Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

[chavela]

like if you really want a readslist it'd be something like

meuh
norwegianboy
pav

tris, greeting

humaneatingmonkey

andante, bugspray

enchant

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay let's talk about why they're tiered that way

[chavela]

i know but give me your version i guess. it's very hard to parse what you really think, because just moments ago, i thought you were townreading me.

okay so why not ask me more about that, or explain why you thought that and ask if that's an accurate representation of my thought process i do not understand how a readslist can solve this issue

[humaneatingmonkey]

chavela, please, don't let me get in the way of you laying out your thought process thus far because that's really what i really want to see. right now, it's a bit nebulous.

[chavela]

okay let's talk about why they're tiered that way

like are you just asking me to restate all of my thoughts on every slot that i have throughout the game or are you asking how i am weighing things like

norwegianboyee's 'gimme space' vs meuh's general towniness

[chavela]

chavela, please, don't let me get in the way of you laying out your thought process thus far because that's really what i really want to see. right now, it's a bit nebulous.

.........

nah just going to assume you're not town because like,

this just does not feel remotely towny

[humaneatingmonkey]

you'll be surprised

[chavela]

chavela, please, don't let me get in the way of you laying out your thought process thus far because that's really what i really want to see. right now, it's a bit nebulous.

.........

nah just going to assume you're not town because like,

this just does not feel remotely towny

like you're literally saying, 'hey gimme more thoughts on everything you've thought this game' even though you haven't pointed out anything at all you've found to not be towny

[chavela]

like you're literally saying, 'hey gimme more thoughts on everything you've thought this game' even though you haven't pointed out anything at all you've found to not be towny

and what purpose could this possibly have other than to then say something that i then posted was not towny

[bugspray]

okay let's talk about why they're tiered that way

shiki is already uncomfortable making tierlist in the first place can you fuck off with this neurotypical bullshit? not everyone thinks about thinks the same way as you

[humaneatingmonkey]

>.< am i not allowed to discuss reads now?

bugspray, if i find out you're scum and you're weaponizing the "neurotypical" angle to pocket shiki and advance in the game, i will hate you forever.

[Prism]

Global reminder to stay respectful of others. I will issue more targeted warnings and/or force replacements if necessary. Please do not escalate further.

[bugspray]

>.< am i not allowed to discuss reads now?

bugspray, if i find out you're scum and you're weaponizing the "neurotypical" angle to pocket shiki and advance in the game, i will hate you forever.

regardless of alignment i think it's evil to try and make people do things they clearly don't want to. i find it despicable that you would even insinuate that i am weaponizing your so called angle to pocket a player

[humaneatingmonkey]

good. because it would be despicable if true.
chavela's not under hostage, and i wasn't particularly hostile. so you can shut the fuck up now.

[chavela]

you know i do not work this way

like c'mon

i know but give me your version i guess.

it's just like, not how i approach the game, as you know

like even looking at my list there it can fluctuate greatly just thinking about any name on the list

are you and/or andante spewing pav town? or! are one of you trying to get me to pair with partner pav as i've discussed my townread of pav earlier? like does being third on the list mean i would pair with third? not really sure, this consideration would weigh too heavily on my right now to offer a trust to pav even though i think more likely town, like there are just like

so many of these

and when there is a list it is like a static thing and pretty much never representative of how i am viewing the game at any time

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay so what mechanical action do you think should happen next? is it really me trusting you?

[Enchant]

Prodge.

Still trusting monke.

[chavela]

for example my reads are

pavowski
norwegianboyEE,
meuh, andante, greeting, tris,
chavela, bugspray

what's yours

also it's like,

you currently think i am one of the very most likely mafias? even though you think i would be playing impressively if mafia, and! my play does not resemble any of my past play as mafia to you? and! there isn't something i've done you felt was +mafia just that you think everything i've done is 'within my range' which in this case based on your stated view of me when you entered i am assuming is near infinite, so mostly it is just, scum because could be scum because can always be scum, which, like, ...

(i am assuming enchant would be at the bottom even though you failed to list enchant? which is probably +partner in a vacuum)

[chavela]

okay so what mechanical action do you think should happen next? is it really me trusting you?

i mean, if solely up to me, i would suggest anyone trusting me, and then me trusting someone from there, probably with the intention of that trust being reciprocated after we've discussed for the rest of the day,

as i am feeling frustrated and less and less useful to the game as a whole

[humaneatingmonkey]

you currently think i am one of the very most likely mafias? even though you think i would be playing impressively if mafia, and! my play does not resemble any of my past play as mafia to you? and! there isn't something i've done you felt was +mafia just that you think everything i've done is 'within my range' which in this case based on your stated view of me when you entered i am assuming is near infinite, so mostly it is just, scum because could be scum because can always be scum, which, like, ...

(i am assuming enchant would be at the bottom even though you failed to list enchant? which is probably +partner in a vacuum)

yeah i didn't list enchant i forgot to bring them in their own tier (the bottom)

i can't explain it yet but the mood shift you had from pages ago when you declared you would want to stay in the game to solve it and that you don't think mechanical play is the way, then the incongruence when you became upset that i wouldn't trust you and advance the game mechanically... is noteworthy.

also yes, i think you're one of the most likely mafias thus far.

[chavela]

i can't explain it yet but the mood shift you had from pages ago when you declared you would want to stay in the game to solve it and that you don't think mechanical play is the way, then the incongruence when you became upset that i wouldn't trust you and advance the game mechanically... is noteworthy.

...

it is explained by what has happened in the game,

like do you not think i would be frustrated with enchant yolotrusting? do you not think i would be frustrated by andante saying 'haven't read any of your posts but you're scum'?

and i already explained your loop with the mechanical advancement and just using my argument against me

like to me the solutions to my frustration are

a) i find a town and leave the game

or

b) i am offered a trust and others treat me as town so i can just play as town and am no longer subject to some/most of the things currently frustrating me

[humaneatingmonkey]

behind bugspray, of course.

bugspray has hit several scum pings from me since early game.

oh, and i'm not pulling #385 out of my ass. bugspray has used progressive activist pressure to advance in the game before.
see here when i was their partner before. the tactic was they would call me out for misgendering so we can have negative scum equity.

also, bugspray does gotcha moves as scum. he did that against boy from norway.

not really seeing them trying to solve the game, as well.

[chavela]

and i just don't see how you view all of that as,

'oh that makes chavela likely scum!'

[humaneatingmonkey]

i am offered a trust and others treat me as town so i can just play as town and am no longer subject to some/most of the things currently frustrating me

so is being scumread frustrating you? how so?

[chavela]

i am offered a trust and others treat me as town so i can just play as town and am no longer subject to some/most of the things currently frustrating me

so is being scumread frustrating you? how so?

...

because one of you hasn't read any of my posts

and the other has not given any reason for this read beyond 'is within your scumrange' and now, 'is frustrated' while also seemingly has been trying to say 'don't trust her' the entire game