Micro 1039: The Coalition [game over!]

[Umlaut]

HEAL: Umlaut

Might as well. I'm willing in principle to vote for a coalition that doesn't contain me but last I checked there wasn't enough consensus to start negotiating that

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Andante

ISO is almost 100% fluff through 54, the reasons suspicion in 55 don't make any sense to me (and apparently doesn't make any sense to Andante either since she immediately says "it's okay because esther isn't voting"(????) and backs off it), and then 67-68 are just meta-discussion.

[Umlaut]

Looker (happy birthday, Looker!) caught my eye because their style seems very different from in the past couple of games I've played with them, but I've been away for a bit and also style is just style so I think I'm best ignoring that and just trying to read them as a blank slate.

In those terms, Looker seems... pretty good, actually. Immediately making proposals for the coalition in 11, even if just in RVS style, is probably a good thing. I particularly like 49 which indicates a thought process unlikely to occur to scum; scum are more likely using their votes to

signal

something about themselves, and not looking for clever ways to use it most efficiently to

do

something. There is also a certain freedom of tone in just outright saying "I'm doing this so I can procrastinate" that I usually don't expect from scum. Their other posts are just okay -- not good, not bad -- so on net I've got to call them town. I guess they're voting me because I've been inactive, which is fair, though I hope they can find something better to go on eventually.

The paranoia center of my brain is saying that in my other games Looker has always seemed scummy and in fact been town and maybe I should worry more about what that implies if they seem towny, but I'll ignore that and

HEAL: Looker

[mc esther]

mbot, youve played a few games off-site, have you ever been mafia in any of them?

actually,

@mbot

, while im asking you questions, answer galron too; i think youre town, but i think it's a good question

I didn't realize there was such a rush to lock in a coalition without any data to make my choices. I'm always stiff it's NAI. Galron has been trigger happy from first post of the game

Me knee jerking to rvs is scummy?

[Datisi]

vote count 1.03

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-01-17 00:15:00).

coalition

mc esther [5]:

mc esther, Galron, Enchant, MBot, Looker
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Looker [4]:

Galron, T3, Enchant, ProHawk
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Umlaut [4]:

Galron, mc esther, Umlaut, Looker
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T3 [3]:

mc esther, T3, Enchant
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Galron [3]:

mc esther, Looker, Enchant
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Enchant [2]:

Enchant, T3
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ProHawk [1]:

Looker
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MBot [0]:

Andante [0]:

yeet

mc esther [2]:

Enchant, T3

MBot [1]:

Galron

Umlaut [1]:

Looker

Andante [1]:

Umlaut

not voting [4]:

ProHawk, MBot, mc esther, Andante

mod notes

~ this is the setup where i cannot use my vote counter and must count votes by hand, so let me know if i make any mistakes

flavour

[Galron]

Just a skim but I agree that enchant is townie

HEAL: enchant

@datisi

[Galron]

Just a skim but I agree that enchant is townie

HEAL: enchant

@datisi

Nevermind. I see how it's working.

[Galron]

HEAL: galron

[Looker]

Thank you for the birthday wishes! I think Galron might be scum; he doesnt seem excited enough. I've been stalking him for three games straight and now that we're finally on the same player list, he's silent. Disclaimer: I have not yet looked at other games of Galron's to see if he's an emotive poster. I also do not claim that Galron is fond of me. I am simply conceited.

[Galron]

I'll amp it up for you Looker.

[Andante]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOOKER!!!

HEAL: Looker

(at least for today I'm keeping this )

[ProHawk]

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Looker is town?

[Datisi]

prodding MBot.

[Looker]

i was gonna wait for galron but

HURT: looker
HEAL: mbot

What about MBot's posts prompted this?

nah mbot reads like one of those d1 miselims where, someone drops a bunch of nominal scumtells but it turns out mafia doesnt quite work that way. like, strong guttown read on her.

In what way did MBot appear a miselim? You had more votes than her. And did your strong guttown read come from her three posts? (I don't think she agrees that there's enough information to have strong gut reads)

Spoiler:

Haha Looker. Nice one. Hopefully not a lot of subs this game. Getting a coalition locked in will give us a step in the right direction for POE.

I didn't realize there was such a rush to lock in a coalition without any data to make my choices. I'm always stiff it's NAI. Galron has been trigger happy from first post of the game

Been busy but not a lot of conversation to catch up on yet. Prod dodge mostly but I can take the heat. Hey Andante and Prohawk wanna coalition together? The very definition of the word - a temporary alliance of sorts, since it's obviously everyone randomly joining up based on random nothings. That's actually kind of concerning since there is zero actual conversations to have even gut reads. We still have 13 days left. Even those I know, I'm squinty eyed at until given a reason not to be. Would be kool to finally have a win, just saiyan.

I've only looked at the Micro 829 Coalition, and I find it interesting that Gamma Emerald (scum) actually voted for the all-town coalition. Peculiar strategy.

[Umlaut]

^ Good questions from Looker. I'm looking at MBot and not really seeing anything to like. I do understand the feeling behind 35 (which is another reason to townread Esther) but I don't think "that's not a good enough reason to say someone is scum" is a good enough reason to say they're town, and that's all I'm really seeing in 83.

I actually think MBot seemingly disappearing makes what there is of her ISO look worse, in that if she were barely interested in the game I'd expect from an unselfconscious town perspective a simple "I'll get to this later" or whatever instead of a full paragraph of trying to look engaged without engaging.

Comments on the remaining players:

• ProHawk looks okay, nothing in particular catches my eye to sway me one way or the other. 74 is a decent observation but not an alignment-indicative one because an apparent contradiction is not a hard thing to pick up and I think scum who noticed it would still point it out.
  
  
• Enchant is likewise just fine, don't see the argument that they're hard town, more like gun-to-my-head town.
  
  
• I like that T3 went along with my point about Esther and switched directions so readily there; at that point if he were scum I'd expect him to take the excuse to argue with me just to have something to talk about. In past games T3 played fairly erratically which made him hard to read and this could in principle be what's going on here but regardless I think I like him for town.

HEAL: T3

Readlist:

{Looker, mc esther}

{Galron, T3}

{ProHawk, Enchant}

{MBot, Andante}

This is actually a really tidy list!

[mc esther]

galron was wayyyy subdued as town when i played with him, it doesnt really ping to me.

"looks like the sort of iso that could get day 1 miselimmed" might have been a better phrasing. im, idk, drawing analogy to an archetype, i guess; not practically worrying she's the yeet (like, if we eliminate within the coalition, she's almost certainly not). i get that's a pretty fuzzy and subjective (and perhaps even unreliable!) read, but the questions are relevant, i might feel comfortable calling it in slightly less hazy terms if she comes back to answer.

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Looker is town?

if the point is that looker should self-heal, yes, i agree

[mc esther]

this game's mechanics mean that someone who would usually be very easy to miselim might not even be in an elimination pool, to clarify further on what i mean by "looks like a d1 miselim" (in the abstract) but also "not likely to get d1 yeeted" (in this specific game)

[mc esther]

And did your strong guttown read come from her three posts?

missed this question, although i suspect it's rhetorical; yes, i think those posts are enough to say "i flatly just dont believe scum actually post like that". im unsure why this seems odd to you, most of my reads have come from very few posts.

[Enchant]

i was gonna wait for galron but

HURT: looker
HEAL: mbot

What about MBot's posts prompted this?

nah mbot reads like one of those d1 miselims where, someone drops a bunch of nominal scumtells but it turns out mafia doesnt quite work that way. like, strong guttown read on her.

In what way did MBot appear a miselim? You had more votes than her. And did your strong guttown read come from her three posts? (I don't think she agrees that there's enough information to have strong gut reads)

Spoiler:

Haha Looker. Nice one. Hopefully not a lot of subs this game. Getting a coalition locked in will give us a step in the right direction for POE.

I didn't realize there was such a rush to lock in a coalition without any data to make my choices. I'm always stiff it's NAI. Galron has been trigger happy from first post of the game

Been busy but not a lot of conversation to catch up on yet. Prod dodge mostly but I can take the heat. Hey Andante and Prohawk wanna coalition together? The very definition of the word - a temporary alliance of sorts, since it's obviously everyone randomly joining up based on random nothings. That's actually kind of concerning since there is zero actual conversations to have even gut reads. We still have 13 days left. Even those I know, I'm squinty eyed at until given a reason not to be. Would be kool to finally have a win, just saiyan.

I've only looked at the Micro 829 Coalition, and I find it interesting that Gamma Emerald (scum) actually voted for the all-town coalition. Peculiar strategy.

Yeah i tried same in our game.
I hoped someone will freakout and change mind at last moment.
... Expect that they didn't.

[Looker]

this game's mechanics mean that someone who would usually be very easy to miselim might not even be in an elimination pool, to clarify further on what i mean by "looks like a d1 miselim" (in the abstract) but also "not likely to get d1 yeeted" (in this specific game)

That's the part that concerns me, not knowing how to defend against an unfamiliar angle -

the game mechanics are requiring me to scumhunt via townbloc'ing while townbloc'ing via other players' scumhunting (as opposed to being able to focus on one scummy player at a time).

I was trying to sound fancy, but pretty much I have to evaluate six actions per each player vs the 1 action you have in normal games.

And did your strong guttown read come from her three posts?

missed this question, although i suspect it's rhetorical; yes, i think those posts are enough to say "i flatly just dont believe scum actually post like that". im unsure why this seems odd to you, most of my reads have come from very few posts.

It wasn't rhetorical - I didn't know if you had experience with MBot the same way you have experience with Galron. And none of your other reads you described as "strong".

VOTE: Andante
HURT: T3
HEAL: Umlaut

[Galron]

galron was wayyyy subdued as town when i played with him, it doesnt really ping to me.

"looks like the sort of iso that could get day 1 miselimmed" might have been a better phrasing. im, idk, drawing analogy to an archetype, i guess; not practically worrying she's the yeet (like, if we eliminate within the coalition, she's almost certainly not). i get that's a pretty fuzzy and subjective (and perhaps even unreliable!) read, but the questions are relevant, i might feel comfortable calling it in slightly less hazy terms if she comes back to answer.

Sorry but I understand neither the first nor the second paragraphs. I mean, I understand what you're saying in the first, but I don't characterize my play as being subdued. And with the second, what is waiting to be answered?

[Galron]

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Looker is town?

I have no super strong read that he is, but from what I've seen so far I haven't wanted to drop him.

[Galron]

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Looker is town?

But when you ask this, does who answers what factor in? I don't think you have expressed any scum reads, and you've said you have difficuly time town hunting. So what's the purpose of the question, unless it's to, like someone said, determine whether Looker should heal himself?

[T3]

galron was wayyyy subdued as town when i played with him, it doesnt really ping to me.

"looks like the sort of iso that could get day 1 miselimmed" might have been a better phrasing. im, idk, drawing analogy to an archetype, i guess; not practically worrying she's the yeet (like, if we eliminate within the coalition, she's almost certainly not). i get that's a pretty fuzzy and subjective (and perhaps even unreliable!) read, but the questions are relevant, i might feel comfortable calling it in slightly less hazy terms if she comes back to answer.

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Looker is town?

if the point is that looker should self-heal, yes, i agree

I played with MBOT in a newbie game, and she had considerably more content and was less LHF.

[MBot]

mbot, youve played a few games off-site, have you ever been mafia in any of them?

I've never played a single game as mafia and will admit that I suck at scum hunting. Honestly, I didn't realize I'd be so busy when the game started and real life hold a bit more priority so I apologize for being gone. Have to set a reminder to actually respond here instead of periodically checking in. I've played a total of 5 mafia games and only one newbie game on this site.. which I'm trying to compartmentalize those who played in that game. I'm looking at you, Looker and T3!

mbot, youve played a few games off-site, have you ever been mafia in any of them?

actually,

@mbot

, while im asking you questions, answer galron too; i think youre town, but i think it's a good question

I didn't realize there was such a rush to lock in a coalition without any data to make my choices. I'm always stiff it's NAI. Galron has been trigger happy from first post of the game

Me knee jerking to rvs is scummy?

Knee jerking in RVS isn't innately scummy but the first vote plus random vote gave me a bad vibe. I like to have a bit more to go off of when voting to get an actual response to analyze.

Prohawk can suck it, with all the love. Looker is nul at this point for me since I'm trying to keep open minded. Last game just amped up my suspicion since it was so well done with mafia fosing eachother.

I'll try my best and have someone remind me to keep checking and actually post