Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

[Pavowski]

Just gonna yeet this pagetop while I'm at it and try again from home

[humaneatingmonkey]

how else does one progress in their reads in this game other than getting their strongest townreads to half-trust each other and getting confirmed towns to the endgame? meanwhile, i feel like there's a strong chance Enchant is scum here and that this game is won just by letting them stay in this game.

[bugspray]

can trust triangles help here? three people all think they are town and then form a trust triangle where A trust B, B trust C, C trust A and then they are all pseudomechanically conftown. I think the trusts would also have to form in that order.

[bugspray]

also hem i wanted you to have posted why we were buddies by the time i return but that literally hasn't happened so you can fuck off

[humaneatingmonkey]

woah asking someone to fuck off isn't a very good way to make friends

[humaneatingmonkey]

can trust triangles help here? three people all think they are town and then form a trust triangle where A trust B, B trust C, C trust A and then they are all pseudomechanically conftown. I think the trusts would also have to form in that order.

Why stop at a triangle? It can be a train where A agrees to never leave the game.

[chavela]

how else does one progress in their reads in this game other than getting their strongest townreads to half-trust each other and getting confirmed towns to the endgame? meanwhile, i feel like there's a strong chance Enchant is scum here and that this game is won just by letting them stay in this game.

i, don’t get it

[chavela]

can trust triangles help here? three people all think they are town and then form a trust triangle where A trust B, B trust C, C trust A and then they are all pseudomechanically conftown. I think the trusts would also have to form in that order.

or this

[chavela]

it’s like it’s like it’s like

a) we have a lot of time and need to find two towns collectively
b) why would we risk losing the game (or at least severely disadvantaging ourselfs) with mechanical plays that are pretty easy for mafia to play around when we could just try to interact with everyone and find the aforementioned towns
c) how are either of you two even reading most of the game right now there are just so many slots i am ??? about

[humaneatingmonkey]

They didn't bounce at the earliest opportunity, so you can create a core of trust. the only problem would be: If two of them, or one of them is scum, they can infiltrate the game to success. They only need one trust. It's not really a reliable strategy.

The better strategy is A trusts B, C trusts B — we now have the information that B is town, and that A reads B strongly enough as town (but if there's an incongruence, this slot is maybe scum) and C is not afraid to confirm that (and because I think C won't help town progress their wincon, this means C is not scum).

[humaneatingmonkey]

But I got impatient, and I don't think I need to be confirmed because I think it's very obvious that I'm town. We need to focus on the next part, where I find two towns and get them to trust each other. This is a different strategy.

[chavela]

for example greeting has four posts right now none of which contain thoughts on any other players right

so trying to learn more there or any number of other places seems much preferable to me than any sort of mechanical play right now

like what is plan here

to just start pressing buttons and hope enchant + ??? slots contains all of the mafia

seems somewhat unlikely to me and i don’t really understand the town motivation for this

pedit: eh but also yeah would like to see the humaneatingmonkey finds towns part

[chavela]

as most of my complaint with your play and why it feels not very town is that you’re just saying you’re town and i’m a threat and enchant scum because of trust you asked for

and not like, sorting i guess

[humaneatingmonkey]

wow chavela, if this is your scum game, then i'm really impressed

[humaneatingmonkey]

the tone is

[chavela]

wow chavela, if this is your scum game,

it isn’t

which may be what you’re saying there while being kind

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ugh i’m so annoyed by another game i was in, but let’s see if i can focus on this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, weird strategies. No i can’t.

[Pavowski]

Ok, weird strategies. No i can’t.

Which strategies are weird?

C'mon man. At least give some reads or impressions

[humaneatingmonkey]

what do you think about bugs, Pavowski?

[bugspray]

alright so we don't triangle that is fine. chaevla is right that we should focus on getting more content from more people so that town people are more yeetable

[Pavowski]

I don't get any overtly scummy pings from bugs, which is interesting because in our last game together (micro 1042) I sorta gathered that this was a player who generated scum pings but I still read them correctly as town.

That was convoluted but

I think I have a decent chance of correctly reading bugs as time goes on and I have no reason to scumread there so far

[Pavowski]

alright so we don't triangle that is fine. chaevla is right that we should focus on getting more content from more people so that town people are more yeetable

This is facts, we have decent info on enchant despite the tiny iso thanks to the yolo trust and on monkey, and chav is posting it up... But need much more from some others if we're to do this right

[Pavowski]

Like I'm a little irked by Norwee's posts here tonight but I dunno if I can scumread that because ... Laying low in this game is the opposite of a path to victory for scum

[bugspray]

saying that lurking is towny makes it not towny anymore because it suddenly becomes a publicly known wifom good job dude