Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

[chavela]

like how would that not be frustrating for you? and why would town!you never have any intention of working with me in the entire game?

[chavela]

like how would that not be frustrating for you?

* for me

[humaneatingmonkey]

how does being scumread stop your goal of staying in the game for longer and solving the game?

[chavela]

and why would town!you never have any intention of working with me in the entire game?

like it is really hard for me to see how town!you would think i am such a threat as scum that you would give no consideration to me being town

when you've previously stated you think i can be a useful town player

like it doesn't make a lot of sense to me

[humaneatingmonkey]

like how would that not be frustrating for you? and why would town!you never have any intention of working with me in the entire game?

i'm working with you right now.

[Enchant]

b) i am offered a trust and others treat me as town so i can just play as town and am no longer subject to some/most of the things currently frustrating me

That's why you fail.

[chavela]

how does being scumread stop your goal of staying in the game for longer and solving the game?

because i become less useful when i am frustrated?

and! it becomes less enjoyable for me

when i am frustrated?

like i said when i said maybe i just find a town

[humaneatingmonkey]

well, mafia is a very frustrating game. the scummy thing for me is you are bothered by not being scumread when it in fact does not really go against your stated vision of how to solve this game. that you intend to stay, and that you intend to solve without mechanical action.

[humaneatingmonkey]

bothered by being scumread

[chavela]

well it's not scummy because i am town

and i think it's very scummy the way you've pushed me here as it's entire purpose felt like you inventing a reason to scumread me

[humaneatingmonkey]

so lets go back to the game and agree to disagree that you're scum (the game isn't about eliminating scum anyway, it's about avoiding scum pairs)

your intention right now is to be trusted and mechanically confirmed so that you can continue to solve this game unscathed by blasphemous accusations that you're scum? and this is the only way to do it otherwise you'll be frustrated?

[humaneatingmonkey]

alternatively, you want to pair up as soon as possible because you feel like you're not useful to this game anymore — right?

[humaneatingmonkey]

tell me if that misrepresents anything.

[chavela]

your intention right now is to be trusted and mechanically confirmed so that you can continue to solve this game unscathed by blasphemous accusations that you're scum? and this is the only way to do it otherwise you'll be frustrated?

nah probably just going to try to find a town and if that town then doesn't think i am town so be it

shrug

like this doesn't even feel like a fair representation of anything i've said to me

[chavela]

alternatively, you want to pair up as soon as possible because you feel like you're not useful to this game anymore — right?

it's like,

if i find a town and just pair,

it's only bad if

a) i would otherwise be able to help with pairing towns by remaining in the game

or

b) the town i find is in fact not a town

[chavela]

right, so mostly i just have to make sure they're actually town

[Enchant]

alternatively, you want to pair up as soon as possible because you feel like you're not useful to this game anymore — right?

a) i would otherwise be able to help with pairing towns by remaining in the game

Of course, good idea.

Why not all townies do that?
Oh, right.

[chavela]

tell me if that misrepresents anything.

like i am not simply 'frustrated by being scumread'

you know that obviously

[humaneatingmonkey]

no i dont. i'm telling it this way because that's how it comes across to me and maybe you can let me know why it isn't a fair representation.

[chavela]

alternatively, you want to pair up as soon as possible because you feel like you're not useful to this game anymore — right?

a) i would otherwise be able to help with pairing towns by remaining in the game

Of course, good idea.

Why not all townies do that?
Oh, right.

i will try to explain

i know i am town right

so if there are players i am 90 75 65 55 45 % confident in being town

and i pair right now with the 90

then i am removing the 100 and the 90 from the game

with the hope that the other towns will find eachother

but if the 90 and the 75 pair

then we have another 4 days and additional information for making more pairings, increases percentages, and the 100% to me is still in the game

so if i am at a point where i feel useful to game, then staying is good,

[chavela]

no i dont. i'm telling it this way because that's how it comes across to me and maybe you can let me know why it isn't a fair representation.

because you didn't even explain why you were scumreading me until long after i became frustrated and your interaction with me felt like the sole purpose was to scumread me not to sort me

and andante is scumreading me without reading my posts

like how is 'oh you're simply frustrated because you're being scumread' even possibly a fair representation of that

[chavela]

alternatively, you want to pair up as soon as possible because you feel like you're not useful to this game anymore — right?

a) i would otherwise be able to help with pairing towns by remaining in the game

Of course, good idea.

Why not all townies do that?
Oh, right.

i will try to explain

i know i am town right

so if there are players i am 90 75 65 55 45 % confident in being town

and i pair right now with the 90

then i am removing the 100 and the 90 from the game

with the hope that the other towns will find eachother

but if the 90 and the 75 pair

then we have another 4 days and additional information for making more pairings, increases percentages, and the 100% to me is still in the game

so if i am at a point where i feel useful to game, then staying is good,

right because to maximize chance from my perspective would be to find two town/town pairings and then pair with who i felt was most likely town

not everyone can do that obviously but if i were feeling useful (which fair i am often not) then that would be optimal approach

[bugspray]

alright i hope this helps
HEAL: chevre
[/vote]chevre[/vote]

I trust chevre.

[bugspray]

typo'd one tag but it is 100% unambiguous

[Enchant]

WOW

Trusting In Trusting Game.

So scum.