are no longer any threats to town.
If

Jester

doesn't die from elimination, you win when only one Mafia Goon remains.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

Welcome, x.You are a

Vanilla Townie

. The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88391

Abilities:

Your weapon is your vote, you have no special abilities.

Win condition:

If

Jester

dies from elimination, you win when there are no longer any threats to town.
If

Jester

doesn't die from elimination, you win when only one Mafia Goon remains.

Reply with your role to me to confirm

For clarification, does Jester only win if they are voted out?

Still looking for this clarification.

[MegAzumarill]

You quoted your answer (yes)

[Dwlee99]

Complaining about NM and expecting something to change is like complaining to Wells Fargo and expecting them to give your money back

[Dwlee99]

vote: marcistar

I think Dwlee99 is mafia, but i also think that it's better not to kill him rn because he will out the other mafia in his posts.

i think he votes marcistar because he wants to look like a town later, and i think marcistar is just posting waffle posts instead of actually helping - so it really does look like their mafia. however, I don't think that Dwlee thinks marci is mafia because marci is acting like mafia, because he has not said any reason for why he voted that way. he said that no one asked, but if he was really town, he wouldn't need to be asked... town would want other pepole to know why someone must be mafia, so that otheres will vote alongside, whereas mafia voting their scum partner does not want anyone else to vote alongside them.

but okay, I will give dwlee a chance: why did you vote marci, exactly?

1. Pronoun please
2. This whole post is kinda nonsense but probably town nonsense

[RH9]

Complaining about NM and expecting something to change is like complaining to Wells Fargo and expecting them to give your money back

Kind of true. It's not like N_M is magically going to change his entrance, which I've gotten used to.

[datsi]

Because my mistake yesterday was Voting N_m which never produces helpful info

You can get reactions from others though, why do you think it’s “never helpful”?

[datsi]

wut info r u hoping to get from voting us?

Nothing in particular tbh
Let's see how it plays out

lulw

[datsi]

Question, are we trying to eliminate jester or let jester get night killed?

>:/
seeing as it getting nightkilled makes the mafia lose that ability, I would think the answer obvious
VOTE: Andante
I fail to see what the aim of the question is besides busywork.

[datsi]

See I wanna know why the puppets of blood are so deadset on the bears right now, like, it's feeling rather unproductive

They could easily be scum honestly. Taly really should know my meta by now but let's wait and see what they have to say. Maybe they have another one of many shitty meta tells that I'll have to spend a lot of time debunking I swear most people come up with such shit meta tells on me. I just feel like Taly wouldn't because there was one game where we had a really long back and forth. It might've just mostly been Alisae but idk @_@@

You mean the student council game right
I think Alisae was the dominant head that game

[datsi]

Are you trying to reverse psychology the jester? I honestly don't know why we'd want to fulfill their win con via vote, pretty sure it only helps scum it it removes the white flag mechanic

Seems pretty obvious Toog is doing that, from my knowledge of him he’s actually pretty skilled with mech

[datsi]

If someone in there is IC that might be an autowin list

it doesnt make sense to talk like this... like he is actually going to commit to this list he made already? some of the people in that list hadn't even talked yet

mmm
this doesn’t vibe well w me

[datsi]

The real question is if we should out jester reads or not.
I'm of the opinion to keep jester reads to ourselves because they upside of scum killing jester outweighs the downside of an elimination making the game require +1 scum dead.

But we don't want to eliminate jester so if you heavily jester read the biggest candidate for an elimination then and only then is the time to speak up

it doesn't matter, jester reads can be wrong just as often as mafia reads. it's better to out your jester read to eliminate candidates for beign mafia and make it easier to figure them out.

For example, I am pretty sure that Not_Mafia is not the jester. but, he seems like he knows how to fake it (he acts very stereotypically). Reason is simple - outing himself this early is a big commitment when he will lose if the total number of players reaches four. at best by confessing now (assuming things go as he intended), he is delaying his lynch by 1-2 days, but by the time town is actually willing to lynch him, so much more will have happened and there's no reason to think he'd get lynched in the final day when there's 3 scummy mafia around.

if I had to guess, not_mafia is either a regular townsperson, or more likely, the IC. But we'll see. I am mostly ignoring his confession, and will still vote him as much asi want.

question for you: how much mafia have you played in the past, and how have you played it?

[marcistar]

If someone in there is IC that might be an autowin list

it doesnt make sense to talk like this... like he is actually going to commit to this list he made already? some of the people in that list hadn't even talked yet

mmm
this doesn’t vibe well w me

disagree

[RH9]

Question, are we trying to eliminate jester or let jester get night killed?

>:/
seeing as it getting nightkilled makes the mafia lose that ability, I would think the answer obvious
VOTE: Andante
I fail to see what the aim of the question is besides busywork.

I can get your point. It does seem like she's trying to appear like she's solving.
VOTE: Andante

[Three]

If someone in there is IC that might be an autowin list

it doesnt make sense to talk like this... like he is actually going to commit to this list he made already? some of the people in that list hadn't even talked yet

mmm
this doesn’t vibe well w me

What's the vibe you're getting here?

[numberQ]

Why does one question about mech strategy make Andante worth voting?

[MegAzumarill]

Because people have a stupid idea that mech discussion = scum because it doesn't solve the game on its own

[marcistar]

VOTE: rh9

[Three]

See I wanna know why the puppets of blood are so deadset on the bears right now, like, it's feeling rather unproductive

They could easily be scum honestly. Taly really should know my meta by now but let's wait and see what they have to say. Maybe they have another one of many shitty meta tells that I'll have to spend a lot of time debunking I swear most people come up with such shit meta tells on me. I just feel like Taly wouldn't because there was one game where we had a really long back and forth. It might've just mostly been Alisae but idk @_@@

I feel you on this. However I'm not really sure what shit tell the Puppets are using?

[Three]

Why does one question about mech strategy make Andante worth voting?

Because people have a stupid idea that mech discussion = scum because it doesn't solve the game on its own

While I do agree with this sentiment, there's not much driving the game right now and Andante isn't necessarily town just because the votes on her are lazy, so I don't see anything wrong with letting wagons happen unless you feel the need to chainsaw here.

Personally, I know this game basically just started but it feels very slow and cautious right now. I feel like I should've honed in on a scummy slot by now, but no one really stands out besides maybe Dwlee.

[datsi]

Why does one question about mech strategy make Andante worth voting?

Because a basic comprehension of the setup renders the question pointless.
I don’t like that you’re saying this after 144 either.

I am curious why marci opted to vote RH9 here

[datsi]

What's the vibe you're getting here?

Outrage at dwlee’s PoE

[MegAzumarill]

What's the vibe you're getting here?

Outrage at dwlee’s PoE

Why the outrage?

[datsi]

I know quite well that getting suspected for doing nothing is frustrating