Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

[chavela]

also, not sure how important this is, I'm not here at deadline, sunday the 13th I literally can't possibly post that day

not so important unless you specifically want to be one of those players paired today

[chavela]

i don’t get it at all

meh just going to find a town i guess

definitely getting too frustrated

[chavela]

like ‘haven’t read your posts and am townreading someone for saying the same thing you said shortly after you said it but you’re scum’ is like !!! to me and just yeah

[bugspray]

also, not sure how important this is, I'm not here at deadline, sunday the 13th I literally can't possibly post that day

if you send a trust before then it can be accepted without you being around, you just can't accept a sent one to yu

[humaneatingmonkey]

like if everyone really thinks the approach here for town should be find one town and get out i can find one town and get out

but it just feels like we can do better even if i am beyond terrible at organizing

the problem is you really can't trust the fog of no mechanical information, and at some point you'd need to crystallize your reads by doing mechanical action.

for example, i think playing the way i did created a clear event that you can read from - and the day has not ended. we don't have to wait for the next day to create these events (like for example, me popping a trust (with the understanding that it won't be immediately accepted if the recipient is town).

[chavela]

sure trust me then

[humaneatingmonkey]

i don't want to do that yet sorry, i'm not sure you're outside of your scum range.

[chavela]

then sort me push me out of range whatever

or don’t shrug

meuh the most likely non-me town right now

probably? if you really think mechanical actions is the way to go

but eh

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think we're still at the point where we'll need to slow this a bit so tris, NorwegianBoy, Greeting, and Adante can catch up and react to these first 15 pages.

[chavela]

it’s like you’re just going ‘she could be scum’ with like, no ability for me to be town in this view, like by this logic I could literally always be scum when it’s like, really hard for me to see you viewing me that way

andante is now saying ‘haven’t read her posts but she’s scum’

and it’s like

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[humaneatingmonkey]

chav, i'm shocked you're annoyed by not having the opportunity to be viewed as town this early in the game. didn't you say you'd rather stay later than get trusted early?

[chavela]

i think we're still at the point where we'll need to slow this a bit so tris, NorwegianBoy, Greeting, and Adante can catch up and react to these first 15 pages.

i said more or less this right when explaining why mechanical plan was bad

you then said, no mechanical plan only way to move forward

then i said, okay, mechanical plan go, trust me,

now you say, well we need more information from those slots before i am even willing to try to gain enough information from your slot to enact mechanical plan

and it is like

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like it just feels like you don't want me to be confirmed

[tris]

what should i read

[chavela]

chav, i'm shocked you're annoyed by not having the opportunity to be viewed as town this early in the game. didn't you say you'd rather stay later than get trusted early?

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what?

i am annoyed that i am being scumread for ???????????????????????????????????????????? reasons

like

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you are saying that, you want to enact mechanical plan, unless it involves me, and then using my argument against the mechanical plan in the first place as the reasoning for that

[humaneatingmonkey]

mechanical plan only way to move forward is true. that's what me calling to be confirmed was for. that's done now and we can read through the action. now we wait and talk about it. then after, we can do another mechanical action so we can continue this cycle again.

[chavela]

what should i read

norwegianboyee pages 2-4, enchant offering trust to humaneatingmonkey and aftermath, would be most pressing highlights i guess but everything if able

[humaneatingmonkey]

trist just read the 15 pages, it reads well. all one-liners.

[chavela]

mechanical plan only way to move forward is true. that's what me calling to be confirmed was for. that's done now and we can read through the action. now we wait and talk about it. then after, we can do another mechanical action so we can continue this cycle again.

only, you're not actually confirmed and not really playing like town either

[humaneatingmonkey]

only, you're not actually confirmed and not really playing like town either

you're not playing like town

and it's not that i'm confirmed. it's that we have generated 15 pages of possibly AI-indicative stuff from everyone else including me.

what are you reads really

[chavela]

you're not playing like town

in what way am i not playing like town?

what are you reads really

??? what do you think they are? like i've given thoughts on most of the slots that have posted, and this is the same exact approach to me you took as scum previously,

[humaneatingmonkey]

for example my reads are

pavowski
norwegianboyEE,
meuh, andante, greeting, tris,
chavela, bugspray

what's yours

[chavela]

??? what do you think they are? like i've given thoughts on most of the slots that have posted, and this is the same exact approach to me you took as scum previously,

like the only strong feeling i've had that i haven't really already posted was being kinda worried about bugspray's approach to me in comparison to last game we played together

[chavela]

for example my reads are

pavowski
norwegianboyEE,
meuh, andante, greeting, tris,
chavela, bugspray

what's yours

you know i do not work this way

like c'mon

[bugspray]

the biggest problem is that people are disagreeing on an individualist or collectivist solution to the problem that this setup poses and people are just scumreading each other for it

[humaneatingmonkey]

you know i do not work this way

like c'mon

i know but give me your version i guess. it's very hard to parse what you really think, because just moments ago, i thought you were townreading me.