Jackson and Toog are on CSF so CSF is town to meIn post 549, Greeting wrote:I can't tell the difference.In post 547, Dwlee99 wrote:Toog feels radically different from here
viewtopic.php?t=88618&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=GoToogeloofeels null to me.
Plus he's apparently scumreadingCat Scratch Feverwhom I'm also slightly scumreading so that's a plus for him.
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im late againOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Idk this is a bit of a trend with this game from what I'm seeing at the moment and I hate repeating myself too much, but I need you to explain this a lot further. What makes your point that it is scum utilizing momentum?In post 487, MegAzumarill wrote:I was thinking of Vanderscamp and wavemode.
Both reek of scum utilizing the momentum, but wavemodes seems less likely to come from town VOTE: Wavemode-
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1. It isn't. It was a joke role I made with Worst when I was still active here. It also came up in my brain because of memories of the previous bwg game where I fakeclaimed it to.bus Toog. Or are you selectively forgetting that game too?In post 548, MathBlade wrote:1. Unlikely. That’s too specific
2. Informed.
Even if I am tunnelled that isn’t because ego? This is a very weird path Jackson.
And I agree Dwlee Toog is more active as town.
2. Ever heard of occams razor? Nah u just wanna tunnel-
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Also it is in part ego as you still thibk ur solve is even remotely correct and forcibly making a path that ends in that false end resultIn post 548, MathBlade wrote:1. Unlikely. That’s too specific
2. Informed.
Even if I am tunnelled that isn’t because ego? This is a very weird path Jackson.
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I am going to put this in as much detail as I can possibly do so that you can understand why what you are doing is ego-tunnelling and that I feel this discussion is stupid as I do not think that resolving this with me dying is a bad thing either. I also am extremely frustrated with you completely ignoring every single thing I say that goes against your case, enough where I do feel you are scum to my entire core but I also know this read is up in the air because I tend to scum-read out of anger rather than out of actual logic. My death will also solve your role, and I trust others to solve you beyond that and I am not reliable emotionally enough to do so.
Day one you had a scum-read on momo, and if I recall correctly you believed them to be almost confirmed scum due to them actively deciding to not claim when they were placed onto E-1. While I was catching up, I voted who I currently thought was scum in which was the moment you started thinking I was scum alongside them for not having the same read as you. This was the start of where you are making reads based onto either complete ego, or you are scum trying to make cases on those without actual reason. The core of this read was flawed, not only because momo was evidently Town, but also I was not even finished catching up with the game which was obvious if you had any sense of the game-state regarding me specifically. When I tried to peacefully resolve this flawed read/assumption, you continuously decide toignorewhat I said. Continuously claiming that I had no reads etc, when I kept disproving that you chose to either actively ignore out of either ego, or out of scum trying to form an active negative reputation of myself, this was the moment where I started finding you repulsive but that's not part of the discussion.
From what I see, and feel free to inform me if this was not the case and why, these are your overall cases on me for being scum and why I think they are stupid in as simple terms as I can possibly do.
- I did not reciprocate the momo read when I was not even caught up to the moment where I even knew they were a serious wagon.
- I claimed a role similar to your own. You decide to immediately assume I am informed scum that is role-baiting. If you know the Occams Razor argument, you should probably know that forming an entire read based off of this is naive and prone to confirmation bias and tunnel-visioning. It takes the assumptions that I am scum as well as an informed role as well as informed specifically about your role and ballsy enough to openly bait a killing role into revealing themselves when I could get killed for doing so. It could be a perspective issue which I am failing to see because I do not know your exact role, or that I am only seeing you as either scum or stupid.
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Reason I am trying to convince you to not be stupid is because you are claiming a killing role and as it currently stands I think you are the worst possible person to have received that role, assuming you are actually what you claim and I want to minimise the damage that you do.-
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Have no reads? That’s just straight up untrue. It’s true that I have no confident reads, but I think anyone who does at this point in the game is just very confident by nature or lying.In post 499, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: Cat scratch nah this is scum. Voting a LHF, has no reads and then puts a retraction/safety net notice when they voted so they can get oit of a town flip easier.
I still dont like Greeting but I thini thats just their personality-
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Expand?In post 510, Toogeloo wrote:
I had a suspicion based on Day 1 activity. I don't not disagree with your reasoning though.In post 509, JacksonVirgo wrote:Do you reciprocate my reasoning at all though-
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It's obvious you have reads. I am referring to you having no scum-reads at all.In post 558, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Have no reads? That’s just straight up untrue. It’s true that I have no confident reads, but I think anyone who does at this point in the game is just very confident by nature or lying.In post 499, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: Cat scratch nah this is scum. Voting a LHF, has no reads and then puts a retraction/safety net notice when they voted so they can get oit of a town flip easier.
I still dont like Greeting but I thini thats just their personality-
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It's easy for scum to have town-reads, and harder to have scum-reads. That's why I see scum sitting on the fence a lot, afraid to make a move in fear of retaliation or backfire. Nothing you are doing is convincing me that this isn't the case.-
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Yeah this is reaching because vanders wasn’t voting anyone? So I wasn’t going to be building any wagons by sheeping his non-vote.In post 518, Greeting wrote:Note that Vanderscamp did not vote me, but Cat Scratch Fever used Vanderscamp's reasoning and then sheeped Malakittens into voting me. That's a great way to miseliminate town without bringing much attention to themselves.
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I have never seen someone's main playstyle for town being town-hunting outside of those purposefully doing so to make them unreadable via meta (as it is easy as anything to fake). It also opens you up to get pocketed super easily, like insanely easily.In post 562, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I have two people who I’ve demarcated as willing to vote out more than other, I’m just not very sure of them. I play by mostly town hunting and ordering my reads from town to scum and whoever is least towny just goes into the “will eliminate” pile.-
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Sheeping isn't. You are using them as a suspicion shield.In post 564, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Yeah this is reaching because vanders wasn’t voting anyone? So I wasn’t going to be building any wagons by sheeping his non-vote.In post 518, Greeting wrote:Note that Vanderscamp did not vote me, but Cat Scratch Fever used Vanderscamp's reasoning and then sheeped Malakittens into voting me. That's a great way to miseliminate town without bringing much attention to themselves.
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You literally have no scum-read of your own, like at all. Day 2 and the most you have is a scum-lean and the moment you vote on that you are incredibly hesitant enough to intend, whether it is purposeful or not, to put the blame on being wrong onto Mala.
As I have said, you are using them as a suspicion shield. You either have no backbone as a Town, or you are scum too afraid to put yourself out there. And I rarely ever see the former, in my four years of online mafia.-
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You don't. You have scum-leans on Greeting and dwlee as per 495. If you had a scum-read on either you wouldn't be as hesitant as you are. Either that or your read on them is so fake that you are afraid to put yourself out there.In post 569, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:you’re accusing me of having no scumreads when that isn’t the case.-
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This is also your post before stating your vote. Where is the scums. All I see is null-scums aka scum-leans, possibly even weaker.In post 493, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:oh well I'll post it anyway, since this game is so quiet.
Dwlee - scumreads toog and that's kind of it --->nullscum
Greeting - they seem to be pushing people for doing weird/bizarre things that are anti-town while ignoring the town things about them --->nullscum
JacksonVirgo - no idea. feels like he's given up but also feels like he doesn't care about dying. could be scum bravado but idk --->null
Malakittens - already talked about a bit earlier but also I think their reaction to being pushed reads as genuinely tilted rather than trying to emotionally manipulate --->townlean
Math - I believe their claim, and I also kind of don't think they would claim so early as scum --->town
MegA - Kind of want to say town just based on 277 --->nulltown
Strange - it's funny he called out me and some others for not contributing much to the game from given his ISO also doesn't have much AI in it, but that hypocrisy isn't necessarily scum indicative --->null
Toog - some people here want a Toog lim and I don't really have any reason to argue against it, but I also don't have confidence this will flip scum. I feel like town Toog can be kind of low effort and limbaity. --null
Vanders - we seem to be agreeing on Mala and Greeting, which normally wouldn't sway me much in one direction or another, but I need reads that are not null so I'll bump them up a bit. 446 is annoying logic but probably NAI given the 2012 join date. interested in why dwlee is town though. -->nulltown
wavemode - interested in why they think Toog and Greeting are town but otherwise not a whole lot else here --->null
Why lie-
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