Mini 659: The Neighborhood- Game over on Day 6

[gorckat]

Vote Count

(5 to lynch)

No Lynch (2):

bionic, Tony

Ythill:

crywolf

crywolf:

Ythill

bionic:

fhqwhgads

Tony:

Rashiminos

Not voting (2):

Elias, Dead Rikimaru

[Ythill]

Okay, I've waited long enough for DR. I believe it's safe to assume that he knew we were @ MYLO and saw the vote count. Here's the evidence I mentioned...

Note how long I was @ L-3 and that everyone posted while I was. Assuming three scum, that means that at least one of the following people is mafia: myself, Rash, or wolf. Include DR in that pool if you do not believe he had time to realize the relevent details, but I think he did.

From my point of view, this is more good evidence against wolf because I know my alignment and I don't suspect Rash very much at all. C'mon people... this is like pulling teeth.

Let's hang wolf-scum.

[Elias_the_thief]

Not taking advantage of L-3 isnt really that daming. If it was lynch -2 or 1 its more worthy of a second look, but 3 isnt really that easy to accomplish and isnt as strong a tell in my opinion.

[TonyMontana]

Depending on whether certain roles are fake, there is certainly potential for us to be worse off. Imagine a situation where both DR and Tony are scum, or where both Tony and wolf are. I don't know if these are likely but they're certainly possible.

So far we have a Neighbor, and three claimed powerroles, Watcher, Tracker, Doc. Assuming there's not pro-town roles still hiding as Vanilla, do you think Neighbour/Doc/oneshot vig, or Neighbour/Watcher/Oneshot vig, are fair startpoints for the town? Seems weak.

I would assume that at least one of Wolf and Oman are telling the truth.

[crywolf20084]

I would assume that at least one of Wolf and Oman are telling the truth.

What happens if you lynch me, and find out I'm telling the truth? What would that do to your claim with your logic?

unvote/Vote: TonyMontana

If Oman's claim is false, well DR's claim is false, what would happen to you? Tracker is something I've never seen without the Watcher.

[crywolf20084]

Add-on: I repeat again, I'm very curious to see what DR says about Oman's claim, and if he changes it or not.

[Elias_the_thief]

Its highly possible that only one of tony/wolf/oman are lying, but oman and wolf are both scummy in my eyes...

[TonyMontana]

What happens if you lynch me, and find out I'm telling the truth? What would that do to your claim with your logic?

unvote/Vote: TonyMontana

Err.. I'm not voting you, so why not ease off on the snap-back. Giving you the benefit of the doubt is the reason I am, at the moment, supporting a nolynch.

And if you were mislynched, my logic would then of course lead me to be more suspicious of Oman, I don't see where my claim falls into the picture.

[crywolf20084]

I was just reverting my vote back to you. I really don't believe your claim, and I don't believe Oman's. But i'm not going to vote DR until he's posted with some thoughts.

[TonyMontana]

If Oman's claim is false, well DR's claim is false, what would happen to you? Tracker is something I've never seen without the Watcher.

Then maybe you should play some more games. Tracker is a completely indepedant role. You know what I have never seen? Miller without a cop.

[Ythill]

Not taking advantage of L-3 isnt really that daming. ...3 isnt really that easy to accomplish and isnt as strong a tell in my opinion.

We're not talking about accomplishing, we're talking about attempting. Would two townies voting a townie for that many days be ignored entirely by scum when it could give them the win? I guess maybe, but it doesn't sound likely to me.

@ wolf & Tony: What's with the ancedotes, you two? I've only seen a tracker without a watcher. So what? It means nothing.

[TonyMontana]

@ wolf & Tony: What's with the ancedotes, you two? I've only seen a tracker without a watcher. So what? It means nothing.

Wolf was the one proposing that you can't have a tracker without a watcher. I simply said this was nonsense.

[fhqwhgads]

This is falling apart.

From 'structured' plans to just going everywhere. We should probably try to get a majority decision. Deadline is coming closer. Of course, it seems there are quite a few people that won't mind if we reach a decision by deadline.

Btw, Ythill, I think your argument has merit, but calling it 'evidence' is a stretch.

[gorckat]

Vote Count

(5 to lynch)

No Lynch (2):

bionic, Tony

Tony(2):

Rashiminos, crywolf

crywolf:

Ythill

bionic:

fhqwhgads

Not voting (2):

Elias, Dead Rikimaru

[Dead Rikimaru]

I wass under a terrible connection problems on the last few days.
Taking care of my mod responsibilities now and will work on this game soon.

[Ythill]

I simply said this was nonsense.

Fair enough. I wasn't sure that was what you meant.

Btw, Ythill, I think your argument has merit, but calling it 'evidence' is a stretch.

The difference between evidence and an argument with merit is entirely semantic. Call it whatever you want.

[bionicchop2]

Ythill - I actually like your recent 'case' (if we want to call it that) for one person voting you as scum (because I have been in a similar situation where I used the ability to end game to reach a conclusion on who scum was). There is always a chance of scum worried to jump too quickly. There is also the obvious fact none of us know if you are town or scum (unless you are scum, then 2 people know). I think if I knew you were town, I would follow you in this argument, because scum always find a way to make it happen when the game can be won with a quick bandwagon.

I guess I am saying you make a good point from your perspective, but it can't really be agreed upon by anybody else without being certain of your alignment.

[Ythill]

Well then be certain to remember it if I die.

[crywolf20084]

Mmmm.... *Waits for DR's report semi-patiently*

[fhqwhgads]

The difference between evidence and an argument with merit is entirely semantic. Call it whatever you want.

No. Evidence is irrefutable. If you gave me evidence, I had no choice but to say: "Oh, dang. I guess you are right. This means we all must vote crywolf now."

An 'argument with merit' might be compelling, but definitely not irrefutable.

[Ythill]

Main Entry: 1ev·i·dence
Pronunciation: \ˈe-və-dən(t)s, -və-ˌden(t)s\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 a:

an outward sign : indication

b: something that furnishes proof : testimony ; specifically :

something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter

ev·i·dence (v-dns)
n.
1.

A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment

: The broken window was evidence that a burglary had taken place.

Scientists weigh the evidence for and against a hypothesis.

2.

Something indicative; an outward sign: evidence of grief on a mourner's face.

3. Law The documentary or

oral statements and the material objects admissible as testimony in a court of law.

Don't argue semantics with me, you'll lose. I know what I meant.

[fhqwhgads]

Don't argue semantics with me, you'll lose. I know what I meant.

Initially, I didn't. Now I do.

[Ythill]

Well, yeah, I got that and I'm sorry to have incidentally mislead you, but it was semantic, not intentional.

Like I said, we can call it whatever you want.

[gorckat]

Vote Count

(5 to lynch)

No Lynch (2):

bionic, Tony

Tony(2):

Rashiminos, crywolf

crywolf:

Ythill

bionic:

fhqwhgads

Not voting (2):

Elias, Dead Rikimaru

[crywolf20084]

Okay, DR this is getting a little obnoxious. I was happy with my vote until this long delay has happened.