Micro 1038: Brass and Shrapnel - Game Over

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And we play

VOTE: the onion

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Sir, this is a Wendy's

Double cheese, mayo & pickle, small chili please

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Bam bam BAM!

Barney, can you tell him not to do that to Pebbles anymore?

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I actually don't think I've played with anybody on this list

Except maybe Flea? Were we in a trust fall game a little while ago, maybe?

I've also played with Flea but that's all I think.

Bring on the mayhem!

VOTE: zefiend

Handy of you to use your username to admit you're scum.

Nice of you to use your face to show you're creepy

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VOTE: Cheeky

for handing out TRs to half the plist

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@mod can we have a link to the setup?

I'm at least 7% sure this is an open

I'm no mod but here you go https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 6_Shrapnel

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Was that a test Eden?

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Guessing this game will be over quickly

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one half RVS, one half conversation starter since everyone's checked in I think

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I don't think scum would do that, but you're a wily vet, so maybe you're doing a Slayer's Gambit type thing.

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And I'm hyped from my trip that I just finished and felt like posting.

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VOTE: Cheeky

for handing out TRs to half the plist

How does that benefit scum!me?

Cheeky, have you played this setup before?

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We all don't have guns, but it sounds like a blast.

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At first I thought we just all claim vig and leash everyone. But that's not going to work with blanks or at least the possibility of blanks.
So I guess we just play mafia.

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Fuck I don't think there's any kind of claiming strat that would work.

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And there's a Mafia factional doc

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I don't necessarily think mass claim is a great idea (appreciate the work, zef). We should just play the game out.

And yes, it says there could be a maf rolecop too, but I don't know the utility of one so why worry about it?

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zefiend is zetown.

We should just play the game out.

Still a good idea. What do you think about the votes against you?

VOTE: unowen

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Eden mad. Flame burn.

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Merry Christmas everyone.

Even you, Pav, my ducky man.

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Onion you had an early sr on me. Does that still exist?

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Do you think Pav and I are buddies?

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1. You weren't asking about a vote on you.
2. Phrasing. "Explain why to me" rings like someone wanting to understand the reasoning behind the vote. "What's the thinking here" feels a little more like what someone says when they know there are valid reasons to consider them scum and are wondering if the player is voting them for a good reason or is right for the wrong reasons.

That's my gut feel about the phrasing and since it is just an instinctual impression that's why I said it seems tonally scummy

to me

: I recognise it's possible others have different impressions of those posts.

Do you think Owen is bussing?

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fair.

Is your vote still rvs or is it serious?

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1. You weren't asking about a vote on you.
2. Phrasing. "Explain why to me" rings like someone wanting to understand the reasoning behind the vote. "What's the thinking here" feels a little more like what someone says when they know there are valid reasons to consider them scum and are wondering if the player is voting them for a good reason or is right for the wrong reasons.

That's my gut feel about the phrasing and since it is just an instinctual impression that's why I said it seems tonally scummy

to me

: I recognise it's possible others have different impressions of those posts.

Do you think Owen is bussing?

I thought Owen's first vote earlier could have been distancing, the E-1 vote is unlikely to be, though.

So to be clear, my "slip" weighs more than Owen's "tonally scummy" question, correct?

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fair.

Is your vote still rvs or is it serious?

I want you to tell me what you think my vote is at this point, cause this seems odd to me.

If I had a strong feel either way I wouldn't have asked you.

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UNVOTE:

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The desire to hammer this just to juice this game is strong, but I don't think I'll actually do that

Instead I'll VOTE: UNOwen for so casually (and knowingly!) putting LGW on e-1 and putting this in lolhammer territory.

Do you really think scum does that?

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I mean that was an attention getter.

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Ehh.. maybe.

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fair.

Is your vote still rvs or is it serious?

I want you to tell me what you think my vote is at this point, cause this seems odd to me.

If I had a strong feel either way I wouldn't have asked you.

Page 4 of a slow game thats just about threatening to from RVS, and I've challenged both votes there.

it's RVS and I'm wondering why you would think it's serious.

It doesn't seem like we're in rvs, and I don't know why you would think that.

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refers to the post below?

That was what I was referring to.

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The desire to hammer this just to juice this game is strong, but I don't think I'll actually do that

Instead I'll VOTE: UNOwen for so casually (and knowingly!) putting LGW on e-1 and putting this in lolhammer territory.

Do you really think scum does that?

I find it worth applying a little pressure at the very least

That's fair. I probably should've let it go, but your vote and reasoning seemed opportunistic.

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Onion you had an early sr on me. Does that still exist?

Yes

As long as we're on the same page.

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I can do this.

VOTE: Imaginality

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This game is slow.

LGW is not voting anybody at present, and ZeF has not yet voted. What up with that?

Hey! We voted. For the same person no less.

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If LGW ever feels like explaining their vote against me then an explanation for the unvote would be good too.

I think there was a good or at least reasonable reason for LGW to vote me there.

You first.

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VOTE: Eden's Flame

I like this better.

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Leaning town on onion and flea.

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I'm still fine with a LGW flip - but would like to poke around. I don't like that LGW stalled out at E-1 there are two reasons for that resistance. LGW is scum and buddy is off wagon or LGW is town and both scum already on wagon. So good flip either way imo.

Really? It's basically an Extended RVS wagon as far as I'm concerned. Game is low activity there's not much really to go on and it's clear pressure is just being ignored completely probably due to Yuletide spirits. D1 is bad in general but this seems awful.

This is good analysis.


I wouldn't consider it RVS at all. My initial rvs vote had reason behind it as LGW voted outside those who had already posted in the game which could be scum afraid of confrontation from the get go. I then called him town and unvoted to observe and they did the weird mafia doc tmimaybeslip thing and their posting isn't very convincing as town. From the "slip" I believe imaginality/LGW are tvs.

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Discounting that we could be T/T is negligent.

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Let's try this again. Everybody.

I'm still fine with a LGW flip - but would like to poke around. I don't like that LGW stalled out at E-1 there are two reasons for that resistance. LGW is scum and buddy is off wagon or LGW is town and both scum already on wagon. So good flip either way imo.

This is good analysis.

Really? It's basically an Extended RVS wagon as far as I'm concerned. Game is low activity there's not much really to go on and it's clear pressure is just being ignored completely probably due to Yuletide spirits. D1 is bad in general but this seems awful.

I wouldn't consider it RVS at all. My initial rvs vote had reason behind it as LGW voted outside those who had already posted in the game which could be scum afraid of confrontation from the get go. I then called him town and unvoted to observe and they did the weird mafia doc tmimaybeslip thing and their posting isn't very convincing as town. From the "slip" I believe imaginality/LGW are tvs.

Discounting that we could be t/t is negligent.

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Pavvvvvvv, you're here. Let's solve this game.

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The HELL. Why did that get quoted? I hate phone posting.

Yeah, LGW. Let's do this thing.

What do you think of Flea? I think Flea is dancing around in the aether, and it kinda bothers me that Flea is doing that.

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I'm not a fan of how Flea is doing that, but that's a style issue I think.

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I can't tell if Flea is pot-stirring or just not engaged. I mean, I don't get the whole RVS thing. We were done with that pretty quickly, but Flea seems to maybe even think we're just coming out of it. I don't see how my wagon is an RVS wagon either. It doesn't add up. People have been scum reading me since early on; those aren't RVS votes.

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Zefeind hasn't done anything but that one strat post really. I could lim there. I didn't realize how little he had done until I just looked at his ISO. And a blind vote on Cheap Trick. That's it. Could be scum, really. What do you think?

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I think Cheeky's almost right about my wagon. It could be a one on one off and the one off is afraid of hammering and getting heat for it. But I don't know how much heat they'd get.

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A small game like this is more difficult with a meme player in it, but I don't think scum take that slot.

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LGW your question dodging continues to disappoint me.

I feel so bad about that. What question(s) am I dodging?

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Would some chocolate milk help you feel better?

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LGW your question dodging continues to disappoint me.

I feel so bad about that. What question(s) am I dodging?

I see, you're asking what my thinking was when I voted you. Someone covered that. It was a weird thing to ask. If you would've asked why did I vote you, that would've been one thing, but what was my thinking when I voted you is an approach I can't grok. I think I may have been thinking of butterflies or cornbread at the time.

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A small game like this is more difficult with a meme player in it, but I don't think scum take that slot.

ok things I need to address in general currently, but this has really caught me.

Am I correct in assuming that you are TR'ing Onion based solely on dedication to the meme account?

No. They're also solving.

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I see, you're asking what my thinking was when I voted you. Someone covered that. It was a weird thing to ask. If you would've asked why did I vote you, that would've been one thing, but what was my thinking when I voted you is an approach I can't grok. I think I may have been thinking of butterflies or cornbread at the time.

Ok, then I'm asking why did you vote for me? The offer of chocolate milk is appreciated but if I could get an answer to this that would be much preferred.

I thought it was coming from scum trying not to look like they're OMGUSing.

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But everyone seems to respect them for being a good player so I am wary of my own surface-level read.

I have never been accused of being "respected" or a "good player", so pardon me while I climb right into your pocket

I bite my thumb at thee.

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The wiki needs updating then because as worded that's not what it says at all

The way it's written in the description is confusing, but the sample rolecard is correct and I should have read that.

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Also VOTE: unvote since if LGW is familiar with the previous game then the slip wasn't a slip.

Is this just a typo?

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Happy New Year!

I can't remember where my head was at with this game before the weekend.

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If we're going to have a counter to the imaginality wagon, this will do

VOTE: zefiend

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I'm such an idiot

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So both scum were the first votes on imaginality?

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And suddenly there's a gladiate between imaginality and myself. I just clicked that noone hammering LGW might actually indicate they're town and scum are uneasy hammering that (assuming at least one scum off wagon)

I mean, here you were assuming at least one scum off a hammerable wagon.

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Votecount 1.3

Little Green Wheels (4) - imaginality, CheekyTeeky, Eden'sFlame, UNOwen
UNOwen (2) - Flea the Magician, Pavowski
Pavowski (1) - The Onion

Not voting (2) - zefiend, Little Green Wheels

(expired on 2022-01-04 08:28:00) remain until day end

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

CheekyTeeky is V/LA until New Year's Day.

I don't know that my wagon was all town, but it's weird no one hammered.

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Scum aren't guaranteed to have Doc, they could have RB.

I'm not sure whether you're dumbtelling or just not reading the game. You made the same error in 54 but we did have a whole conversation about this after that.

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Right now I think scum is in [Onion, Eden, Zefiend] with an outside shot at Teeky

Onion please post a vote or something I can actually read

Eden, I still want to hear your thoughts on Zefiend

LGW, of the lurkers who's scummiest?

Teeky no questions, you've actually voiced a solve (and you apparently don't do interrogations anyway?)

UNVOTE:
Is it a kind of slip that zefiend doesn't get the mechanic still?

Don't even know what to call it at this point, but I'd like his people reads more than his mech talk

I think he's probably town now, either skimming or just flat out missed it. As I type that it seems like a stretch, but I just don't think that comes from maf and the frustration feels genuine.

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Remaining players

Pavowski -- feels like town
Eden'sFlame -- post 73 a vote on me for an rvs vote (as I stated in 29) they say in 145, but that wasn't their stated reason in 73. I don't know that putting themselves as town in their own reads list means all that much though.
The Onion -- was thinking town bc despite the meme was doing some kind of decent solving but it would help if we got some substantive content
CheekyTeeky -- going by memory, kind of all over the place, which feels townie
ɀefiend -- thinking town bc of the setup slip, but could possibly be a forced slip, I just don't think so

So way too many town leans.

VOTE: Eden'sFlame

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zefiend, if this weren't a volatile game I would agree that no lim is the way to go, but if we no lim or not, I think there's a possibility the game could just end overnight.

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And Pav is right, if you (and The Onion btw) could give some reads with even some minimal analysis...

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I reread the game and like zefiend for town more
Why would I not push the LHF if I'm scum?

Not a good retort.

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And Pav is right, if you (and The Onion btw) could give some reads with even some minimal analysis...

I overlooked 319 and 320 from The Onion.

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good hammer, zefiend.

fun game

Thank you sircakez. Well done. Hope to play with you people again