This is a valid point, yes. I also find myself tempted to defend myself with very similar excuses to yours, so yeah, fair enough.In post 567, Nero Cain wrote:but aren't you doing the same thing you are accusing me of, attacking Fire's attacker?
I think this will largely resolve itself as I post more. The mech stuff was half my ISO only because I haven't really been playing much yet.In post 624, momo wrote:Hey y'all apologies for the low activity. A friend of mine is organizing a charity event for the situation in Ukraine on Sunday and asked for my help. I'll likely be V/LA until then.
Catching up on reading, a few thoughts before I get into an actual read
- I don't remember if hyper-posting was this bad when I last played mafia, but it's not a particularly pro town way to the play the game, imo. I get that some people think it's fun, but it allows people to escape having to construct actual arguments (which are generally more AI than shitposting).
- The gimmick accounts aren't particularly pro-town but neither is pushing for them to be lynched, especially Day 1 when we have a multitude of other candidates.
With that out of the way, onto what I really want to say. Radical Rat has had pretty much zero votes cast on them but the slot is not particularly towny? In fact, it's rather scummy.
I don't particularly like this rationale for voting. It feels like an easy vote at that point in the game with the way conflict was shaping up. More than that, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Nero is an experienced player and I don't see him jumping onto the Keeper wagon as scum. Nobody is getting voted out this early in the day, and at this point in time it's a push totally unnecessary for scum to make.In post 533, Radical Rat wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain
I think Firebringer is correct about slots hiding behind gimmicks, like. Maybe it's just because I haven't actually played Binding of Isaac, but this doesn't look like playing the game with a gimmick so much as playing the gimmick with a game, to the point that it is actively detrimental to communication.
Having said that, my vote goes to Nero because jumping in to chainsaw Keeper over a pretty tame and reasonable push is much scummier, and a flip there is likely to shed light on Keeper themself.
In post 535, Radical Rat wrote:Also, I watched the movie. Unfortunately the YouTube video was down, so I had to find a sketchier version of it with a questionable translation, BUT I thought it was pretty good. Mixed feelings on the ending, which I will not elaborate on for the sake of those who haven't seen it yet. Also mildly disappointed by the lack of actual demons and shit, I was expecting the infernal to be literal.
Now then, I also have some setup spec based on my viewing. I suspect there may be an impostor Among Us!play laugh track
But for real, IF the setup is actually based on the movie and it's not just a regular game with movie flavor, I expect a traitor to exist, as well as a reverse traitor. So watch out for thatNow these two quotes get to my real problem with Radical. There's not much in terms of player sorting in his ISO (to be fair, there's not much in mine either) but we do have this. This vague mech speculation is a great way toIn post 538, Radical Rat wrote:Like a Traitor but with the alignments swapped.In post 537, Galron wrote:What's a reverse traitor and why do you expect one?
So instead of a secret Mafia in the Town, it'd be a secret Town in the Mafia. Though actually now that I'm typing this out, it probably doesn't exist because of how wildly game-breaking it would be if they just outed the whole scumteam in their first post, unless the scumchat is anonymized somehow. Perhaps a Miller or something instead then, idk.
In any case, the reasoning was that the premise of Infernal Affairs (the movie) is that an undercover cop and a Triad member in the police force are struggling to outmaneuver and expose each other, without blowing their own respective cover. Traitor seemed like the natural way to implement such a concept.appearlike you're contributing to the town, but as scum is one of the lowest consequence contributions you can make.
Especially early in the game when there's a lot of information yet to be uncovered, it's in the best interest of scum to not rock the boat, vote occasionally based on where the town is going, appear like you're presenting in-depth analysis, but not really pushing anything particularly alignment indicative that will make your role more evident after a role flip.
Also, checking the mod's ISO, not a single vote has been cast on Radical - not even in RVS. The odds of that happening with this kind of iso feel higher if the person in question is scum (if they weren't, I'm sure scum would recognize the easy bait).
An iso heavily centered on mech speculation alone is enough reason to be suspicious, but when combined with the lack of any real initiative and the sole vote being probably the least objectionable one available (while there might not be a particularly large wagon on Nero, his aggressive behavior and the absence of a large wagon makes the vote very safe), it's not a good look at all.
I must VOTE: Radical Rat.
Why limit your votes like this, like what's the pointIn post 623, The Keeper wrote:Correct, my second vote locks in.
The pressure comes later, A maximum of two votes, makes my first one VERY potent and my second one deadly.
The limitation maximises my potential - no matter what game you play, you know the higher damage is almost always better.
Nero wasn't pushing Keeper though; he was pushing firebringer? Does that change your analysis of those interactions?In post 624, momo wrote:I don't particularly like this rationale for voting. It feels like an easy vote at that point in the game with the way conflict was shaping up. More than that, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Nero is an experienced player and I don't see him jumping onto the Keeper wagon as scum. Nobody is getting voted out this early in the day, and at this point in time it's a push totally unnecessary for scum to make.
Why? It seemed like it was mostly empty with some small pushback on AD and questioning Toog. It's not the earthshattering content you make it out to be.In post 628, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I've liked FB's recent posting.
I am not sure that I like this, like I get it ya know? scum going after an easy player is a viable strategy. (fire pushing a gimmick alt *cough cough*) ok fine but he's not accusing anyone of doing that. I guess he's trying to say "oh look at me I'm not scum b/c I'm trying to keep the smart player (Magic) alive."In post 289, Tejate Raichu wrote:I have perused some of the completed games. And I have to say, I agree with the assessment a lot of people have already expressed that this playerlist has a lot of troll-y limbait players in it. Killing off smart town early and letting the limbait limbait would definitely be a good idea for scum.
it makes 0 sense to me to be pushing a Magic wagon when there was a healthy TR wagon while calling TR scum.
Fun.In post 628, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Why limit your votes like this, like what's the pointIn post 623, The Keeper wrote:Correct, my second vote locks in.
The pressure comes later, A maximum of two votes, makes my first one VERY potent and my second one deadly.
The limitation maximises my potential - no matter what game you play, you know the higher damage is almost always better.
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I've liked FB's recent posting.
hate naked votes on the big wagon..
Why does my flip shed light on only Keeper and not Fire? Even if we gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were town and you really think I'll flip scum doesn't my scum flip make Fire town? If so why not say anything? But what's going to happen is that I'll flip town which means that I'm being genuine. While that doesn't necessarily make Fire scum (although I think I am right) it does say that one of the better scumhunters was town and was pushing Fire so....maybe you'll say that I'm misrepping you b/c you didn't actually say that my flip doesn't shed light on Fire but you did omit it.In post 533, Radical Rat wrote:and a flip there is likely to shed light on Keeper themself.
Why are you thinking it's a bus over a townie that believes the case?In post 636, Nero Cain wrote:its just a bus
I think he would've posted his case by now if he's town
Help me bus thenIn post 636, Nero Cain wrote:its just a bus
This is actually...quite fairIn post 640, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I think he would've posted his case by now if he's town
If I had a good case, id be excited to share it. i don't think I'd forget about it, like he has here.
I mean, yeah, Fire comes out looking better as Keeper looks worse if you flip red. Firebringer just wasn't really the focus there for me.In post 637, Nero Cain wrote:Also, felt this is kinda ???
Why does my flip shed light on only Keeper and not Fire? Even if we gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were town and you really think I'll flip scum doesn't my scum flip make Fire town? If so why not say anything? But what's going to happen is that I'll flip town which means that I'm being genuine. While that doesn't necessarily make Fire scum (although I think I am right) it does say that one of the better scumhunters was town and was pushing Fire so....maybe you'll say that I'm misrepping you b/c you didn't actually say that my flip doesn't shed light on Fire but you did omit it.In post 533, Radical Rat wrote:and a flip there is likely to shed light on Keeper themself.
Also, you could have just joined the Keeper wagon but you didn't b/c ????
elaborate (super important) (please put it at the top of your in-game to do list) (not clickbait)In post 581, Tejate Raichu wrote:Andante's recent posts are interesting, and I'll do some reconsidering of the slot.
ok
I'm tunneled on Fire and when CSF said she liked Fire's empty posting and fussing about AD it made the klaxons in my head blare. I don't think his Toog stuff was all that great.In post 639, MagikHorse wrote:Why are you thinking it's a bus over a townie that believes the case?In post 636, Nero Cain wrote:its just a bus
Also, I lowkey feel like this post is shade and more likely to come from scum than town.In post 382, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Surprising vote. I'm townleaning Tejate right now, and I feel like usually our reads are similar when we're both town.
In post 363, Frogsterking wrote:Yes I have done a lot of the work already and I keep procrastinating because of my perfectionism.In post 361, Save The Dragons wrote:can you case magikhorse
In post 367, Frogsterking wrote:@Magik
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I had some moderate success in reading scum!Magik on D1 in this game Newbie 2025. Magik may have replaced out during Night 1 due to early pressure but scum!Magik was able to easily diffuse my push D1 and left their scum slot in a widely townread position going into D2. The replacement into Magik's scum slot proceeded to run away with the game.
...In post 643, Radical Rat wrote:I mean, yeah, Fire comes out looking better as Keeper looks worse if you flip red. Firebringer just wasn't really the focus there for me.In post 637, Nero Cain wrote:Also, felt this is kinda ???
Why does my flip shed light on only Keeper and not Fire? Even if we gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were town and you really think I'll flip scum doesn't my scum flip make Fire town? If so why not say anything? But what's going to happen is that I'll flip town which means that I'm being genuine. While that doesn't necessarily make Fire scum (although I think I am right) it does say that one of the better scumhunters was town and was pushing Fire so....maybe you'll say that I'm misrepping you b/c you didn't actually say that my flip doesn't shed light on Fire but you did omit it.In post 533, Radical Rat wrote:and a flip there is likely to shed light on Keeper themself.
Also, you could have just joined the Keeper wagon but you didn't b/c ????
I voted you and not Keeper because I think you were being actively scummy, whereas Keeper hasn't really been aside from overdoing the gimmick. Which yes, I agree with Firebringer that looks sketchy, but I'm not confident enough to actually vote over it in lieu of something more concrete.