Micro 1041: Geriatric F11 [Postgame]

[catboi]

Vote Count 1.07

mc esther (3):

Dwlee99, Roadkill, Andante

Dwlee99 (2):

Sleepless Assassin, Three

Three (2):

Umlaut, mc esther

Andante (1):

joqiza

Roadkill (1):

Looker

With 9 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

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Deadline for Day 1 is January 25 at 9:00 PM EST.

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joqiza (1)

[joqiza]

I'm... very frayed right now. (Nothing related to this game). My main thought right now is that mc esther's posting on the past couple pages feels ridiculously towny. I don't know what I'm seeing differently from other people, but her consideration of Three feels like bleeding my obvious town regardless of what Three is. I'm shielding this slot and prepared to pay the price if I'm wrong.

My townreads are Umlaut, Roadkill, and MC E. Need to head back to work but will try to phonepost while my boss isn't looking.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'm... very frayed right now. (Nothing related to this game). My main thought right now is that mc esther's posting on the past couple pages feels ridiculously towny. I don't know what I'm seeing differently from other people, but her consideration of Three feels like bleeding my obvious town regardless of what Three is. I'm shielding this slot and prepared to pay the price if I'm wrong.

My townreads are Umlaut, Roadkill, and MC E. Need to head back to work but will try to phonepost while my boss isn't looking.

Want to vote Dwelee? I'll give you cookies or something.

[mc esther]

myself, andante, umlaut, and looker have all said that dwlee isnt happening. im guessing dwlee wont self-vote. this wagon isnt happening.

looker seems to reject every viable wagon though, which, um. i dont think i have such a strong preference on three over looker any more.

myself, three, and looker all still appear to be viable.

[Looker]

Why are my suggestions not viable

[joqiza]

VOTE: Dwlee99

I just find their contributions really lacking, impressively so over a 10-day timespan. However, I'll be honest that no one reads partnered with them to me at all.

I would vote Looker or Three to break a deadlock, with a slight preference towards voting Three if the wagons were tied. No interest in voting any other slot today.

172 makes me think Three might believe what he's saying, though, @mc esther it seems like you interpreted him saying "I'm pretty sure the slot isn't being town read" as a 'retrofit' for his original comment, I think that's the wrong interpretation and he was using the statement as, like, an addendum for why Looker would be a good choice. Still find said original comment to be weird but just wanted to mention that.

@Looker I don't really agree with the Roadkill push, although, the two posts you quoted from Roadkill are actually two that I was initially suspicious of as well. And then, the rest of his posts start feeling much better to me. Have you read the whole game? (I feel like I've been asking you this.)

Reads list looks something like this:

if they're mafia I suck:

Umlaut/Roadkill/Mc esther

could be town:

SA, Andante

both wolves in here hopefully:

Looker, Three, Dwlee

Andante still feels weird. So many of her posts hit my brain and say "WOLF." but 122 makes me reconsider everything.

[joqiza]

Looker/Dwlee just feels wrong because you'd expect scum!Looker to bite on mc esther or Three wagons, rather than try to start one on Roadkill that probably goes nowhere. I could be wrong on Dwlee/Andante, but I really don't think they are partnered based on a lot of things. I think they have consciously tied themselves together too much to be scum together.

Dwlee/SA would be weird because of SA's push and Dwlee/Three is just suicidal.

My mind is flipping back and forth between these non-teamreads and a "don't do pre-flip associatives" mantra. Last-minute towntelling from the slots in my PoE would be appreciated, my mind isn't made up yet. I'll be working near deadline but should be able to be at thread for final minutes and flip.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I actually agree with you that the top wagons are people who don't make sense as scum with Dwelee. I can't see Dwelee/Three at all. I don't believe in Dwelee/mc esther all that much. I kind of lean towards if Dwelee is scum, it's with Andante or Roadkill who I don't have as being scum individually. But this feels like a Day 2 discussion to me.

[Sleepless Assassin]

myself, andante, umlaut, and looker have all said that dwlee isnt happening. im guessing dwlee wont self-vote. this wagon isnt happening.

looker seems to reject every viable wagon though, which, um. i dont think i have such a strong preference on three over looker any more.

myself, three, and looker all still appear to be viable.

You and Dwelee are the lead wagons. Are you town reading Dwelee so strongly that you'd prefer to either die or have no elimination go through?

[Umlaut]

Joq, if you insist on voting Dwlee over Three right now then I'm going to have to move to the Looker wagon and get others to move there too, because I don't think there's enough support to push Three through without you and I don't want to wait until the last second to get a claim. This would likely mean you end up having to compromise on your third choice as opposed to your second. Switch to Three please?

[joqiza]

Ugh, okay. I'm considering it. Why are you opposed to voting Dwlee? The argument that it's uncharacteristic of him to not engage with the game felt, well... it was convincing to me, I guess. I've played with a lot of wolves who just struggle to post as that alignment. Do you disagree with that meta or is there some reason to TR him through it?

[Looker]

Are there any cases other than thinly veiled survivalism

[Looker]

I've read after my replacement - I figured if anything happened before that someone would reference it, so that part was skimmed. Is there anything worth seeing?

[Sleepless Assassin]

Are there any cases other than thinly veiled survivalism

Are there any cases other than thinly veiled survivalism

Mainly their awkwardness in their first few posts when their role PM would have been freshest in their mind. It sounds like they have a history if struggling as scum, and they haven't produced a whole lot here. And they just feels so similar to the last game I played with them where they were scum. And just a complete lack of anything town.

Preview edit: Yeah I'd encourage you to read the very beginning. That's where my scum read came from.

[joqiza]

Are there any cases other than thinly veiled survivalism

I don't really have time for this kind of cattiness, if you think someone is being survivalistic say it with your chest and we can go from there, as it stands I'm not sure who or what you're referring to.

The case on Dwlee is based on them being extremely passive, which, according to Three, is uncharacteristic of their town game. Dwlee hasn't rebuked this claim that I am aware of.

Case on Three is fencesitting a potential TvT between myself and Andante and a weird comment about policy limming you.

Not sure what cases are on Esther or yourself. Andante seems to think you are mafia for reasons that I don't understand.

Note that these are not exactly airtight cases, so yes, you reading the game prior to your replacement would be greatly appreciated. Your reads on Dwlee, Three, and Andante are what I'd be most interested in.

[catboi]

Dwlee uses they/them

[Sleepless Assassin]

Dwlee uses they/them

Sorry, feel free to edit my post. Is it possible to have this post not count against my limit?

[joqiza]

I'm so sorry, I'm an idiot. Please edit my post if possible.

--I don't normally do this bu I've made an exception this time, try to be diligent in the future.

[Three]

im having a hard time believing that's what you meant, it looks like a retrofitted meaning for statement you hadnt fully thought through because youre not town. it "works" if you squint, like, you can totally claim that "looker intentionally tries to rep into scum slots" actually meant "nobody's townreading wh4t, which makes me believe looker's intentionally repped into a scumslot, which i also believe is something he attempts to do". but i think what you wouldve said if you meant that wouldve been more along the lines of "wh4t and now looker have been lurking hardcore, so im not against a policy lim here. strengthening this, i also think looker tries to replace into scum slots", like, i think that first sentence is how people usually call for policy eliminations on lurkers.

This doesn't make any logical sense to me. How can I accuse Looker of lurking if he had literally just repped in at the time and was actually posting? Also claiming I'm trying to retrofit the meaning of what I said is just silly.

You're genuinely trying to claim that, as scum, I made such an apparently bizarre statement without not only thinking it through, I also said it for literally no reason? Like what do I gain out of it as scum? To needlessly get suspicion thrown at me? It's like you saw a weird statement and just took it at face value as scummy, but didn't think through any of the logistics or reasoning for

why

scum would do that.

dont worry, i wont use post limit as an excuse to stop contributing so close to end of day, i'll dip into reserve if need be. you werent talking about lurking, you were talking about a lack of townreads, my bad; but my overall point remains the same, that i think youd emphasize the thing that actually made you want the policy elim (the lack of townreads on that slot, not lurking, my bad, though the two are related), rather than speculation on looker's replacement habits.

Why would I? This is again just a shallow/face value take on what I said.

[Umlaut]

Ugh, okay. I'm considering it. Why are you opposed to voting Dwlee? The argument that it's uncharacteristic of him to not engage with the game felt, well... it was convincing to me, I guess. I've played with a lot of wolves who just struggle to post as that alignment. Do you disagree with that meta or is there some reason to TR him through it?

I believe I've played with Dwlee before but don't remember anything about it and can't even think of a particular game so I'm in no position to disagree with the meta claim. I just don't think that's a very convincing argument in the first place, because (unless I missed something) it is missing the other half where any meta claim is presented about Dwlee's typical

scum

play. Activity tells and player like you described do exist but in general I think players who have a lot to say usually have a lot to say as either alignment, and if a seven-year scummer seems less engaged in a particular game it is most likely because of something other than the color of their role PM. It also seems like a lot of players have been more disengaged than usual in this game (I know I've had moments of struggling to find something meaningful to say) and I don't think it's reasonable to single out Dwlee for criticism in that regard.

Dwlee is not in my "never ever launch" category but they've made a couple of posts I read as at least mildly towny (38, 74) and not really any I read as scummy.

[Andante]

Looker/Esther... lim in that. it's really not hard...

[Three]

Also I wasn't fence sitting Andante vs Joqiza, I don't remember if I outright said you two were TvT but I felt it was at least implied I thought so by virtue of me saying your content had alignment indicative content, told you two it would be healthier for the game state to cut the argument short and interact with other people, then proceeded to push Dwlee as a scum read.

[Andante]

d1 deadline is soon. I'll only vote esther or looker

[joqiza]

Three, I think mc esther saw your "Looker slot isn't being townread" line, and assumed that you meant that, like, Looker saw that Wh3t wasn't being townread, and so used that as reasoning to sub in, lol. Which would indeed be a really weird and convoluted thing for you to think, but I also think that wasn't what you meant at all.

I could myself be misunderstanding, but I think there's a possible miscommunication there.

@Umlaut Okay, I'm weighing your post.

@Andante I'm not voting Esther, I'd go Looker. I'm debating between Three/Looker/Dwlee right now.

[Looker]

"Say it with your chest" Mafia as a game is survivalistic, but I appreciate your retort and additional information. Didn't think it was catty, tho.

Andante's quiet like the last game I was in where she was scum. Three always dies. And mc esther I can't remember by phone the eagerness or lack thereof with which she jumped on Three's replacement theory to policy lim me. The fact that there's intent to policy lim me when I've hyperlinked my town utility in previous games should be alarming.