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[MegAzumarill]

Vote Count 3.0.2



Almost50 (1) Ircher [E-5]
Ircher (1) Radical Rat [E-5]

Not Voting: (8) Toogeloo, [Toogeloo], Noraa, Flea The Magician, Cat Scratch Fever, Almost50, Galron, Enchant

With 10 votes it takes 6 to eliminate.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-03-13 10:29:56)


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Noraa replaces Nathann

[Radical Rat]

Would you redirect Mafia night kills if the mafiosi doing the kill was also voting you that day?

I redirect all actions, including nightkills.

My plan was to prove people as not killers (or die gloriously and draw my voter with me next day, how luck) but i actually screwing around whole game. Why i have problem with drawing votes when i NEED it...

Just in a case, everyone who i redirected Knows about it (via special song message), but only if it affected them at all. Galron called he was roleblocked (or thought so) but received message, so i writed him as NotInvestigator/Killer. Idk what he used on me.

In this case, I have an idea. Possibly even a good one.

We eliminate Ircher, because Ircher is pretty plainly scum to my eyes. However, we also have two questionable slots vote for Enchant. Then, if anyone but Enchant gets nightkilled, we know at least one scum is outside the two we have voting Enchant. If Enchant does get nightkilled, unfortunately it doesn't say much, as scum could just WIFOM kill him, but then we just proceed as normal.

[Radical Rat]

Ideally, we'd have more than two voting Enchant, BUT any more than that and if we get unlucky and all three scum aren't in the group, they can quickhammer and win if indeed they do have Roden's gun

[Toogeloo]

If scum had control of a vig shot, I can't see why they wouldn't have used it already, especially with two confirmed townies last night.

It's theoretically plausible that if scum were given a gun but didn't use it, and took no other action, they were forced to target Andante on Night 1, right? It's also theoretically plausible that Roden, not having enough information to work with, decided not to give a gun to anyone, right?

I might go and check and see who Roden was town reading Day 1, but I'm not sure it's really important.

Anyone who's been paying more attention than me have a list of known possible fusions and submissions at this point?

[Noraa]

The fusion mechanic makes no sense also. and I've read that over like five times. Two random lists and then .... ???????????????????

Let's say, hypothetically, you were number 1 on the first list, and number 7 on the second. Your pick (Miller) would be fused with whatever the pick of number 7 on the first list was, in your case most likely IC or something similar.

Actual role name and mechanics are then up to Meg's interpretation. Miller and IC are contradictory, leading to you appearing as both Guilty and Innocent simultaneously, and now dubbed Paradox.

that doesn't make sense though. I only picked miller, where does IC come from?

[Noraa]

oh never mind. i get it now.
everyone gets a number and then another number and the original numbers are the real ones. the fake just give each real one a role to fuse with

[Noraa]

If scum had control of a vig shot, I can't see why they wouldn't have used it already, especially with two confirmed townies last night.

I do not feel like reading up. Fill me in

[Galron]

Rodent was able to give a vig shot to someone. I have it. Not planning on using it. If I do though I'll go with the wotc.

[Galron]

I'm sure he's wanted me to shoot A50. I wasn't prepared to do that. I hate vig shots.

[Galron]

Roden not Rodent ofc

[Galron]

So no worries about melo either.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Almost50
Actually, you explanation makes very little sense. In particular, if "In D3 (today) I also found myself all alone in a new hood, and the only 2 explanations I had were that Dwlee somehow decided to target me of all people or -much more likely- I was targeted by the ASCETIC so my ability didn't affect them." was the case, that would only serve to reinforce that I was an ascetic, not contradict it. Since when is visiting someone a crime? (Hint: It isn't unless the visited target was killed. Clearly, Almost50 was not killed.) This doesn't line up with how you claimed your role as a hard guilty to begin with.

"[...] so the only option left is he was a Scum PR himself, and that's the "guilty" I was talking about": Hold up, there are way more roles than the ones you considered. Fruit Vendor, Visitor, and Neighborizer are just a few that would give no indication of your alignment. Roleblockers is another example and can be both town and scum aligned.

Instead of approaching this from a neutral standpoint, you approached it in a manner that automatically presumed I was scum. You wanted to find a reason to scum read, and you did. You're scum trying to score me as the final mislim.

What do you make of Almost50's unvote?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher
This is going to happen regardless. I'd rather sooner than later.

[Ircher]

What do you make of Almost50's unvote?

Perfunctory at best.

[Noraa]

I've never seen ircher this scummy before tbh. Is this the REAL scum ircher O_o

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Ircher, is that supposed to be some sort of AtE

[Ircher]

I do not feel like reading up. Fill me in

Very simple:

Kill me today. Kill Almost50 tomorrow.

[Ircher]

Ircher, is that supposed to be some sort of AtE

No, it's an acknowledgement of the game state.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Would you redirect Mafia night kills if the mafiosi doing the kill was also voting you that day?

I redirect all actions, including nightkills.

My plan was to prove people as not killers (or die gloriously and draw my voter with me next day, how luck) but i actually screwing around whole game. Why i have problem with drawing votes when i NEED it...

Just in a case, everyone who i redirected Knows about it (via special song message), but only if it affected them at all. Galron called he was roleblocked (or thought so) but received message, so i writed him as NotInvestigator/Killer. Idk what he used on me.

In this case, I have an idea. Possibly even a good one.

We eliminate Ircher, because Ircher is pretty plainly scum to my eyes. However, we also have two questionable slots vote for Enchant. Then, if anyone but Enchant gets nightkilled, we know at least one scum is outside the two we have voting Enchant. If Enchant does get nightkilled, unfortunately it doesn't say much, as scum could just WIFOM kill him, but then we just proceed as normal.

I really like this idea, and I think we should do this.

Enchant, does your ability work on yourself?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I do not feel like reading up. Fill me in

Very simple:

Kill me today. Kill Almost50 tomorrow.

Ircher, is that supposed to be some sort of AtE

No, it's an acknowledgement of the game state.

I don't disagree that you're fairly scumread.

Is A50 singled out solely because of the reasons outlined in 783? Why do you think A50 is scum pushing you instead of, say, Rat for example?

[Noraa]

If everyone in the game SRs ircher, ircher is probably town. if not, depends i guess. lean scum though for sure.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

If everyone in the game SRs ircher, ircher is probably town. if not, depends i guess. lean scum though for sure.

This kind of precludes the notion that scum could bus though.

[Noraa]

No it doesn't. It's IRCHER. If everyone SRs him, he's town. Anything in the middle is hazy and nonconclusive.

-professor noraa

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Not actively but I think you're in the PoE

What is your PoE?

Town

Nathan, Nordom, almost
Enchant, Galron, rr
toog, flea - null
Ircher, greeting

Scum

Everyone null and below can just go into the PoE by default

Give me a new reads list, por favor.

Circling back to this, I'm basically around here:

Rat, Almost
Galron, Nathan
Enchant, Flea
Ircher

I think Ircher has been scummy since D2, and I don't see why town!Ircher would have claimed ascetic, whereas the motivation is obvious for scum.

Enchant I can see where he's coming from with trying to disprove people from doing the NK. But looking at his ISO, I also feel he wasn't really trying to get his scumreads to vote him, which would've had yielded the most impact from his role, so it could also be manipulating town night actions. Looking back, I'm not really sure I understand why he was voting for Rat yesterday.

Flea's wall from yesterday was kinda townie, but I don't think that's enough to townread fae, and they haven't had much of a presence otherwise.

Nathan/Nora (Welcome btw! ) there was some conviction behind their Greeting push and their posts are pretty sound, but he also did start a counterwagon on town (Greeting) yesterday, so they're not top town either.

Galron also hasn't really had much of a presence, but I think there is some merit to the point that scum would have vigged the conftown already. Although there is really no way we can verify he has the vig shot, I think it'd be a pretty bold lie from scum, so thinking out loud, maybe he should be top town.

Almost I'm still not sure how he thought he had a guilty on Ircher. But he seemed to be reassess when he realized his mistake, so I'm not sure I see it as scum motivated. I think he genuinely believed in his Roden push day 1.

Rat's posting has improved a lot today, and I've agreed with a lot of what they've said.

I would guess Ircher, Enchant, Flea roughly in that order.

I don't know if Enchant can self target. Probably not, but at the very least, I think we should be ending the day with Flea voting for Enchant. Thoughts?

[Noraa]

Nathan

Noraa is the towniest! Hmmm I'll bribe you with perhaps ... kitteh gifs?