Mini 666 - This Could Be Mafia - MOD ABANDONED

competentpsycho · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:29 pm

Muerrto wrote:Um...no YOU have to consider all of them but since I know my role I don't.

funny, I already stated that in the next sentence after what you quoted:

competentpsycho wrote:I realize that if you are town you would have eliminated those scenarios where you are scum, but for now the rest of us cannot safely do so.

Since you are trying to pitch a case to US you should still mention those cases though. I am not holding that against you though. What I am holding against you is the other case and the fact the logic is wrong that you completely ignored from my post, just stating that it was good posting:

competentpsycho wrote:Even if we discount this since you are the one that wrote it, also missing is the scenario of you both being right and Time/Ergo IS scum and you both are town. That is one case that you CANNOT rule out for sure even if you are town. So you are presenting the case in a way that leaves out possibilities. If you include this, like you should have, it would be 2 of 4 scenarios tajo is scum, 2 of 4 he is town, but again this is bad logic, since the "scenarios" used depend on whether or not tajo and Time are scum. Of course it will be 50% of the scenarios tajo is scum if you are considering the scenarios as: A. You are scum B. You are not.

Does this mean you agree that the logic was flawed then?

Muerrto wrote:Except I already went back and corrected myself that Tajo did in fact mention it first but he didn't quite say the same thing I did.

I must have missed that. Sorry.

Vivian Darkblaam wrote:The problem I have with Grimmy's Tajo-hearts-Tony point is that it only works if he puts WIFOM into Tony's mouth. Defending a scumbuddy is still a massive risk, and no right-thinking player will or should assume that WIFOM will protect them if things go south.

Finally someone else sees how retarded Grimmy's case is.

skitzer · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:27 am

The

crystals

cat silently sheds

their

light...

"Meow."

Oh wait. Scratch "silently".

Vote Count Equations At the Moment:

populartajo = +fuzzylightning+Muerrto+Falcone+Grimmy-TonyMontana = 3
Muerrto = +populartajo+TonyMontana+competentpsycho = 3
Grimmy = +Vivian Darkblaam+pickemgenius = 2
TonyMontana = +Battousai+ShadowGirl = 2
Falcone = +Erg0 = 1
Erg0 = = 0
Vivian Darkblaam = = 0
pickemgenius = = 0
Battousai = = 0
fuzzylightning = = 0
ShadowGirl = = 0
competentpsycho = = 0

Not Voting = -Falcone-Muerrto-pickemgenius-Battousai-fuzzylightning-Vivian Darkblaam-Erg0-ShadowGirl-competentpsycho-Grimmy-populartajo = -11

FoS Count:

Falcone has pointed two fingers of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at Timeater!
Falcone has pointed a finger of suspicion at Battousai!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Falcone has pointed a finger of suspicion at populartajo!
Muerrto has pointed a finger of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Muerrto has pointed a finger of suspicion at competentpsycho!
Muerrto has pointed a finger of suspicion at Grimmy!

Note: All player's win conditions are not the same.

populartajo · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:26 pm

Usual busy week.
For now Im going to say: @Muerrto, stop saying that I only used insults in my case/defense becuase its is not true. Don't you find at least a little bit of logic (even if you dont agree) in my posts?
And even if I had used only insults (which is incredibly not true) THAT IS NOT A SCUMTELL.
Im really worried when two of your cases against me are related to this and one is an accusation of scumbuddying when its pretty obvious that its a terrible play if we both were scum.
Still thinking that his "unreasonable/weak reasons" suspicions and his posterior "I want to lynch Tajo no matter what" are the best thing we have for today.
Also worried with Batto and Grimmy posting. I dont know why I have the feeling they dont read the game and they just want to lynch someone. Does Muerrto case make more sense than mine?

Mod: any news on Ergo and Voodoo? What about Falcone and fuzzylightning? I want to know if they still want me lynched.

The prod gods are angry at Erg0. They send another fiery prod his way.
Voodo? Voodo does not exist anymore. pickemgenius, well that's another story.
Falcone's prod was delayed. It's a zoomin' now.
fuzzylightning stepped into that box, remember? I don't what happened to him.

populartajo · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:35 pm

Muerrto wrote:I already admitted my vote was because I was ticked he tried to get me prodded when it wasn't needed.

Can anyone explain me why does this deserve a vote?

Battousai · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:20 pm

Wow, Tajo. Are you purposelly trying to discredit my idea about a lynch of Tony and you by implying that I don't read the thread? Is it because you feel threatened or that since I don't agree with you I must not be paying attention.

Vivian: While a short day does hurt the town, that doesn't mean a long day helps it. In fact, it hurts it. I'm willing to bet someone will vote today and give a reason that they are voting just so there is not a no lynch. Not only is that an issue, but long days makes doing an accurate reread difficult, and makes it so that catching scum that much harder by having people being too cautious to place their vote, causing the wagon to loose steam.

populartajo · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:28 pm

Wow, Tajo. Are you purposelly trying to discredit my idea about a lynch of Tony and you by implying that I don't read the thread? Is it because you feel threatened or that since I don't agree with you I must not be paying attention.

No. I say I have the feeling that you want a non-optymal lynch based in "long days are bad" reasoning. I have said that Tony isnt a good lynch if you think Im prob town. There is some information that you dont seem to be reading.

Muerrto · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:55 pm

populartajo wrote:
Muerrto wrote:I already admitted my vote was because I was ticked he tried to get me prodded when it wasn't needed.
Can anyone explain me why does this deserve a vote?

I already admitted it was a horrible reason. I also said your reactions made it stick.

populartajo · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:15 pm

What reactions? The reactions that arent scumtells?

competentpsycho · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:54 pm

Muerrto wrote:
populartajo wrote:
Muerrto wrote:I already admitted my vote was because I was ticked he tried to get me prodded when it wasn't needed.
Can anyone explain me why does this deserve a vote?
I already admitted it was a horrible reason. I also said your reactions made it stick.

You mean a reaction like voting someone for asking for a prod? I really don't see how his reaction to you voting for him for a crappy reason makes him scum. Could you explain how it does?

Vivian Darkblaam · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:54 pm

Yeah, CP just asked the question I wanted to ask ever since I finished reading the last page.

@Batt: I will give the difficult read point to you (though that is only a matter of dedication) but not the "deadline lets scum and idiots sneak in votes that shouldn't be made". Your behavior in constantly saying "we really should have had a lynch by now" is trying to create a permanent state of that deadline panic. What's the difference between a rushed vote at deadline and a rushed vote brought on by your calls for a consensus?

Muerrto · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:01 pm

competentpsycho wrote:
Muerrto wrote:
populartajo wrote:
Muerrto wrote:I already admitted my vote was because I was ticked he tried to get me prodded when it wasn't needed.
Can anyone explain me why does this deserve a vote?
I already admitted it was a horrible reason. I also said your reactions made it stick.
You mean a reaction like voting someone for asking for a prod? I really don't see how his reaction to you voting for him for a crappy reason makes him scum. Could you explain how it does?

No, I mean his vehemence and insults instead of simply saying 'that was a retarded reason to vote me' or 'how does my asking for your prod make me scum'? Also, town would've most likely said 'oops didn't see you just posted' instead of trying to pursue the crappy case on me.

ShadowGirl · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:08 pm

Prod on pickem? Tajo has the rest covered.

Whoosh! (onomatapoeias is fun)

TonyMontana wrote:Because i can. What's the point of having negative vote powers, if you're not gonna use em to promote your intentions? -.-

So you feel strongly about tajo not being scum?

Will read over what's been said from my last post - must get off.

TonyMontana · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:47 pm

ShadowGirl wrote: So you feel strongly about tajo not being scum?

Strongly enough to keep him from being lynched.

Battousai · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:46 am

Vivian: I see the point your making that it might be creating a deadline panic (which I'm going to stop now since deadline has already been made). But the difference would be that if scum voted townie, they couldn't say it was because of deadline but because

I

told them a decision should have been made. The latter is not a credible reason IMO.

competentpsycho · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:08 am

Battousai wrote:Vivian: I see the point your making that it might be creating a deadline panic (which I'm going to stop now since deadline has already been made). But the difference would be that if scum voted townie, they couldn't say it was because of deadline but because
I
told them a decision should have been made. The latter is not a credible reason IMO.

Neither is the former IMO. Deadline is not an excuse for voting for someone. If you don't believe someone is scum, don't vote for them. You are not required to vote at deadline, it just makes the day end as it is, so there is still no reason to vote for someone unless you think they are the most likely person to be scum, or protecting someone you KNOW has a power role or is town, which since there haven't been any night actions, no one should know.

Grimmy · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:28 am

competentpsycho wrote: Neither is the former IMO. Deadline is not an excuse for voting for someone. If you don't believe someone is scum, don't vote for them. You are not required to vote at deadline, it just makes the day end as it is, so there is still no reason to vote for someone unless you think they are the most likely person to be scum, or protecting someone you KNOW has a power role or is town, which since there haven't been any night actions, no one should know.

Just to repeat, Im voting for a Tajo lynch today, but I would also support a Tony M Lynch. Im still on the FOS point for falcone, so I wouldnt switch my vote to him on day one just yet.

Grimmy
putting in his 2 cents

populartajo · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:46 am

Muerrto just proved that,
a)his vote for me wasnt becuase he thought I was scum.
b)the reasons why he thinks Im scum for arent scumtells.
c)cant think in another player as scum besides me.
Dont know if this has to be more obvious. Or dont know why some people prefer my lynch than his... shrug.
............
Grimmy I may be losing something but why exactly are you voting for me? What's your opinion of Muerrto?

Grimmy · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:52 am

populartajo wrote: Grimmy I may be losing something but why exactly are you voting for me? What's your opinion of Muerrto?

Check posts 418 and 420 for more clarification.

Im on the fence about Muerto. he is someone I want to keep an eye on, but not suspicious enough for an FOS.

Grimmy

populartajo · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:06 am

And nothing has change your mind from that? Way to read a game.
Why Falcone?

Grimmy · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:44 am

populartajo wrote:And nothing has change your mind from that? Way to read a game.
Why Falcone?

Nothing you have said has budged me from this.

I also stated what I thought of falcone in those posts
Way to read a game there champ

Grimmy
also mentioned this tactic, didnt he?

Muerrto · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:13 pm

populartajo wrote:Way to read a game.

And we're back...

populartajo · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:24 pm

Love how you attack me and my way of playing mafia and not my arguments. Love it.
Yes. I'm pissed today so I should stop posting before you all lynch me.
See ya tomorrow.

TonyMontana · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:29 pm

Muerrto wrote:No, I mean his vehemence and insults instead of simply saying 'that was a retarded reason to vote me' or 'how does my asking for your prod make me scum'? Also, town would've most likely said 'oops didn't see you just posted' instead of trying to pursue the crappy case on me.

Being abrasive or tact-less is not a scumtell.

Grimmy · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:07 pm

populartajo wrote:Love how you attack me and my way of playing mafia and not my arguments. Love it.
Yes. I'm pissed today so I should stop posting before you all lynch me.
See ya tomorrow.

this was another one of your "if you are not with me, you are against me" tactics. Like I said, nothing had occured to sway me from my vote. Can you provide anything that I should pay closer attention to (in your arguements) that should be enough to prove your innocence and sway anyones vote?

Grimmy
looking for proof in the pudding

populartajo · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:14 pm

populartajo wrote:Muerrto just proved that,
a)his vote for me wasnt becuase he thought I was scum.
b)the reasons why he thinks Im scum for arent scumtells.
c)cant think in another player as scum besides me.
Dont know if this has to be more obvious. Or dont know why some people prefer my lynch than his... shrug.

Do you agree with me? Yes or no? Why?