Mini 2265: Bears with Guns 2: Pandamonium game over
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Last edited by Nero Cain on Wed Mar 09, 2022 2:08 am, edited 2 times in total.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Hate to say it, but I’m glad if that role is real
That I didn’t get it. SM would automatically think it was a fake claim since the last time I rolled scum and played against SM it’s similar to what I claimed lmao (just not the vig part)No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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Tbh math I didn’t think Jv was claiming there. I thought he was just joking while replying to a joke that toog made.
Either way that post makes me think Math is town because I don’t think scum math would let pOtential-Pr-JV live.No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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Are you like purposefully being dense?
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What is even happenint lmao. I have said my reads from where I am up to. If u wanna get upset at me for not reading later do that dont make up bullshit that I didnt say my readsIn post 407, MathBlade wrote:I just doubt you’ll see a read from Jackson ever but I hope he proves me wrong.-
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I would like this answered too owoIn post 429, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I don't think anything has pinged me about them so far. Is there a reason why you're hyper focused on them?In post 413, MathBlade wrote:Anyone TR Jackson?-
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It was a joke claim lmao. Do you not see that N1 Novice is redundant and Vig Doc is also redundant. Didnt think this was hard to understandIn post 437, MathBlade wrote:
I am actually a vigilante doctor. Not quite a vig but same effect. Because I didn’t believe Jackson’s claim and thought he was rolefishing I poisoned him (which is a delayed vig) and he will die on a set night. No I won’t say which night. If scum want to save him they will have to make a case and I can stop the effect.In post 299, JacksonVirgo wrote:I claim N1 Novice Vigilante-Doctor. :D
I am pretty much a Joat with (redacted), poisoner, unpoisoner.
The risk is minimal if Jackson truthtold as N1 and Novice are contradictory.
Because I was a Joat I figured it a safe enough risk considering I am a Joat.
So if anyone townreads Jackson now’s the time. I was giving him and everyone else every opportunity to see if he should live.
Because Jackson didn’t want momo elimmed I felt it’s a pretty good elim.
That being said Toog’s reaction was terrible
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Incorrect except maybe Toog. Ur early reads were not spot on. U were 2 wrong once momo flipped yet ur ego is holding on super strongIn post 445, MathBlade wrote:
Also damn I was right.In post 46, MathBlade wrote:
Momo and Roden is probably TvT.In post 43, Roden wrote:
You're right, sorry.In post 42, momo wrote:This is the fifth vote on Toog. Bringing someone to L-2 on post 37 without so much as a comment (even just one saying that it's L-2) is not the best look.
VOTE: Momo
This is E-5.
I really just think my early reads are spot on and it’s Toog + JV + 1-
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Nah if I was scum I let JV live (assuming JV town) because N1 + Novice anything can never actIn post 452, Malakittens wrote:Tbh math I didn’t think Jv was claiming there. I thought he was just joking while replying to a joke that toog made.
Either way that post makes me think Math is town because I don’t think scum math would let pOtential-Pr-JV live.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not reallyIn post 457, JacksonVirgo wrote:math did a dumb revealing if I am dead anyway
Me revealing and dying is protown
They can either shoot me which limits the PRs they can shoot
Or they can leave conf town (soon as you flip and there are two deaths)
Or they can gamble which night you’re supposed to flip and shoot you to avoid confirming me but then another Townie lives
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I'm trying to recall, what game are you talking about? I've had multiple games where people have roles that just don't make sense together, and some of which actually did exist together and it was townsided. Personally, with this claim, I don't feel like it makes sense to be fake though I'm far less certain I'm fine with leaving them alive for today even if it is just a fake.In post 451, Malakittens wrote:Hate to say it, but I’m glad if that role is real
That I didn’t get it. SM would automatically think it was a fake claim since the last time I rolled scum and played against SM it’s similar to what I claimed lmao (just not the vig part)-
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I dropped the use of usernames for the purpose of this post only to make it simpler.In post 411, StrangeMatter wrote:Spoiler: posts
I don't agree that contradictions are inherently scum indicative from experience when in several games I've seen more often town flipping on their views (One of which was a game where I spectated a newbie game where you and Cape90 in that game seemingly to me did a 180 onto Dunnstral) to know entirely from experience it's more common that scum chooses to have smooth arguments and have some excuse to switch to something. Although I don't understand quite understand, and I want you to walk me through the thought process here, how does this correlate with being a contradiction of their confidence?
Not going to say much on the other main part here since it is manipulative if they aren't lying about that, which is true but nobody here can really say if it's true or not (and probably shouldn't be pursued further since I think their reaction can absolutely be genuine).
The way x posted made me believe that they're very certain that y is scum. If x says that y is almost certainly scum, then why would they switch to a second wagon, which was a pressure wagon and not focus on drumming up players to eliminate y instead? If x sees y as scum and x is town then it is most reasonable for to x believe that by voting to eliminate y they are acting in the interest of town. And not instead just jump on someone else.
Miseliminating any townie is objectively anti-town play. However, it happens in every game and I don't know a single player who has never voted out a townie while being town themselves. It happens not because every single townie who miseliminates scum wants their team to fail, but because theythinkthat person was scum. So in their minds they see it as pro-town play. As for x, my opinion is that it's anti-town play in both objective and most importantly, subjective way. If someone acts in a way that doesn't align with their stated beliefs and their actions result in the worsening of town's chances to win the game then it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the viewpoint could really be coming from scum.
Of course, there is a town explanation for this and it's that it's just they had bad reads and a bad impulse which led to a bad fuckup. But I see this as possibly coming from a scum point of view and hence why my vote is where it is.-
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I have explained this in great detail to the point where I don't think there is anything more to add. As for that reaction itself, read up 396.In post 416, Vanderscamp wrote:
I don't understand how you can receive the reaction from Mala that you did during eod and still come to the conclusion that their confidence is fake.In post 374, Greeting wrote:
To blame it on me, by creating a false narrative that I was a scum counterwagon toIn post 371, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Mala and Math, why did you guys hammer momo yesterday without a claim?momo's town wagon. I don't believe that the circumstances surrounding voting outmomowere a miscalculation.Malakittensknew what they were doing when they made 336. Their lies and fake confidence are shown in clear contradictions between 334 and 338. It's just making up stuff and strategy on the go, and the effect is detrimental to town as resulted by today's flip.
VOTE: Malakittens
MathBladeshould also explain himself.-
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Who do you think is scum with the other person?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Alright, that makes sense. However what sticks out to me and something I noted throughout all this is...I noted from looking through ISO as well is that you really didn't poke or prod into that much, just kind of accused. Which is odd in a scummy way (but I still think both of you are town) that just jumped onto something you find scummy for it.In post 464, Greeting wrote: I dropped the use of usernames for the purpose of this post only to make it simpler.
The way x posted made me believe that they're very certain that y is scum. If x says that y is almost certainly scum, then why would they switch to a second wagon, which was a pressure wagon and not focus on drumming up players to eliminate y instead? If x sees y as scum and x is town then it is most reasonable for to x believe that by voting to eliminate y they are acting in the interest of town. And not instead just jump on someone else.
Miseliminating any townie is objectively anti-town play. However, it happens in every game and I don't know a single player who has never voted out a townie while being town themselves. It happens not because every single townie who miseliminates scum wants their team to fail, but because theythinkthat person was scum. So in their minds they see it as pro-town play. As for x, my opinion is that it's anti-town play in both objective and most importantly, subjective way. If someone acts in a way that doesn't align with their stated beliefs and their actions result in the worsening of town's chances to win the game then it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the viewpoint could really be coming from scum.
Of course, there is a town explanation for this and it's that it's just they had bad reads and a bad impulse which led to a bad fuckup. But I see this as possibly coming from a scum point of view and hence why my vote is where it is.-
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I've heard this before.In post 427, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:mala's probably town for those posts tbh. I feel like scum wouldn't do an awkward vote like that, because the optics are really bad.
Scum wouldn't do that because it's too obvious.
Guess what happened? They did it and then used the very same thing as an excuse into misleading town to think otherwise.
Playstyles vary, but scums always have the same goal and that's it's the goal of each post that, in my opinion, takes precedence over playstyle.
Does this post come from someone who wants to solve the game in their own way or from someone who has something different on their mind?
It's true that not every post needs to have a goal. I've made posts before as town (I have never rolled scum on MafiaScum actually) and had nothing in mind. I have made posts which were pretty much prod dodges which brought up nothing in value to the game. There were games where I just waited for Day 1 to end, because I felt like there was not enough information to make a good choice. So I know that not every single post in the game needs to have a gamesolving mindset.
But these posts most definitely had a goal and the goal was anti-town.-
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And what I mean is odd about it is that you didn't really prod around Malakittens with your read, which to me indicates at the minimum a fairly strong reason to point if you are right or not about solving a person's alignment.In post 467, StrangeMatter wrote:
Alright, that makes sense. However what sticks out to me and something I noted throughout all this is...I noted from looking through ISO as well is that you really didn't poke or prod into that much, just kind of accused. Which is odd in a scummy way (but I still think both of you are town) that just jumped onto something you find scummy for it.In post 464, Greeting wrote: I dropped the use of usernames for the purpose of this post only to make it simpler.
The way x posted made me believe that they're very certain that y is scum. If x says that y is almost certainly scum, then why would they switch to a second wagon, which was a pressure wagon and not focus on drumming up players to eliminate y instead? If x sees y as scum and x is town then it is most reasonable for to x believe that by voting to eliminate y they are acting in the interest of town. And not instead just jump on someone else.
Miseliminating any townie is objectively anti-town play. However, it happens in every game and I don't know a single player who has never voted out a townie while being town themselves. It happens not because every single townie who miseliminates scum wants their team to fail, but because theythinkthat person was scum. So in their minds they see it as pro-town play. As for x, my opinion is that it's anti-town play in both objective and most importantly, subjective way. If someone acts in a way that doesn't align with their stated beliefs and their actions result in the worsening of town's chances to win the game then it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the viewpoint could really be coming from scum.
Of course, there is a town explanation for this and it's that it's just they had bad reads and a bad impulse which led to a bad fuckup. But I see this as possibly coming from a scum point of view and hence why my vote is where it is.-
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In post 437, MathBlade wrote:
I am actually a vigilante doctor. Not quite a vig but same effect. Because I didn’t believe Jackson’s claim and thought he was rolefishing I poisoned him (which is a delayed vig) and he will die on a set night. No I won’t say which night. If scum want to save him they will have to make a case and I can stop the effect.In post 299, JacksonVirgo wrote:I claim N1 Novice Vigilante-Doctor.
I am pretty much a Joat with (redacted), poisoner, unpoisoner.
The risk is minimal if Jackson truthtold as N1 and Novice are contradictory.
Because I was a Joat I figured it a safe enough risk considering I am a Joat.
So if anyone townreads Jackson now’s the time. I was giving him and everyone else every opportunity to see if he should live.
Because Jackson didn’t want momo elimmed I felt it’s a pretty good elim.
That being said Toog’s reaction was terrible
VOTE: Toog
Your claim sounds believable. As forIn post 442, MathBlade wrote:
VeterarianIn post 441, Toogeloo wrote:What is your flavor Mr JOAT?
I crumbed it with thinks like stethoscope:)JacksonVirgo, I'll need to look into that slot, because my focus in this game has been completely elsewhere.
Veterinarians also euthanise pets. It's kinda cheeky to call them poison doctors, but it's totally something I would expect from Nero Cain (no shade, that's pretty cool actually!).In post 449, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Toog
Veterinarian that poisons. I wonder if your license should be revoked lmao-
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Dont bother I am dying tonight owoIn post 470, Greeting wrote:Your claim sounds believable. As for JacksonVirgo, I'll need to look into that slot, because my focus in this game has been completely elsewhere.-
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