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[Cape90]

you know what could be funny, if Korina's bad "well Cape, you are just POE" push actually came from me and them being w/w

Spoiler: Defense for why I am obv not paired with Korina

Hi, please convince me you’re not scum, because via poe, I think your slot is scum, and the rep out makes me further think that.

Hi, please convince me you’re not scum, because via poe, I think your slot is scum, and the rep out makes me further think that.

I think Cape should at least have a chance to read the thread first. I extended the same courtesy to both StrangeMatter and yourself.

I’d rather at least be up front that I think the slot is scum, so that might usher some hasty reads from scum, which can be picked up on for lies, or getting a townie to actually town in the slot

Oh and on the subject of interactions I have had with Korina, check this out

You mean bc Malcolm basically only interacted with progo?

I thought about that but isn't new scum likely to do that?

btw CSF if you want a non-emotional read

I can see you / Korina as a scumteam

but I'm stating now that I'm

never

going to explore that as a scumteam because again, that means Andante is opentrolling as an SE, LQ tr'ed you wrong as an SE, SM is just memeing the entire game, Progo has the worst analysis possible, and Malcolm is just pure afk other than voting me

anyways after rereading Malcolm I do think I want to pursue Korina / Progo; the issue with that is idt Andante was the best lim D1 over me

Why is it that the SEs cannot have incorrect reads? I have more experience than the newbies in this game, and probably one or two of the SEs, but that doesn't make me literally perfect at the game.

and yet you say this

and the rep out makes me further think that.

Sit down

These two statements are not contradictory from my POV. They might be from yours, but they are not from mine.
If that’s not what you’re pointing out, I have no idea what the fuck the point of saying thisbis

Malcom's POV in shambles.

I think Cape has read the game? Unless you think he dropped a scumcase on like the first ISO he didn't like

nope. I literally have 0 thoughts on Malcolm/Progo/Pale Ale Dog

as far as Korina, not sure, I kinda have the feeling they are town but also I know Pale said things

Normally, I get called scum when people read me. Why do you think I’m town?

Additionally, a portion of Cape’s catchup is related to PAD, our predecessor, so we have no interest in interacting with those posts, since what PAD said is of no relevance to what we are doing.

Oh Oh and get this.

I think anyone who is TRing us is by default suspicious for two reasons:
1) We have not read the game.
2) We look scummy by default when playing, so anyone TRing us tends to be informed.

We are not out of our scumrange, since our townrange and scumrange are more or less the same.

This isn't a case LMAO.
Look if I was mafia you would be a pretty easy push if you are town it ain't that deep champ.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ionship%29
Refer to this game where as town I defend this other town Illwei who really was doing themselves less favors in getting in town's good graces while I was pretty much defending the slot the whole game and boom, they ended up being town.

when in every game i've played on this account for the most part - i have been scumread for simply playing the game, it really makes anyone who trs us stand out, and leads me to believe they are indeed scum trying to pocket.
i agree, i'd be an easy push if you were scum,

but i also think id' be an even easier pocket

if you were scum

like LMAO

because if cape flips town here it means someone in those four is deepwolfing and i *really* can’t be bothered to try to sort which one is deepwolfing because god finding someone deepwolfing is super hard

Anyway, that's quite enough of that. There is a POE of 4 people right now and I really am not quite sure who it could be, it really could just be Malcolm since 1222 has a sickening amount of certainty that would actually make this game auto if true and I find it a bit jumping the gun FMPOV.

[Cape90]

you know what could be funny, if Korina's bad "well Cape, you are just POE" push actually came from me and them being w/w

Spoiler: Defense for why I am obv not paired with Korina

Hi, please convince me you’re not scum, because via poe, I think your slot is scum, and the rep out makes me further think that.

Hi, please convince me you’re not scum, because via poe, I think your slot is scum, and the rep out makes me further think that.

I think Cape should at least have a chance to read the thread first. I extended the same courtesy to both StrangeMatter and yourself.

I’d rather at least be up front that I think the slot is scum, so that might usher some hasty reads from scum, which can be picked up on for lies, or getting a townie to actually town in the slot

Oh and on the subject of interactions I have had with Korina, check this out

You mean bc Malcolm basically only interacted with progo?

I thought about that but isn't new scum likely to do that?

btw CSF if you want a non-emotional read

I can see you / Korina as a scumteam

but I'm stating now that I'm

never

going to explore that as a scumteam because again, that means Andante is opentrolling as an SE, LQ tr'ed you wrong as an SE, SM is just memeing the entire game, Progo has the worst analysis possible, and Malcolm is just pure afk other than voting me

anyways after rereading Malcolm I do think I want to pursue Korina / Progo; the issue with that is idt Andante was the best lim D1 over me

Why is it that the SEs cannot have incorrect reads? I have more experience than the newbies in this game, and probably one or two of the SEs, but that doesn't make me literally perfect at the game.

and yet you say this

and the rep out makes me further think that.

Sit down

These two statements are not contradictory from my POV. They might be from yours, but they are not from mine.
If that’s not what you’re pointing out, I have no idea what the fuck the point of saying thisbis

Malcom's POV in shambles.

I think Cape has read the game? Unless you think he dropped a scumcase on like the first ISO he didn't like

nope. I literally have 0 thoughts on Malcolm/Progo/Pale Ale Dog

as far as Korina, not sure, I kinda have the feeling they are town but also I know Pale said things

Normally, I get called scum when people read me. Why do you think I’m town?

Additionally, a portion of Cape’s catchup is related to PAD, our predecessor, so we have no interest in interacting with those posts, since what PAD said is of no relevance to what we are doing.

Oh Oh and get this.

I think anyone who is TRing us is by default suspicious for two reasons:
1) We have not read the game.
2) We look scummy by default when playing, so anyone TRing us tends to be informed.

We are not out of our scumrange, since our townrange and scumrange are more or less the same.

This isn't a case LMAO.
Look if I was mafia you would be a pretty easy push if you are town it ain't that deep champ.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ionship%29
Refer to this game where as town I defend this other town Illwei who really was doing themselves less favors in getting in town's good graces while I was pretty much defending the slot the whole game and boom, they ended up being town.

when in every game i've played on this account for the most part - i have been scumread for simply playing the game, it really makes anyone who trs us stand out, and leads me to believe they are indeed scum trying to pocket.
i agree, i'd be an easy push if you were scum,

but i also think id' be an even easier pocket

if you were scum

like LMAO

because if cape flips town here it means someone in those four is deepwolfing and i *really* can’t be bothered to try to sort which one is deepwolfing because god finding someone deepwolfing is super hard

Anyway, that's quite enough of that. There is a POE of 4 people right now and I really am not quite sure who it could be, it really could just be Malcolm since 1222 has a sickening amount of certainty that would actually make this game auto if true and I find it a bit jumping the gun FMPOV.

RE: 1222
Cape what? Slow down

If you're going on my theory that we have one mafia who went on first vote bandwagon and another who stayed off

, that'd leave Korina in a team with either myself or Cape

Read the first part, Malcolm isn't saying that the team

has

to be me or him

[fferyllt]

Due to ongoing legibility issues, I request that going forward, players not use color tags in their posts in this game, unless they first check the legibility on all of the MS templates.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 3-2

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Not Voting

(5): Somnus, MalcolmTucker, Cape90, ProgoWoshua, Ahri

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: February 8, Noon US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-02-08 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Ahri]

VOTE: ProgoWoshua

go next

[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: ProgoWoshua

go next

What's with the certainty on Progo? Possible candidate but not nailed down.

[ProgoWoshua]

VOTE: ProgoWoshua

go next

Why me?

[Ahri]

VOTE: ProgoWoshua

go next

Why me?

bc ur maf

and im in too many games so this one needs to finish so I can play more

[Ahri]

you know what could be funny, if Korina's bad "well Cape, you are just POE" push actually came from me and them being w/w

Spoiler: Defense for why I am obv not paired with Korina

Hi, please convince me you’re not scum, because via poe, I think your slot is scum, and the rep out makes me further think that.

Hi, please convince me you’re not scum, because via poe, I think your slot is scum, and the rep out makes me further think that.

I think Cape should at least have a chance to read the thread first. I extended the same courtesy to both StrangeMatter and yourself.

I’d rather at least be up front that I think the slot is scum, so that might usher some hasty reads from scum, which can be picked up on for lies, or getting a townie to actually town in the slot

Oh and on the subject of interactions I have had with Korina, check this out

You mean bc Malcolm basically only interacted with progo?

I thought about that but isn't new scum likely to do that?

btw CSF if you want a non-emotional read

I can see you / Korina as a scumteam

but I'm stating now that I'm

never

going to explore that as a scumteam because again, that means Andante is opentrolling as an SE, LQ tr'ed you wrong as an SE, SM is just memeing the entire game, Progo has the worst analysis possible, and Malcolm is just pure afk other than voting me

anyways after rereading Malcolm I do think I want to pursue Korina / Progo; the issue with that is idt Andante was the best lim D1 over me

Why is it that the SEs cannot have incorrect reads? I have more experience than the newbies in this game, and probably one or two of the SEs, but that doesn't make me literally perfect at the game.

and yet you say this

and the rep out makes me further think that.

Sit down

These two statements are not contradictory from my POV. They might be from yours, but they are not from mine.
If that’s not what you’re pointing out, I have no idea what the fuck the point of saying thisbis

Malcom's POV in shambles.

I think Cape has read the game? Unless you think he dropped a scumcase on like the first ISO he didn't like

nope. I literally have 0 thoughts on Malcolm/Progo/Pale Ale Dog

as far as Korina, not sure, I kinda have the feeling they are town but also I know Pale said things

Normally, I get called scum when people read me. Why do you think I’m town?

Additionally, a portion of Cape’s catchup is related to PAD, our predecessor, so we have no interest in interacting with those posts, since what PAD said is of no relevance to what we are doing.

Oh Oh and get this.

I think anyone who is TRing us is by default suspicious for two reasons:
1) We have not read the game.
2) We look scummy by default when playing, so anyone TRing us tends to be informed.

We are not out of our scumrange, since our townrange and scumrange are more or less the same.

This isn't a case LMAO.
Look if I was mafia you would be a pretty easy push if you are town it ain't that deep champ.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ionship%29
Refer to this game where as town I defend this other town Illwei who really was doing themselves less favors in getting in town's good graces while I was pretty much defending the slot the whole game and boom, they ended up being town.

when in every game i've played on this account for the most part - i have been scumread for simply playing the game, it really makes anyone who trs us stand out, and leads me to believe they are indeed scum trying to pocket.
i agree, i'd be an easy push if you were scum,

but i also think id' be an even easier pocket

if you were scum

like LMAO

because if cape flips town here it means someone in those four is deepwolfing and i *really* can’t be bothered to try to sort which one is deepwolfing because god finding someone deepwolfing is super hard

Anyway, that's quite enough of that. There is a POE of 4 people right now and I really am not quite sure who it could be, it really could just be Malcolm since 1222 has a sickening amount of certainty that would actually make this game auto if true and I find it a bit jumping the gun FMPOV.

Poe of 4

when im openly spewed town and somnus is consensus town

good one

[ProgoWoshua]

VOTE: ProgoWoshua

go next

Why me?

bc ur maf

and im in too many games so this one needs to finish so I can play more

Why do you think I'm mafia?

And voting me now will only extend this game for another day, sorry.

[Cape90]

you know what could be funny, if Korina's bad "well Cape, you are just POE" push actually came from me and them being w/w

Spoiler: Defense for why I am obv not paired with Korina

Hi, please convince me you’re not scum, because via poe, I think your slot is scum, and the rep out makes me further think that.

Hi, please convince me you’re not scum, because via poe, I think your slot is scum, and the rep out makes me further think that.

I think Cape should at least have a chance to read the thread first. I extended the same courtesy to both StrangeMatter and yourself.

I’d rather at least be up front that I think the slot is scum, so that might usher some hasty reads from scum, which can be picked up on for lies, or getting a townie to actually town in the slot

Oh and on the subject of interactions I have had with Korina, check this out

You mean bc Malcolm basically only interacted with progo?

I thought about that but isn't new scum likely to do that?

btw CSF if you want a non-emotional read

I can see you / Korina as a scumteam

but I'm stating now that I'm

never

going to explore that as a scumteam because again, that means Andante is opentrolling as an SE, LQ tr'ed you wrong as an SE, SM is just memeing the entire game, Progo has the worst analysis possible, and Malcolm is just pure afk other than voting me

anyways after rereading Malcolm I do think I want to pursue Korina / Progo; the issue with that is idt Andante was the best lim D1 over me

Why is it that the SEs cannot have incorrect reads? I have more experience than the newbies in this game, and probably one or two of the SEs, but that doesn't make me literally perfect at the game.

and yet you say this

and the rep out makes me further think that.

Sit down

These two statements are not contradictory from my POV. They might be from yours, but they are not from mine.
If that’s not what you’re pointing out, I have no idea what the fuck the point of saying thisbis

Malcom's POV in shambles.

I think Cape has read the game? Unless you think he dropped a scumcase on like the first ISO he didn't like

nope. I literally have 0 thoughts on Malcolm/Progo/Pale Ale Dog

as far as Korina, not sure, I kinda have the feeling they are town but also I know Pale said things

Normally, I get called scum when people read me. Why do you think I’m town?

Additionally, a portion of Cape’s catchup is related to PAD, our predecessor, so we have no interest in interacting with those posts, since what PAD said is of no relevance to what we are doing.

Oh Oh and get this.

I think anyone who is TRing us is by default suspicious for two reasons:
1) We have not read the game.
2) We look scummy by default when playing, so anyone TRing us tends to be informed.

We are not out of our scumrange, since our townrange and scumrange are more or less the same.

This isn't a case LMAO.
Look if I was mafia you would be a pretty easy push if you are town it ain't that deep champ.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ionship%29
Refer to this game where as town I defend this other town Illwei who really was doing themselves less favors in getting in town's good graces while I was pretty much defending the slot the whole game and boom, they ended up being town.

when in every game i've played on this account for the most part - i have been scumread for simply playing the game, it really makes anyone who trs us stand out, and leads me to believe they are indeed scum trying to pocket.
i agree, i'd be an easy push if you were scum,

but i also think id' be an even easier pocket

if you were scum

like LMAO

because if cape flips town here it means someone in those four is deepwolfing and i *really* can’t be bothered to try to sort which one is deepwolfing because god finding someone deepwolfing is super hard

Anyway, that's quite enough of that. There is a POE of 4 people right now and I really am not quite sure who it could be, it really could just be Malcolm since 1222 has a sickening amount of certainty that would actually make this game auto if true and I find it a bit jumping the gun FMPOV.

Poe of 4

when im openly spewed town and somnus is consensus town

good one

I'm not going to discount any of you LMAO

[Somnus]

VOTE: ProgoWoshua

go next

Why me?

bc ur maf

and im in too many games so this one needs to finish so I can play more

I know you've more or less checked out of this game, unfortunately, but I'm hoping you can at least provide details on your stance here.

[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: ProgoWoshua

go next

Why me?

bc ur maf

and im in too many games so this one needs to finish so I can play more

I know you've more or less checked out of this game, unfortunately, but I'm hoping you can at least provide details on your stance here.

Getting the impression Ahri has basically stopped playing and doesn't have a proper stance, just picking Progo because why not. Complicates things for the town a bit.

[Cape90]

VOTE: ProgoWoshua

go next

Why me?

bc ur maf

and im in too many games so this one needs to finish so I can play more

I know you've more or less checked out of this game, unfortunately, but I'm hoping you can at least provide details on your stance here.

Getting the impression Ahri has basically stopped playing and doesn't have a proper stance, just picking Progo because why not. Complicates things for the town a bit.

Either way, Progo

should

do something more today then what they have done

[ProgoWoshua]

VOTE: ProgoWoshua

go next

Why me?

bc ur maf

and im in too many games so this one needs to finish so I can play more

I know you've more or less checked out of this game, unfortunately, but I'm hoping you can at least provide details on your stance here.

Getting the impression Ahri has basically stopped playing and doesn't have a proper stance, just picking Progo because why not. Complicates things for the town a bit.

Either way, Progo

should

do something more today then what they have done

You're right, I should do something.

How about this?

VOTE: ProgoWoshua, I'm in E-1 now.

[Cape90]

uh

[Cape90]

that's not what i meant

[Cape90]

who is the last mafia progo?

[ProgoWoshua]

who is the last mafia progo?

Me. I'm the most suspicious person here.

I mean, I barely had any meaningful interactions with Korina's slot, which is what I expect from a newbie scum.

After that, I voted for Korina when they were being suspected more than me. This looks like clear cut bussing, don't you think?

After reading everyone's ISOs, I decided that I'm the most likely scum partner for Korina.

[ProgoWoshua]

Okay, I can't do this.

UNVOTE: ProgoWoshua

I wanted to make a crazy play to draw a careless hammer. But keeping up the facade for two posts was genuinely painful.

In all honest tho, today's vote should be between me and Ahri. If we're both alive at ELo, she's voting me for sure.

VOTE: Ahri

If the game continues after that, I'm leaning towards scum Malcolm, but I'll probably reassess depending on who votes who and who gets night killed.

[Somnus]

What in the hell did I just read?

[Somnus]

Ok. For starters...can people stop proposing these ridiculous 1v1 gladiator battles? This is a team game. If I agreed to this nonsense, which I don't, you'd easily get my vote right now, Progo, just based on today.

Ahri has been convinced you scum-slipped on Day One. I'm not, but it's something that has loomed over your head since post 436. Lickety planned on tunneling you hard Day 2 and he ends up dead Night One. Ok, there's a lot of reasons he could have been the night kill though. They certainly don't all involve you. He also wanted to push hard on Malcolm and Korina after you.

I hate that Ahri has basically given up on this game since early in Day 2. I really wish I read her as scum because it would be a pretty easy vote on Day 3. Unless she set up a bussing situation with Korina starting late Day 1 and then decided to coast to a quiet victory the rest of the way, I don't think she's scum. If we see a Day 4 and she and I are both somehow still around, I'll reassess my stance here, as I've done at the start of both Day 2 and Day 3.

With that said...no one should EVER read someone voting for themselves and then open-claiming mafia as pro-town. And then you changed your mind roughly an hour later (regret for throwing the game?). I hated when Ahri self-voted on Day 1 and thought it was a bad play, but I at least understood the situation she was setting up. I disagreed with it, and still do, but I at least understood her reasoning. Anyone who sees that play that you made here and says, "Wow! Such town!" will look arguably scummier than you.

This isn't personal. I like you as a person and you seem like a good dude. I don't know how you survive Day 3 with those posts though. And I say that for a few reasons. We went into Day 3 with two shots to lim the remaining scum. Despite not having any power roles left, that's not too bad. Let's say you somehow now survive Day 3 and we do in fact end up in a Day 4. Out of myself, Malcolm, Ahri, and Cape, 2 of those 4 are going to be in a vote with you still around and the insanity/open-mafia claim you just did is going to weigh in on the decision, rather than looking at everything else.

Here's the Outcomes I see:

1. If you're scum and you did this, I feel bad for Korina, and it's going to feel somewhat hollow if this is how we win. I'd still take it, but it'll feel kind of cheap.

2. You're town, and you go into a 2:1 on Day 4 (what mafia in their right mind is going to night kill you now?) with what you just did weighing heavily on the decision and potentially costing town the game.

3. You're scum and somehow coast to an easy scum victory now because people were insane enough to read what you pulled here and go, "Wow! What a townie move! Definitely not scum!". This one seems the least likely, as I doubt anyone is giving you townie points for any of this.

4. You're town and get voted off Day 3 for putting yourself at E-1 and open-claiming mafia after someone put a single vote on you with their entire argument literally being, "bc ur maf".


All four scenarios suck, with the first one sucking the least. In addition to all of that, with this post:

"I just picked one at random. But if you insists" (1145), I'd be concerned with you casting the game-deciding vote if we see a Day 4.

If you're scum, Korina is likely going to have a bone to pick with you post-game. If you're town and you helped give the game to scum by doing this, myself and 5 other people are going to have a bone to pick with you post-game. Even if you somehow flip town, I can't say I would have blamed Cape for quick-hammering you there. Same goes to Malcolm if he had been around during that. If ever there was a reason to quick-hammer someone, I'd say open-claiming mafia is right up there near the top of the list.

Again, you seem like a good dude and regardless of your alignment, I hope this isn't you basically quitting the game and mafia in general and then having regrets shortly thereafter. But to me, for all of the reasons I just outlined, I don't see how you can survive Day 3 here.

I'd like Ahri, Cape, and Malcolm to weigh in before I vote.

[Ahri]

Okay, I can't do this.

UNVOTE: ProgoWoshua

I wanted to make a crazy play to draw a careless hammer. But keeping up the facade for two posts was genuinely painful.

In all honest tho, today's vote should be between me and Ahri. If we're both alive at ELo, she's voting me for sure.

VOTE: Ahri

If the game continues after that, I'm leaning towards scum Malcolm, but I'll probably reassess depending on who votes who and who gets night killed.

so instead of finding mafia

you'd rather just OMGUS

xD

tbf the original reason I voted you was because I cleared Somnus and I wanted a Cape / Ahri / Malcolm endgame more than any other two players - feels like higher winrate

but after rereading SM and Cape I really dislike them being w/w with Korina

and Somnus / Cape are good enough to see that my interactions with Korina are never w/w

so idm limming you two b2b and idrc which one goes first

[fferyllt]

et

[fferyllt]

allez