Mini 695 - Futurama Mafia - Over

[Xtoxm]

I only said that because i#m not trying to keep myself alive.

[farside22]

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Xtoxm 5 vote: (Porochaz, wolframnhart, Dukes, Drunken Piper, Gorrad)
Porochaz 1 vote: (Xtoxm)
Jahudo 1 vote: (pacman281292)
wolframnhart 1 vote: (LlamaFluff)
kloud1516 1 vote: (Jahudo)

Not voting:

GhostWriter
Zorblag
kloud1516


With 12 alive it will take 7 to lynch
Deadline is November 12th, 3:00pm PST

[Porochaz]

I only said that because i#m not trying to keep myself alive.

Obviously

[Zorblag]

OK, the game seems to be dragging a bit at this point. Xtoxm doesn't seem as though he's going to be a willing tool for the town if he is a SK (which I still don't fully buy.) At this point I won't have any real issues with him getting lynched at the end of the day. On the other hand, lynching him right now means that we've gained very little information and go into the second day giving scum the advantage of initiative so let's see what we can do to talk about other things that might lead to useful information down the line.

I'll go ahead and upgrade my FoS to a

Vote: Dukes

.

Dukes, you're not being at all shy about your insinuation that you're a robot:

Role hinting much? Razz

Ya think? Wink

Why do you think that's helpful for the town as something to do on pages 1 and 2?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Porochaz]

I think roleclaiming does not effect the game in any way and couldnt care less if someone claimed

[wolframnhart]

I think roleclaiming does not effect the game in any way and couldnt care less if someone claimed

Kinda agree there. Farsides Family Guy Mafia game if someone character claimed it wouldn't really do much, and to vote someone based on that seems a bit odd.

[Gorrad]

I don't think a single Futurama character could be a jester except Zoidberg, and he makes more sense as a doc.

[wolframnhart]

A bad doc, but a doc non the less.

[Gorrad]

He'd be a good doctor if it wasn't for all the biology : P.

[pacman281292]

That looks like:
a) a stupid Jester
b) a insane townie, or a weird role
c) a insane scum

Does this mean you think he can't be SK?

SK ∈ weird role.
Not truly, but I thought that I included it. Anyways, if he is SK, he is the biggest idiot or frustrated guy I've ever seen...

I think that Zoidberg would rather be an insane doc or a quack (?).

[Gorrad]

Point is, not the most likely Jester.

[Dukes]

I'll go ahead and upgrade my FoS to a

Vote: Dukes

.

Dukes, you're not being at all shy about your insinuation that you're a robot:

Role hinting much? Razz

Ya think? Wink

Why do you think that's helpful for the town as something to do on pages 1 and 2?

Because I can tell you right now that:

1) I have the town role my breadcrumbs (or bread slices) are pointing towards;
2) There's no way anyone making a Futurama Mafia would ever

not

include this character in it.

Honestly, what do I have to do to get you to stop lookin' at me? Introduce you to my "evil" twin? Geez.

Look, we have the SK dead-to-rights at L-2. This is not FoS time, it's Hammer time! If the argument is that you want to wait and get more info from others, fine; but why vote of all things? I'm willing to talk.

[LlamaFluff]

I don't think a single Futurama character could be a jester except Zoidberg, and he makes more sense as a doc.

This is the exact reason I dont like name claims. It ends up with a hell of a lot of speculation that has just as good of chance as hurting us then helping us figure stuff out. A basic thought process with Zoidberg could go "well probably a doctor, but he doesnt know stuff... maybe a quack? Maybe even a weak doctor since zoidberg is so odd..." This just goes into an infinate loop of speculation.

@Jaduho - The two people I think who have been moving towards a Poro lynch have been wolf and dukes.

Wolf with speculation of Poro being a mafia rolecop in this post

Could Poro be a day cop for mafia? maybe. But I would rather get rid of the known anti-town role.

and Dukes with

Have we considered the idea that Poro is bussing Xtoxm? His rationale for saying Xtoxm is SK is that "he's always SK". Xtoxm then says, "Dammit, I hate when you're right, daycop and therefore scum." Ever since, the two have been arguing back and forth over this. The idea is that Xtoxm gets lynched Day 1 and turns up, not SK, but scum anyway. Now we all pat Poro on the back and Follow the Cop straight to Losertown. Or, perhaps, Xtoxm is the Mafia Don with "Last to Go Protection"; then we've wasted our lynch. I'm not which, if either, is the likely outcome, but the players doth protest a tad too much for my liking.

While wolf is a little more blatant with the speculation which could easily lead to a D2 vote of Poro based on the rational that if xotxm flips SK Poro must be scum power, I think Dukes isnt quite as bad. This is because its pretty faulty logic that he is drawing the conclusion from.

[Jahudo]

I only said that because i#m not trying to keep myself alive.

Ugh.

There's no way anyone making a Futurama Mafia would ever not include this character in it...
Introduce you to my "evil" twin? Geez.

This is more like bread loafs now.

This is the exact reason I dont like name claims. It ends up with a hell of a lot of speculation that has just as good of chance as hurting us then helping us figure stuff out.

Okay, but what about the main characters?

Has anyone seen theme games where the traditional hero character was a scum role and/or the traditional villain character was a town role?

[Dukes]

I think I'll

UnFoS: Poro

for now. Re-reading my own argument and recap:

1. Poro sounds like he got lucky, or
2. Poro is a day-cop, which is not universally a scum ability, or
3. My conspiracy theory is right.

I rank these in order of likelihood. Admittedly, I sounded more paranoid than I should've. But we'll see. In the meantime, shouldn't we work on taking out the person who is wearing a big neon sign saying "I AM SCUM"?

Confirm Vote: Xtoxm

[pacman281292]

L-1.
Is someone going to hammer/claim against the lynch?

[Xtoxm]

Wrong, L-2.

[pacman281292]

oops, misread Dukes' post

[kloud1516]

Okay, so... just to let you guys know, I've been reading a few other games here on MS.n and frankly, it amazes me how long they are. Most online games I've done last under 500 posts. Total. For 20+ players.

Then again, there's a lot of "Follow the Cop" and "Bandwagons" over there... so if my play seems uninspired or erratic at first, I apologize -- I'm just getting used to a slower game.

Not sure how to approach this quote. Sure, I understand completely that, when going from one site to another, some things are going to get lost in translation, but at the same time I can't help but feel that this may be a tactic to explain/justify actions later on. Am I certain that this is the case in this situation? No, of course not, for everyone makes mistakes their first couple games (at least I did), but I thought I should point this out.

Happy Birthday Mod.

Let's see here... since it appears everyone confirmed... hey, a vote on me already? Oh, sure, pick on the new guy!

**

I hate day starts -- a stab in the dark never helps if it can be avoided -- and would prefer a No Lynch here, to be honest. So for now, I'll sit back and wait.

*chugs a beer*

The paragraph I have starred stands out to me, as the later ideas within it are pretty bold. You would prefer a No Lynch without having even gone a page into the game? Secondly, you want to sit back and wait? What exactly do you mean by this, for it seems to be someone dropping an idea in and seeing how others respond to it before proceeding any further. No lynches should not even be an option at this point, as by page one, the game is usually still in the random voting stage, which inevitably leads into serious play based off of certain things in the very beginning of the game that come off as scummy.

In essence, town is usually not 100% sure about anything (which goes doubly in a game modded by Farside ). You say stabs in the dark won't help, but neither would a No lynch, as that gives us little to no information to go on for the next day while it gives scum a kill.

why in the world would you want a no lynch already on day one Dukes?

I never understood starting with a shot in the dark. Shouldn't we give the Cop a chance to find something instead of pulling a name out of a hat that, for all we know,

is

the Cop?

I mean, I'm willing to do a lynch for certain if we come up with ironclad evidence, but for now, screw it. All My Circuits is on.

There is plenty of information that can be acquired from day one. From comments, votes, and other opinions provided in the random voting stage, players begin discussion about who they find to be suspicious. Usually, town can then discern from responses to accusations whom they find to be scummy as well. Then there are bandwagons, which can be very informational depending on the reasoning behind them and the results they produce. All these factors would give a cop, and the rest of the town, a chance to find something of value for not only the day at hand, but for days to follow.
Okay, I am going to have to break this down into several segments, as I am in a hurry right now, but need to get something up in this game to actually contribute. I will start with early material and make my way into the present situation in the game.

I would like to start off by welcoming everyone, and putting my game face on. Here it goes:

Role hinting much?

Ya think?

Fair enough, but why Xtoxm exactly? He posted before the day started, and there are others that have yet to post or even confirm.

He already had a vote. Seemed safe. Anyway, now that I've done enough damage to this popsicle stand,

Unvote.

Not much else going on here... so I'll be back later.

So you voted him just because he seemed to be the safest route? Got it. Wouldn't want to draw attention to yourself, right?

FoS: Dukes

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Gorrads in this sexy game, didnt even notice, I did notice Xtoxm was though, hes the SK, hes always the SK. Problem solved.

vote Xtoxm

There's no way that's a coincidence.

I can only assume that Porochaz is a Mafia Day Rolecop, as town definatley wouldn't have info like that.

But I can't win without him dying and when his role is revealed my game would be over, thus I cannot win.

However, I would love for you guys to let me stay in this game and I can play as a vig, and you can lynch me once we've caught the mafia.

Please!!!

I don't want to exit this game early.

And think about it. You'll basically have a confirmed pro-town scum hunter, in a sense of speaking.

Unvote Vote Porochaz

Oh. Wow, that was sudden. When I first read Poro's post, I took it as a joke, but I am not so sure. I don't see any reason for someone to fake claim SK, as it is indeed an anti-town role, so I can only assume at this point that xtoxm's claim is viable. But why not just play it off as Poro joking and killing him at night if you are so sure? This would have avoided your exposure, at least for a little while longer. This confuses me, as this notion along with the tone of Poro's post makes feel that it was merely a jest. At the same time, that is too much of a coincidence, considering that the Mafia Day Rolecop has indeed made its appearance in Minis before.

Porochaz is also a confirmed anti-town role, and a much more dangerous one at that.

Guys, watch out for the ones trying to get me killed. I'm a vig, so the mafia are the ones who really want to get me lynched today, town doesn't.

Don't let them waste this for the town, guys.

No, you are a SK. Exposed or not, that was (and is) your role. Both a SK role and a Mafia Role Cop role are dangerous in my opinion. This being said, I would much rather lynch a possible Role Cop.

I am going to stop here, and will post more of my thoughts on the game thus far when I get back.

[Porochaz]

Lynch someone whos possibly town, and the whole rolecop thing is 100% n the basis of what the antitown player has said. Why?

[LlamaFluff]

unvote, vote xtoxm

which makes it L-1.

I wouldnt be surprised if there is one, most likely two scum in wolf/dukes/kloud who are all fairly set on listing reasons that we should be lynching poro tomorrow based on speculation of what his role and alignment that comes from his role is. I could completely see poro being a town rolecop given the setup of this game.

[Xtoxm]

Poro would be a good lynch tomorrow. Would have been today too.

Agree on Wolf.

Kloud looks good.

Goodbye cruel world.

Unvote Vote Xtoxm

[kloud1516]

Lynch someone whos possibly town, and the whole rolecop thing is 100% n the basis of what the antitown player has said. Why?

Yes: xtoxm's assumption that you are a Mafia Role Cop is plausible, but I am not basing my opinions solely off of his statements. I feel that whole situation seems to be just too much of a coincidence, and leads me to believe that you could indeed be a Role Cop. Townie Role Cop? There is always the possibility.

No: The reason I did not vote you is

because

xtoxm is indeed an anti-town role, no matter how he claimed to operate. There was nothing to back his accusations leveled against you other than speculation, and speculation alone does not supply the ample reasoning for placing a vote on someone. My comment about preferring to lynch a Mafia Role Cop over an outed Serial Killer still stands though, but since we have had no way to prove or disprove the accusations against you, I have no case to vote you on.

@LF:

I agree it is very possible, as we are dealing with the almighty Farside-mod. Anything is possible in this realm, so I will not be taking anything at face value.

[Porochaz]

Fair enough, however some homework I hope you will take on whilst we are at night. Look through the last few mini themes (ie. 10/20 or so) and find out how many of them had rolecops and whether they were mafia or town, also look at the context of the post where I made my vote. Its obviously made in jest then later on when I post the link to the thread that it is based on.

What Im trying to get through to you is how unlikely this is. It really is. Please check the past mini theme threads.

[Xtoxm]

Unlikely means nothing.

It's possible, and it's the case in this game. Your comment is not a joke and makes no sense unless you are a Mafia Rolecop.