It kinda felt like as soon as one person was suspected/voted, everyone else felt forced to agree/jump on or they're 'paired' 'deflecting' or 'distracting. Left no room for town to defend town.
there are a few stars that would have to align for both me and TTTT to be in the final 3
, if that's where this game gets to, but I assure you I will be taking a good, hard critical look at both remaining slots in that case, whomever they are.
I'm not even resolved that I'll automatically be advocating for your lim tomorrow either even if furtive is flipped today rather than tomorrow - I have my suspicion, and it's a strong one, but it's a suspicion all the same, not a guilty, and I'm not infallible. Night play is a thing.
In retrospect, this is a bold but very funny troll of us townies.
You're encouraged to keep playing newbies as long as you like, of course, but I humbly suggest trying out some of the other queues, if you're feeling brave and would like to check out other game styles and sizes!
Pulling a newbie friendly guide to the various queues (stolen from fferyllt ), with easy links to sign up for a new game!
In post 823, MalcolmTucker wrote:I think what swayed me was a lot of my TT evidence felt circumstantial and at times disconnected. Whereas my Eyes evidence felt like it lined up better re the forced role reveal and later counter-claim.
this is exactly what I was going to point to next
what exactly is your TTTT scum case?
a bunch of weird posts and an ugly avatar?
look at the actual motivations behind the actions
something like that
I really lucked out with the timing of Val's entry and then Eye's reveal of the soft
I didn't think I had a chance until I saw that Christmas gift all wrapped up for me
In post 825, Lukewarm wrote:My true nightmare would have been for you to night kill Eyes, and then I had to sort between the two of you. omg.
What I found hilarious was that so much of my case for TT could have applied to myself. Good thing initially Eyes made their vote for TT clear on final turn or things could have been even more confusing.
In post 823, MalcolmTucker wrote:I think what swayed me was a lot of my TT evidence felt circumstantial and at times disconnected. Whereas my Eyes evidence felt like it lined up better re the forced role reveal and later counter-claim.
this is exactly what I was going to point to next
what exactly is your TTTT scum case?
a bunch of weird posts and an ugly avatar?
look at the actual motivations behind the actions
something like that
I really lucked out with the timing of Val's entry and then Eye's reveal of the soft
I didn't think I had a chance until I saw that Christmas gift all wrapped up for me
There were a few things I pointed to.
I dunno if it was your motivation, but Val claiming right after Luke suspected you for perhaps the first time was suspect to me. Although if you don't agree it was a much easier defence.
For a player who had been on top of everything on turn one, I found your sudden move from TR to SR of Furtive very convenient and simplistic. But again...Eyes looked guiltier on this count to me.
Also, just between you and Val in general, there was minimal interaction in general. Like obviously mafia can interact more to fool townies but it's risky with any slip-ups. Trying to fly under the radar can be a good approach. You didn't particularly put much heat onto each other aside from occasional small prods that never really went anywhere. Like I say, the reveal to counter-claim was the only thing that swayed me to Eyes. Without that I'd have voted for you.
Malcolm
I wrote about this in the Scum PT but it bears repeating here:
be careful thinking stuff like "scum would never say this" or "this is too obvious to be scum"
scum will do anything
Pedit: yeah Val and I had like ZERO interactions outside the scum chat
that was not intended it was just his VLA and mine kind of happened that way
In post 833, MalcolmTucker wrote:I dunno if it was your motivation, but Val claiming right after Luke suspected you for perhaps the first time was suspect to me.
I can't speak for Val, but as far as I know it wasn't planned
being suspected is part of the game
I was being honest when I said it didn't feel like heat
I've played 16 Newbie games and never been miselim'd
In post 838, furtiveglance wrote:I didn't mean to soft I just didn't want to get quickhammered like ofmercia
In retrospect the role reveal without revealing the actual role would have been better as Eyes suggested, but can see why you went full-on to ensure you were safe.
In post 839, MalcolmTucker wrote:In retrospect Eyes had a really solid town game, called you and spotted Furtive's claim. Great counter-claim from Val.
you guys got fucked by ofmercia
not just the unnecessary death
but you learned nothing from it
btw every gameday ended way too soon
It seemed like no one had considered that mafia would counter claim a tracker in a setup with a protector, and because everyone unanimously voted me it meant we couldn't read into the vote at all.
In post 839, MalcolmTucker wrote:In retrospect Eyes had a really solid town game, called you and spotted Furtive's claim. Great counter-claim from Val.
you guys got fucked by ofmercia
not just the unnecessary death
but you learned nothing from it
btw every gameday ended way too soon
Indeed, was very much an advocate from continuing that first turn, similarly with turn three.
In post 833, MalcolmTucker wrote:I dunno if it was your motivation, but Val claiming right after Luke suspected you for perhaps the first time was suspect to me.
I can't speak for Val, but as far as I know it wasn't planned
being suspected is part of the game
I was being honest when I said it didn't feel like heat
I've played 16 Newbie games and never been miselim'd
Yeah, I never got to the point of putting heat on you. But I was very much ramping up to defend Eyes.
"I am going to reread this game under the assumption that Furtive and Eyes are always town"
In post 843, furtiveglance wrote:It seemed like no one had considered that mafia would counter claim a tracker in a setup with a protector, and because everyone unanimously voted me it meant we couldn't read into the vote at all.
I did seriously consider that possibility.
But Val's iso was FLAWLESSLY like a cop with a guilty.
I think that your death was less to do with you making a mistake, and more with Val doing an excellent job
In post 843, furtiveglance wrote:It seemed like no one had considered that mafia would counter claim a tracker in a setup with a protector, and because everyone unanimously voted me it meant we couldn't read into the vote at all.
I did seriously consider that possibility.
But Val's iso was FLAWLESSLY like a cop with a guilty.
I think that your death was less to do with you making a mistake, and more with Val doing an excellent job
I understand I can't see it from my POV and never will. The fact that he claimed a sided on the very player he cced?
