Micro 1042: Meme Wars | Fin!
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fferyllt Titan of Trajectory
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JOAT, with 1-shot each of (Checker, Cop, Jailkeeper)
N1 - Cop Dwlee - No result.
I softed my intention to do so on D1:
In post 495, Val89 wrote:I don't really want to do Dwlee today. I'm certainly not townreading there, but out of all the slots on my radar, that's the one where I can see potential for town who just isn't engaging, and, particulary as it seems Esooa's last posting seemed to suggest she was advocating for some sort of policy lim rather than being sure they were scum, it's a slot I would want to leave for now.I am confident the mystery of their alignment isn't going to remain hazy forever.N2 - Jailkeep MegA
I didn't receive a result indicating as such, but this obviously failed as well as Meg claims a result on Dwlee.
N3- Check StD
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I am not experianced enough to deduce why this is true, this is my first time running into "Novice" roles as well, but it will be interesting to see how StD explains how I was 'clever trying to crumb a role I don't have', when that role also happened to fit into the same setup as MegA's claim, before MegA ever claimed.In post 965, Dwlee99 wrote:I will admit your role and meg's appear designed for the same setup-
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Save The Dragons He/HimProtection unnecessaryHe/Him
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i don't even understand thisIn post 990, Val89 wrote:I want to say that there is no hard feelings, and I understand you are just playing to wincon; but it's hard not to dislike you right now.
we've barely interacted all game, i haven't done anything to make him dislike me (you will know).
it just seems like a canned response to open the day with-
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In post 957, Val89 wrote:If the question is "Why won't I be the one casting the deciding vote", Dwlee;
In post 952, Esooa wrote:
I would actually kill Val
I see that, and I know exactly who I would be taking into an ELO in StDs shoes, here.
That. It was that.In post 988, fferyllt wrote:Dwlee99 was a Vanilla Townie
I understand that was always the kill, but still.-
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Val89 HeMafia ScumHe
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That assumes that the RB claim is legit. We know for a fact at least the "1-shot" part of is fake, because I've been blocked every night.In post 1003, Esooa wrote:I don't really know why wolves would have a roleblocker as well as a jailkeeper for their two PR's with no village KP, as that just seems like functionally have 2 separate role blockers. That's my biggest hangup with the existence of Val's claim
I think it was a fake claim, made because of the existence of the a mafia JK, and it was made before we knew Pooky was a JK, so it didn't raise too much suspicion at the time. I think StD is a mafia backup, which is why they were happy to both claim early, and have the distancing interactions they do with Three, knowing they inherit the power if it goes wrong and turns into a bus, both things StD said meant they "couldn't" be scum.
You will see from my ISO that I always had suspicions about StDs claim for the fact it seemed odd to exist alongside my role. Then Pav claimed 2-shot rolecop, and I thought the existence of all 3 of us was extremely unlikley. I thought it was more likley that Pav was fake claiming, and had tailored that claim to fit with StD, and so I was more concerned with Pav than I was StD following that claim. That was reflected in my reads.
I think your point would be a good one, if we were looking at a Mafia JK + Mafia 1-shot RBer. But that isn't what we are dealing with, and that is proven by my results. The most likley setup is probably Mafia JK + Mafia backup. There may well be other possibilities, but thats the obvious one that fits with the fake-claim, StDs play, and with my results.-
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I think they have 2 JKs, just not at the same time - StD was a backup to Pookies. There might be other modifiers in the effect that just haven't come into play, who knows?
I also have a JK shot, and I think the idea was that blocks were supposed to be in abundance; and we wouldn't know when someone was jailkept if that was coming from town or scum (the JK being the one mech where the target could be targetted because they were scummy, as a pseduo-invest, or townie, because it's protection, and so you couldn't draw an inference from the target) - and both town and mafia having access to them.
The combination of Pavs role and my checker/cop shots was supposed to help sort between the two, but we would be under a lot of time pressure to do so - and this perfectly explains everything that was said about this in pre-game: all the rolesarenormal, and the interactions fairly simple, but it's swingy.-
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Save The Dragons He/HimProtection unnecessaryHe/Him
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keep in mind val could be anything.
Mafia power is JK + ????
Town power is
Novice Tracker
1-shot RB
2-shot Role Cop
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I'll refer you to 1002.
StD; obviously I understand are you alledging that I am mafia, but are you claiming that Mafia power is JK + 3 -shot JOAT, then; or that it is JK + me being "anything", but what I claimed (and crumbed D1) just happened to mesh perfectly with MegAs claim, before MegA actually claimed? I think it's fairly obvious you are talking rubbish either way.
Mafia power is JK + Backup (probably). It's something that gives Mafia at 3-shot RB'ing power at least, and backup does that and is pretty common in normals.
Against:
2-shop Role Cop
Novice Tracker
3-Shot JOAT with Cop/Checker/JK.
Like I said before, the fact that both Town and Mafia have access to (although limited to one shot on the town side) Jails, and that town have Role-cop and checker shots to deduce which while giving scum space to move make sense as a setup design; and you have to ask yourself at this point, which makes more sense - we have a setup design that makes sense, that has been confirmed as making sense by someone who has already flipped town, or whatever it is StD is trying to sell with mafia possibily having anything by way of PRs and that somehow still works as a setup.-
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if i don't get points for claiming D1 why do you get points for crumbing D1-
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I don't know, but Dwlee said it does, and Dwlee is confirmed town, so there is no reason to suspect they would say so if it wasn't true. It's part of the game that one of us is lying and thus everything we say is suspect, but there is no reason not to accept the word of confirmed town on matters of if a setup makes sense or not independant of reads.
You don't get points for fake claiming D1 at a time your slot was at E-1, or mistakenly beleived to be E-1, and particulary when that claim happens to work very well as a fake scumclaim with a mafia JK on the board, particulary if your real role is mafia backup.
I do get points for crumbing D1 because the alternative I think you are trying to get at - that I did so as scum, and also happened to fake-crumb a role that fits the setup before we knew what the setup was is...well, pretty out there, to put it mildly.-
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fferyllt Titan of Trajectory
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Save The Dragons was aTown 1-Shot Role Blocker.
The Mafia Team ofPookyTheMagicalBearandVal89Have Won!-
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fferyllt Titan of Trajectory
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Thanks so much for playing!
I'll release the PTs shortly...
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rip, guess I'm bad
I voted STD for seemingly being fine going anywhere day 2 after Three died, for Pav dying over them, for Dwlee dying over me, and for STD having only substantially cased one person which was a wolf and not casing people after the fact
Had Val more wolfy on play tbh but I just wanted to go with NKA-
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gj val thx for carrying
thx for modding Ffery/LukeShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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fferyllt Titan of Trajectory
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The Setup
2-shot Rolecop
Novice Tracker
1-shot Roleblocker
4 VT
Mafia Jailkeeper
Mafia Ascetic
Role PMs
Spoiler: Mafia
Spoiler: Town
Night Actions
Night 1:
Pavowski - rolecops Esooa
Save The Dragons - roleblocksbugsprayEsooa
Megazumerill - Novice, no action
Val89 - Kill Prism
Night 2:
Pavowski - rolecops Dwlee99
Megazumerill - Tracks Dwlee99
Val89 - kills Pavowski
Night 3:
Val89 kills Dwlee99Last edited by fferyllt on Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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